Re: mupdf (was: xpdf removed from testing?)

2014-01-20 Thread Sebastian Ramacher 
On 2014-01-20 12:54:30, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:34 AM, Jens Oliver John  wrote:
> >> $ apt-cache show mupdf
> >> MuPDF is a lightweight PDF viewer and toolkit written in portable C.
> >> (...)
> >
> > The mupdf PDF reader is supposed to be minimal and makes on me the 
> > impression of
> > being more a reference implementation using the mupdf library.
> >
> > A more featureful but still light PDF reader, which is able to utilize 
> > mupdf as
> > the rendering backend, is zathura (in Debian) with the mupdf rendering 
> > backend
> > (not in Debian [1]).
> >
> > The zathura upstream is very lively and is constantly gaining features.
> >
> > It may be my personal perception, but the fidelity of the PDF rendering in 
> > mupdf
> > is *vastly* superior to xpdf and all the PDF readers (evince, okular ...) 
> > which
> > use libpoppler at this point, resulting in mupdf/libmupdf being AFIK the 
> > only
> > native and free PDF reader available for Linux with a rendering engine that 
> > can
> > rival the proprietary ones like acrobat (in quality, not feature parity).
> >
> > I therefore suggest packaging zathura with the zathura-pdf-mupdf plugin.
> 
> aka #731447

This is blocked by a proper fix for #617253. Ideally, mupdf would start
to provide a shared library (#719351) and commit to a somewhat stable
API. mupdf needs to get in a better shape before zathura-pdf-mupdf can
be packaged.

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Re: mupdf (was: xpdf removed from testing?)

2014-01-20 Thread Mathieu Malaterre 
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:34 AM, Jens Oliver John  wrote:
>> $ apt-cache show mupdf
>> MuPDF is a lightweight PDF viewer and toolkit written in portable C.
>> (...)
>
> The mupdf PDF reader is supposed to be minimal and makes on me the impression 
> of
> being more a reference implementation using the mupdf library.
>
> A more featureful but still light PDF reader, which is able to utilize mupdf 
> as
> the rendering backend, is zathura (in Debian) with the mupdf rendering backend
> (not in Debian [1]).
>
> The zathura upstream is very lively and is constantly gaining features.
>
> It may be my personal perception, but the fidelity of the PDF rendering in 
> mupdf
> is *vastly* superior to xpdf and all the PDF readers (evince, okular ...) 
> which
> use libpoppler at this point, resulting in mupdf/libmupdf being AFIK the only
> native and free PDF reader available for Linux with a rendering engine that 
> can
> rival the proprietary ones like acrobat (in quality, not feature parity).
>
> I therefore suggest packaging zathura with the zathura-pdf-mupdf plugin.

aka #731447


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Re: mupdf (was: xpdf removed from testing?)

2014-01-19 Thread Jens Oliver John 
> $ apt-cache show mupdf
> MuPDF is a lightweight PDF viewer and toolkit written in portable C.
> (...)

The mupdf PDF reader is supposed to be minimal and makes on me the impression of
being more a reference implementation using the mupdf library.

A more featureful but still light PDF reader, which is able to utilize mupdf as
the rendering backend, is zathura (in Debian) with the mupdf rendering backend
(not in Debian [1]).

The zathura upstream is very lively and is constantly gaining features.

It may be my personal perception, but the fidelity of the PDF rendering in mupdf
is *vastly* superior to xpdf and all the PDF readers (evince, okular ...) which
use libpoppler at this point, resulting in mupdf/libmupdf being AFIK the only
native and free PDF reader available for Linux with a rendering engine that can
rival the proprietary ones like acrobat (in quality, not feature parity).

I therefore suggest packaging zathura with the zathura-pdf-mupdf plugin.

Regards,
Jens.

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On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 12:39:24AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2014-01-13 10:43:50 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > While someone could fix the package, you may want to consider not doing
> > so.  After running into endless bugs in xpdf, I personally switched to
> > mupdf for a light-weight PDF reader and found it superior in every respect
> > except for the fact that it doesn't, so far as I can tell, support
> > printing.  So I use mupdf to view PDF documents, and on the rare occasion
> > that I want to print one, I open it in gv (which I find clunkier, but
> > which generally works fine and prints).
> 
> I've just had a look at it, and found that it misses some important
> features present in xpdf, e.g.
> * PDF bookmarks.
> * Permament fit page (i.e. when one resizes the window or with the
>   fullscreen toggle), and BTW, one has to try both W and H.
> * Copy with the left button (the right button is hardly usable with
>   a trackpad for dragging).
> 
> So, it can't be seen as a good replacement for xpdf. Other PDF viewers
> have their own drawbacks as well.
> 
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Re: mupdf (was: xpdf removed from testing?)

2014-01-19 Thread Marco d'Itri 
On Jan 20, Vincent Lefevre  wrote:

> I've just had a look at it, and found that it misses some important
> features present in xpdf, e.g.
Let me add:
* an higher zoom level

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mupdf (was: xpdf removed from testing?)

2014-01-19 Thread Vincent Lefevre 
On 2014-01-13 10:43:50 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> While someone could fix the package, you may want to consider not doing
> so.  After running into endless bugs in xpdf, I personally switched to
> mupdf for a light-weight PDF reader and found it superior in every respect
> except for the fact that it doesn't, so far as I can tell, support
> printing.  So I use mupdf to view PDF documents, and on the rare occasion
> that I want to print one, I open it in gv (which I find clunkier, but
> which generally works fine and prints).

I've just had a look at it, and found that it misses some important
features present in xpdf, e.g.
* PDF bookmarks.
* Permament fit page (i.e. when one resizes the window or with the
  fullscreen toggle), and BTW, one has to try both W and H.
* Copy with the left button (the right button is hardly usable with
  a trackpad for dragging).

So, it can't be seen as a good replacement for xpdf. Other PDF viewers
have their own drawbacks as well.

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Re: mupdf (Was: xpdf removed from testing?)

2014-01-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU 
On Ma, 14 ian 14, 08:50:29, Andreas Tille wrote:
> window.  Not sure whether this is a bug or a feature - but for
> presentations ist seems I need to stick to evince.

Check out pdf-presenter-console or zathura (if you you don't mind the
vim-style interface).

Kind regards,
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Re: mupdf (Was: xpdf removed from testing?)

2014-01-14 Thread Dominik George 
>I also read this (I love that short docs) but there is a very thick
>remaining gray frame - it seems the scaling is done only by integer
>numbers which is for sure quick but the result is not what I want.

Hmm. I cannot reproduce that, sorry!

-nik 


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Re: mupdf (Was: xpdf removed from testing?)

2014-01-14 Thread Andreas Tille 
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 09:13:36AM +0100, Dominik George wrote:
> >  I would love to have it *real* fullscreen
> >since
> >
> >   f  Toggles fullscreen mode.
> >
> >... but the rendered PDF remains in a small section in the middle of
> >the
> >window.  Not sure whether this is a bug or a feature - but for
> >presentations ist seems I need to stick to evince.
> 
> Or you continue reading the docs until you have reached the end.
> 
> f sets the window to.fullscreen mode.
> 
> H (Shift-H, mind you) fits the document to the screen height.

I also read this (I love that short docs) but there is a very thick
remaining gray frame - it seems the scaling is done only by integer
numbers which is for sure quick but the result is not what I want.
 
Kind regards

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Re: mupdf (Was: xpdf removed from testing?)

2014-01-14 Thread Dominik George 
>  I would love to have it *real* fullscreen
>since
>
>   f  Toggles fullscreen mode.
>
>... but the rendered PDF remains in a small section in the middle of
>the
>window.  Not sure whether this is a bug or a feature - but for
>presentations ist seems I need to stick to evince.

Or you continue reading the docs until you have reached the end.

f sets the window to.fullscreen mode.

H (Shift-H, mind you) fits the document to the screen height.

I always use mupdf for presentations and it works just great!

-nik


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mupdf (Was: xpdf removed from testing?)

2014-01-13 Thread Andreas Tille 
Hi Russ,

On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:43:50AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> While someone could fix the package, you may want to consider not doing
> so.  After running into endless bugs in xpdf, I personally switched to
> mupdf for a light-weight PDF reader and found it superior in every respect
> except for the fact that it doesn't, so far as I can tell, support
> printing.  So I use mupdf to view PDF documents, and on the rare occasion
> that I want to print one, I open it in gv (which I find clunkier, but
> which generally works fine and prints).

Nice hint, pretty quick.  However, from my perspective who uses LaTeX
beamer frequently it would be great if the promise of the manual

   p  Toggle presentation mode.

would do what I expect it to do.  It seems it just adds some delayed
shading / smoothing effect.  I would love to have it *real* fullscreen
since

   f  Toggles fullscreen mode.

... but the rendered PDF remains in a small section in the middle of the
window.  Not sure whether this is a bug or a feature - but for
presentations ist seems I need to stick to evince.

Kind regards

   Andreas.

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