Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-12 Thread Andrea Mennucc
I approve Drew Parsons wrote: I remember some of us belatedly suggested sarge should be Debian 4.0, though it was too late (May?) to accept that. (it was me) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-12 Thread Andrea Mennucc
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: On 20050708T181259-0400, Johan Kullstam wrote: What signal is meant by 3.1 versus 4.0? Does your intended audience have any concept of the distinction? The usual distinction, when it is made, is that bumping the major number indicates a disruptive upgrade

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-12 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 7/12/05, Andrea Mennucc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: On 20050708T181259-0400, Johan Kullstam wrote: What signal is meant by 3.1 versus 4.0? Does your intended audience have any concept of the distinction? The usual distinction, when it is made, is that

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-10 Thread Nathanael Nerode
I suggested Debian IV, to *really* get rid of minor version numbers, permanently. Initial release would be Debian IV r0. Point releases would be Debian IV r1, etc. Next release, Debian V, etc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-10 Thread Thomas Hood
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:57:54 -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: I suggested Debian IV Are release numbers really needed? Why not do away with them altogether? -- Thomas Hood -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-10 Thread Nigel Jones
On 10/07/05, Thomas Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:57:54 -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: I suggested Debian IV Are release numbers really needed? Why not do away with them altogether? -- Thomas Hood you mean, just stick with code names? That wouldn't exactly

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-10 Thread Remi Vanicat
Nigel Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 10/07/05, Thomas Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:57:54 -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: I suggested Debian IV Are release numbers really needed? Why not do away with them altogether? you mean, just stick with code names?

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-10 Thread Thomas Hood
Nigel Jones wrote: On 10/07/05, Thomas Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are release numbers really needed? Why not do away with them altogether? you mean, just stick with code names? That wouldn't exactly work, Debian's apt/dpkg basicly relies on release numbers, how else can it easily and

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-10 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Thomas Hood wrote: Are release numbers really needed? Why not do away with them altogether? There are some strange people in the world who consider toy names frivolous and not grown up. But they can be mollified with sober, professional release numbers. -- Jaldhar

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-10 Thread Thomas Hood
Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: There are some strange people in the world who consider toy names frivolous and not grown up. But they can be mollified with sober, professional release numbers. Another advantage is that numbers come in an order and thereby indicate which release came before which.

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-09 Thread Nigel Jones
On 08/07/05, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 11:57:25AM +1000, Drew Parsons wrote: I'm already seeing documentation referring to Debian 3.2 (etch). Where is this? It's certainly wrong for documentation to make assumptions about the release version number at

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-09 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, Nigel Jones wrote: On 08/07/05, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 11:57:25AM +1000, Drew Parsons wrote: I'm already seeing documentation referring to Debian 3.2 (etch). Where is this? It's certainly wrong for documentation to make

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-09 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20050708T181259-0400, Johan Kullstam wrote: I've never understood the .X distinction anyway. What signal is meant by 3.1 versus 4.0? Does your intended audience have any concept of the distinction? The usual distinction, when it is made, is that bumping the major number indicates a

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-08 Thread René van Bevern
On 8.07.05, Drew Parsons wrote: I'm already seeing documentation referring to Debian 3.2 (etch). Is this really what we want? It should be 3.14, followed by a 3.141 release. ;) René pgprBybtBBJri.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-08 Thread Adam Majer
Drew Parsons wrote: I suppose we should decide now if etch is going to be 3.2 or 4.0. Given the ABI change with gcc-4.0 and the introduction of X.org, it seems to me we have ample justification to introduce Debian 4.0. We had an ABI change with Sarge as well. Also, there is not that much

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-08 Thread Bryan Gruneberg
Why not skip 4 all together and go straight to ... Debian 2006 ( it can be released in 2008 though) jokes ;-) Bryan On Friday 08 July 2005 09:15, René van Bevern wrote: On 8.07.05, Drew Parsons wrote: I'm already seeing documentation referring to Debian 3.2 (etch). Is this really what

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-08 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Drew Parsons] I remember some of us belatedly suggested sarge should be Debian 4.0, though it was too late (May?) to accept that. I suppose we should decide now if etch is going to be 3.2 or 4.0. First of all, it was not only too late, the talk would have been pointless anyway, like it is

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-08 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 11:57:25AM +1000, Drew Parsons wrote: I'm already seeing documentation referring to Debian 3.2 (etch). Where is this? It's certainly wrong for documentation to make assumptions about the release version number at this point, and is the kind of thing that makes it harder

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-08 Thread David Moreno Garza
On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 09:19 +0200, Bryan Gruneberg wrote: Debian 2006 ( it can be released in 2008 though) Debian 2006.0 :P -- David Moreno Garza [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.damog.net/ If you want to make God laugh, tell him your future plans. GPG: C671257D - 6EF6 C284 C95D 78F6 0B78

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 10:15:27PM -0700, Philippe Troin wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 11:57:25AM +1000, Drew Parsons wrote: I'm already seeing documentation referring to Debian 3.2 (etch). Is this really what we want? I remember

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-08 Thread Thomas Hood
If Debian continues to use the Release When Ready strategy then I would suggest that the number of the next release be its ordinal in the historical sequence of releases, which is 9 by my reckoning (buzz, rex, bo, hamm, slink, potato, woody, sarge, etch). I see no basis for distinguishing some

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-08 Thread Drew Parsons
Steve the deconstructionist wrote: I'm already seeing documentation referring to Debian 3.2 (etch). Where is this? It's certainly wrong for documentation to make assumptions about the release version number at this point, and is the kind of thing that makes it harder to change later. It

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-08 Thread Joey Hess
Drew Parsons wrote: It was the latest README in the new gcc-defaults. I imagine they weren't trying to be presumptuous but were just using it as a place holder. The document itself says it's not fully updated yet. One way or another, it'll have to be changed to something. Maybe they'll get it

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-08 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 04:16:01PM +0200, Thomas Hood wrote: If Debian simply _must_ have decimal points in its release numbers then I'd suggest replacing the 'r' in update version numbers with '.'. Thus 9.1 would be the number of the first etch update. As I remember, the original reason for

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Philippe Troin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 11:57:25AM +1000, Drew Parsons wrote: I'm already seeing documentation referring to Debian 3.2 (etch). Is this really what we want? I remember some of us belatedly suggested

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-08 Thread Josh Lauricha
On Fri 07/08/05 09:19, Bryan Gruneberg wrote: jokes ;-) Bryan I think they should be versioned by the first number said by the character their named after... so buzz should have been 4 -- -- | Josh Lauricha| Ford, you're

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-08 Thread Johan Kullstam
Drew Parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm already seeing documentation referring to Debian 3.2 (etch). Is this really what we want? I remember some of us belatedly suggested sarge should be Debian 4.0, though it was too late (May?) to accept that. I suppose we should decide now if etch

should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-07 Thread Drew Parsons
I'm already seeing documentation referring to Debian 3.2 (etch). Is this really what we want? I remember some of us belatedly suggested sarge should be Debian 4.0, though it was too late (May?) to accept that. I suppose we should decide now if etch is going to be 3.2 or 4.0. Given the ABI

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-07 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 11:57:25AM +1000, Drew Parsons wrote: I'm already seeing documentation referring to Debian 3.2 (etch). Is this really what we want? I remember some of us belatedly suggested sarge should be Debian 4.0, though it was too late (May?) to accept that. I suppose we

Re: should etch be Debian 4.0 ?

2005-07-07 Thread Philippe Troin
Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 11:57:25AM +1000, Drew Parsons wrote: I'm already seeing documentation referring to Debian 3.2 (etch). Is this really what we want? I remember some of us belatedly suggested sarge should be Debian 4.0, though it was