Steve McIntyre left as an exercise for the reader:
> 100% true - expect people are busy, rather than hostile! :-)
i must have come across as far more disappointed than i felt --
i meant "hoped" in the literal sense, of "did not expect, but
thought plausible and welcome" =]. no, this has been an
Hi Nick!
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 12:47:11PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
>Hi nick,
>
>[ cc += debian-boot@ ]
>
>nick black (2021-09-27):
>> Marc Haber left as an exercise for the reader:
>> > But maybe an alternative? I find the partitioning step one of the
>> > most error-prone and hard-to-use
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 12:22:18PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 9/28/21 12:13, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > IOW, chill out, nobody's going to kill off partman unless there's
> > something that's *actually* better than partman.
>
> Just some comments after reading after this [1]
Wouter Verhelst left as an exercise for the reader:
> iSCSI works very differently and is way more complex, but I remember
> from when I last played with it (which is a while ago, so the details
> are hazy) that it's not possible to set up in a non-persistent manner
> (i.e., all iSCSI connections
Hi nick,
[ cc += debian-boot@ ]
nick black (2021-09-27):
> Marc Haber left as an exercise for the reader:
> > But maybe an alternative? I find the partitioning step one of the
> > most error-prone and hard-to-use parts of non-trivial Debian
> > installations.
>
> so overall, i've got to say
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 06:19:28AM -0400, nick black wrote:
> Wouter Verhelst left as an exercise for the reader:
> > One thing that partman does is "support plug-ins", to allow for
> > configuring block devices before being able to partition them, where
> > needed. This can be useful for iSCSI,
On 9/28/21 12:13, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> IOW, chill out, nobody's going to kill off partman unless there's
> something that's *actually* better than partman.
Just some comments after reading after this [1] because I honestly find it
unfair the way I am being cornered here.
First of all,
Wouter Verhelst left as an exercise for the reader:
> One thing that partman does is "support plug-ins", to allow for
> configuring block devices before being able to partition them, where
> needed. This can be useful for iSCSI, multipath, or (the one I care most
> about) NBD. I wrote a
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 03:18:48PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>
>
> > On Sep 27, 2021, at 2:25 PM, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> >
> > Even if that interpretation would work as an excuse to never do
> > anything, and I'm not really sure it does, this specification has been
> > published
Hi Nick,
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 06:25:03PM -0400, nick black wrote:
> Marc Haber left as an exercise for the reader:
> > But maybe an alternative? I find the partitioning step one of the most
> > error-prone and hard-to-use parts of non-trivial Debian installations.
>
> so overall, i've got to
Marc Haber left as an exercise for the reader:
> But maybe an alternative? I find the partitioning step one of the most
> error-prone and hard-to-use parts of non-trivial Debian installations.
so overall, i've got to say the feedback i heard here was a lot
more positive than i was expecting,
On 9/27/21 4:01 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Hello Nick!
On 9/26/21 16:29, Nick Black wrote:
I'd be delighted to support them -- as in, I am honestly eager
to add ATARI support; that sounds awesome -- I just need some
way to test the implementations, either via someone running it
on
On Sep 27, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Not for me, though. Debian has always followed the philosophy to be a
> universal
> operating system, which also meant that we can't (immediately) use all the new
> technologies and features that other distributions or upstream projects
> develop.
> On Sep 27, 2021, at 3:41 PM, Luca Boccassi wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2021-09-27 at 15:18 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>>
On Sep 27, 2021, at 2:25 PM, Luca Boccassi wrote:
>>>
>>> Even if that interpretation would work as an excuse to never do
>>> anything, and I'm not really
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 03:18:48PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Whether a tool that was developed new from scratch is automatically better is
> not a given. The burden of proof is on the person trying to introduce the new
> software, not on the people maintaining the current set of
On Mon, 2021-09-27 at 15:18 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>
> > On Sep 27, 2021, at 2:25 PM, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> >
> > Even if that interpretation would work as an excuse to never do
> > anything, and I'm not really sure it does, this specification has been
> > published in 2014
> On Sep 27, 2021, at 2:25 PM, Luca Boccassi wrote:
>
> Even if that interpretation would work as an excuse to never do
> anything, and I'm not really sure it does, this specification has been
> published in 2014 [0] so even by Debian standard it's old stuff.
That’s not what I said so.
On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 06:49:53PM -0400, Nick Black wrote:
> So the only ones covered by partman and not covered by growlight would be:
> amiga, atari, sun,
> and mac (if mac is not the same as APM). I don't see any difficulty in
> adding these four, so long
> as there's someone with an Amiga or
On Mon, 2021-09-27 at 13:06 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Hello!
>
> On 9/27/21 12:46, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > > Also, since parted is maintained by RedHat, I would expect that this
> > > feature
> > > would land in parted soon as well.
> > >
> > If the question is "why does X not
On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 10:50:35AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 01:41:18AM -0400, nick black wrote:
> > Marco d'Itri left as an exercise for the reader:
> > > And the preseeding syntax is as powerful as it is inconvenient.
>
> > > Implementing support for more partition
Hello!
On 9/27/21 12:46, Luca Boccassi wrote:
>> Also, since parted is maintained by RedHat, I would expect that this feature
>> would land in parted soon as well.
>>
> If the question is "why does X not use libparted", "does not support
> discoverable parts spec" is a good enough answer for me.
Hello Nick!
On 9/26/21 16:29, Nick Black wrote:
> I'd be delighted to support them -- as in, I am honestly eager
> to add ATARI support; that sounds awesome -- I just need some
> way to test the implementations, either via someone running it
> on the environment, or getting access to such a
On Sun, 2021-09-26 at 12:45 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Hello!
>
> On 9/26/21 12:40, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > Does libparted support the discoverable partitions spec?
>
> I'm not sure, this thread is the first time I have heard about discoverable
> partitions. I have read up first
On 26.09.21 10:50, Adam Borowski wrote:
My biggest worry personally (aside from the realpolitik of
getting this change through) regards the automated partitioning
language available through the preseed system. Trying to emulate
this bug-for-bug is a non-starter, I think, both from a
technical
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz left as an exercise for the reader:
> So, you are not using libparted then?
i am not.
> Yes, it is important as we're supporting these architectures in Debian Ports
> and I invested quite some time to get Atari partition support added [1],
> for example.
I'd be
On Sun, 26 Sept 2021 at 10:05, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
>
> Hello Nick!
>
> On 9/26/21 00:49, Nick Black wrote:
> > It supports MBR, GPT, and APM:
> >
> > https://github.com/dankamongmen/growlight/blob/master/src/ptable.c#L51-L123
> >
> > (sorry for the gmail-style top posting; i can't
Hello!
On 9/26/21 12:40, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> Does libparted support the discoverable partitions spec?
I'm not sure, this thread is the first time I have heard about discoverable
partitions. I have read up first what the motivations for these are and
how useful they would be for Debian.
Also,
Adam Borowski left as an exercise for the reader:
> I do have a different wish, though. Could you please purge any references
> to drivemakers' units (stuff like MiB = million bytes, which current
> partitioner maliciously[1] swaps around with proper MB of 1048576B)?
this really probably
Hello Nick!
On 9/26/21 00:49, Nick Black wrote:
> It supports MBR, GPT, and APM:
>
> https://github.com/dankamongmen/growlight/blob/master/src/ptable.c#L51-L123
>
> (sorry for the gmail-style top posting; i can't find your mail in my mbox
> for whatever reason)
>
> Any other partition schemes
On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 01:41:18AM -0400, nick black wrote:
> Marco d'Itri left as an exercise for the reader:
> > And the preseeding syntax is as powerful as it is inconvenient.
> > Implementing support for more partition formats, if missing, should be
> > rather easy.
> > But which ones do we
Marco d'Itri left as an exercise for the reader:
> On Sep 24, Marc Haber wrote:
>
> > But maybe an alternative? I find the partitioning step one of the most
> > error-prone and hard-to-use parts of non-trivial Debian installations.
> And the preseeding syntax is as powerful as it is
It supports MBR, GPT, and APM:
https://github.com/dankamongmen/growlight/blob/master/src/ptable.c#L51-L123
(sorry for the gmail-style top posting; i can't find your mail in my mbox
for whatever reason)
Any other partition schemes ought be trivial to add; they've not been added
yet
simply
On Sep 24, Marc Haber wrote:
> But maybe an alternative? I find the partitioning step one of the most
> error-prone and hard-to-use parts of non-trivial Debian installations.
And the preseeding syntax is as powerful as it is inconvenient.
I had not heard of growlight before yesterday, but from
On Thu, 23 Sep 2021 23:29:14 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
>If not, I don't think it would be a viable replacement for partman.
But maybe an alternative? I find the partitioning step one of the most
error-prone and hard-to-use parts of non-trivial Debian installations.
Greetings
Marc
Hello!
On 9/23/21 22:57, nick black wrote:
> I am just finishing up the implementation of Discoverable GPT
> Partitions [0] in my growlight tool, and it seems a good time to
> see if I can push this discussion [1] forward.
Does it support partition tables other than GPT, in particular all
of the
Hello there, debian-boot!
I am just finishing up the implementation of Discoverable GPT
Partitions [0] in my growlight tool, and it seems a good time to
see if I can push this discussion [1] forward.
I'd like to sound out especially the d-i shareholders on
replacement of partman with growlight.
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