Re: spam from bugs.debian.org
Am 2007-05-07 13:13:59, schrieb Wouter Verhelst: On Sun, May 06, 2007 at 11:13:50AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: I don't know how much this helps, but wouldn't it be good to more actively *recommend* the posters to subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Something like a monthly reminder sent over all lists or similar. Next spammers will go ahead and whitelist themselves, too. I am subscribed on [EMAIL PROTECTED] but what I like to see is if the the whitlisting can only be done, if someone whitelist with a valid GPG signed message. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: spam from bugs.debian.org
Andrei Popescu: Next spammers will go ahead and whitelist themselves, too. Then what is the purpose of [EMAIL PROTECTED] The purpose is quite clear, the real question would be how whitelist@ manages suscribing, whitelisting. Is this only by been suscribed? Or does some other policy apply? -- David Moreno Garza [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.damog.net/ Todos quieren estar bien aunque se chinguen los demás. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam from bugs.debian.org
On Sun, May 06, 2007 at 11:13:50AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 05:01:36PM +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: I belive that a rate of 0.1% is quite an acceptable rate, but we permanently try to lower that. I don't know how much this helps, but wouldn't it be good to more actively *recommend* the posters to subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Something like a monthly reminder sent over all lists or similar. Next spammers will go ahead and whitelist themselves, too. -- Shaw's Principle: Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam from bugs.debian.org
On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 01:13:59PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: I don't know how much this helps, but wouldn't it be good to more actively *recommend* the posters to subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Something like a monthly reminder sent over all lists or similar. Next spammers will go ahead and whitelist themselves, too. Then what is the purpose of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: spam from bugs.debian.org
On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 01:13:59PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: I don't know how much this helps, but wouldn't it be good to more actively *recommend* the posters to subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Something like a monthly reminder sent over all lists or similar. Next spammers will go ahead and whitelist themselves, too. Then what's the purpose of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: spam from bugs.debian.org
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 05:01:36PM +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: I belive that a rate of 0.1% is quite an acceptable rate, but we permanently try to lower that. I don't know how much this helps, but wouldn't it be good to more actively *recommend* the posters to subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Something like a monthly reminder sent over all lists or similar. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: spam from bugs.debian.org
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Of late, I have been seeing a lot of spam from bugs.debian.org . I never got this many spam emails from BTS. Has something changed? Not really; it's just the continuing battle between spammers and Blars (and to a lesser extent, the rest of us with owner@ hats). Rules are put in place to block spam that gets through. [Just to give you an idea of how much spam we do block; every day the BTS discards around 4G of non-duplicate spam; I've no idea how much in total we ditch.] How does everyone deal with this (I mean other than filtering)? If anyone is doing a substantially better job of filtering than the bts is, let [EMAIL PROTECTED] know; but in general you should just see the few spammers who end up being successful. Don Armstrong -- Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard. -- Justice Roberts in 319 U.S. 624 (1943) http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam from bugs.debian.org
Hi, On Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 01:08:32 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Of late, I have been seeing a lot of spam from bugs.debian.org . I never got this many spam emails from BTS. Has something changed? Not really; it's just the continuing battle between spammers and Blars (and to a lesser extent, the rest of us with owner@ hats). Rules are put in place to block spam that gets through. [Just to give you an idea of how much spam we do block; every day the BTS discards around 4G of non-duplicate spam; I've no idea how much in total we ditch.] How does everyone deal with this (I mean other than filtering)? If anyone is doing a substantially better job of filtering than the bts is, let [EMAIL PROTECTED] know; but in general you should just see the few spammers who end up being successful. Same for lists.debian.org. Just to give an impression from yesterdays statistics: 94108 delivery attempts (incoming) 51598 messages received (in total) rest blocked by whatever RBL 10426 messages feed to spam search software rest already cought by static filtering 1523 messages tagged as no spam === ~1% of delivery attempts (incoming) is still send out to the lists If we now say, that out of these 1523 mails, ~150 mails are still spam, this makes a 0.1% rate of spam that is still deleivired to the lists. I belive that a rate of 0.1% is quite an acceptable rate, but we permanently try to lower that. Perhaps we should really propose a Day of No Spam-Filtering on lists.d.o. ;-) Greetings Martin -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] /root]# man real-life No manual entry for real-life -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam from bugs.debian.org
On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 17:01 +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: Perhaps we should really propose a Day of No Spam-Filtering on lists.d.o. ;-) Umm, is there enough BANDWIDTH ON THE ENTARWEB to support that? /me thinks not -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The technology that is Stronger, better, faster: Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: spam from bugs.debian.org
Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: How does everyone deal with this (I mean other than filtering)? If anyone is doing a substantially better job of filtering than the bts is, let [EMAIL PROTECTED] know; but in general you should just see the few spammers who end up being successful. I have been dealing with gcc's bugzilla, KDE's bugs.kde.org, mozilla's bug tracking system etc., I never ever received any spam messages from these bug tracking systems. The spam emails seem to come only from BTS. May be we can learn from them as to what they are doing (mandatory registration?) better. Same for lists.debian.org. Just to give an impression from yesterdays statistics: 94108 delivery attempts (incoming) 51598 messages received (in total) rest blocked by whatever RBL 10426 messages feed to spam search software rest already cought by static filtering 1523 messages tagged as no spam === ~1% of delivery attempts (incoming) is still send out to the lists If we now say, that out of these 1523 mails, ~150 mails are still spam, this makes a 0.1% rate of spam that is still deleivired to the lists. I am not saying the lists are not filtering spam emails. Of course they do and they do an excellent job at that. But as an end user, all I see is 1523 emails, 150 of them are spam == 10% spam emails from debian.org lists. May be a policy change is required here as well. I dont know what would be the correct way, but this method sure does seem inefficient and waste of resources. hth raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam from bugs.debian.org
On 25-Apr-07, 11:45 (CDT), Kamaraju S Kusumanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been dealing with gcc's bugzilla, KDE's bugs.kde.org, mozilla's bug tracking system etc., I never ever received any spam messages from these bug tracking systems. The spam emails seem to come only from BTS. May be we can learn from them as to what they are doing (mandatory registration?) better. I'd guess that Bugzilla's mandatory registration is why. OTOH, Bugzilla's mandatory is why I rarely report bugs for projects that use Bugzilla. I don't think making it harder for users to report problems is a good trade-off. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam from bugs.debian.org
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 12:45:06PM -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: I have been dealing with gcc's bugzilla, KDE's bugs.kde.org, mozilla's bug tracking system etc., I never ever received any spam messages from these bug tracking systems. The spam emails seem to come only from BTS. May be we can learn from them as to what they are doing (mandatory registration?) better. Unfortunately spammers seem to have learned how to register with bugzilla, lately. -- Daniel Jacobowitz CodeSourcery -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam from bugs.debian.org
Steve Greenland wrote: I'd guess that Bugzilla's mandatory registration is why. OTOH, Bugzilla's mandatory is why I rarely report bugs for projects that use Bugzilla. I don't think making it harder for users to report problems is a good trade-off. I totally agree on this. The easier we get our users to report bugs, the hardest we get releases 0:-) -- David Moreno Garza [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.damog.net/ Una vida sencilla para nada es aburrida. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam from bugs.debian.org
Qua, 2007-04-25 às 13:50 -0500, David Moreno Garza escreveu: Steve Greenland wrote: I'd guess that Bugzilla's mandatory registration is why. OTOH, Bugzilla's mandatory is why I rarely report bugs for projects that use Bugzilla. I don't think making it harder for users to report problems is a good trade-off. I totally agree on this. The easier we get our users to report bugs, the hardest we get releases 0:-) So let's put a better filter in bugs.d.o for it to randomly reject 50% of the accepted emails. Maybe b.d.o can block the people that send RC bugs ... those persons are rude ... send RC bugs elsewhere and don't spam BTS. -- David Moreno Garza [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.damog.net/ Una vida sencilla para nada es aburrida. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
spam from bugs.debian.org
Of late, I have been seeing a lot of spam from bugs.debian.org . I never got this many spam emails from BTS. Has something changed? How does everyone deal with this (I mean other than filtering)? hth raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam from bugs.debian.org
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 06:04, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Of late, I have been seeing a lot of spam from bugs.debian.org . I never got this many spam emails from BTS. Has something changed? How does everyone deal with this (I mean other than filtering)? Yes, both the admins of the BTS and the Debian Listmasters are pretty active in dealing with this. Filters have been added and if you check the mailing list archives, you will see that most of the spam messages have been deleted. The main problem is that these attacks were very focussed with a huge amount of messages in a short time. Cheers, Frans Pop Listmaster pgpowuZyaq7H8.pgp Description: PGP signature
