Re: systemd^wfoo on linux, bar on bsd,so what (Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-18 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 17 May 2013 13:42:30 +0200, Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote: On Freitag, 17. Mai 2013, Marc Haber wrote: We're going to have a TC decision or a GR about this anyway. why do you think so? Because I think that a decision of this magnitude should not be taken by a single

Re: systemd^wfoo on linux, bar on bsd,so what (Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-17 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 13 May 2013 02:31:02 +0200, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote: Maybe kfreebsd will do, but as I explained at FOSDEM I plan to make udev depend on either upstart or systemd. I would rather not be the one who will choose which one of them, so I hope that we will get to a consensus about

Re: systemd^wfoo on linux, bar on bsd,so what (Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-17 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Marc, On Freitag, 17. Mai 2013, Marc Haber wrote: We're going to have a TC decision or a GR about this anyway. why do you think so? cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: systemd^wfoo on linux, bar on bsd,so what (Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-13 Thread Roger Leigh
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 02:31:02AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On May 13, Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote: actually, while it has been brought up as a theoretical/wrong argument, that we cannot switch our linux installation ship with $this init system, while the kfreebsd

Re: systemd^wfoo on linux, bar on bsd,so what (Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-13 Thread Philip Hands
Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it writes: On May 13, Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote: actually, while it has been brought up as a theoretical/wrong argument, that we cannot switch our linux installation ship with $this init system, while the kfreebsd port uses $that init system, I'd

Re: systemd^wfoo on linux, bar on bsd,so what (Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-13 Thread gustavo panizzo gfa
On 2013-05-12 21:31, m...@linux.it wrote: Maybe kfreebsd will do, but as I explained at FOSDEM I plan to make udev depend on either upstart or systemd. do you have a link to a presentation, blog post, or whatever explaining the rationale behind this? i didn't found anything on FOSDEM

Re: systemd^wfoo on linux, bar on bsd,so what (Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-13 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 13, gustavo panizzo gfa g...@zumbi.com.ar wrote: On 2013-05-12 21:31, m...@linux.it wrote: Maybe kfreebsd will do, but as I explained at FOSDEM I plan to make udev depend on either upstart or systemd. do you have a link to a presentation, blog post, or whatever explaining the

Re: systemd^wfoo on linux, bar on bsd,so what (Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-13 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 13, Philip Hands p...@hands.com wrote: No matter what the technical merits, the inevitable flame war regarding copyright assignment seems very likely to render upstart a non-starter as an essential element of Debian. I think that this is a reasonable element to consider in our decision

Re: systemd^wfoo on linux, bar on bsd,so what (Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-13 Thread Philipp Kern
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 08:46:23AM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: There is no need for udev to be dependent upon a specific init system, other than laziness. Except if you want to receive device plug events as triggers to start up / shut down services. The separation then gets quite blurry with whom

Re: systemd^wfoo on linux, bar on bsd,so what (Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-13 Thread Игорь Пашев
2013/5/13 Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 08:46:23AM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: There is no need for udev to be dependent upon a specific init system, other than laziness. Except if you want to receive device plug events as triggers to start up / shut down services. The

Re: systemd^wfoo on linux, bar on bsd,so what (Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-13 Thread Игорь Пашев
2013/5/14 Игорь Пашев pashev.i...@gmail.com: 2013/5/13 Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 08:46:23AM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: There is no need for udev to be dependent upon a specific init system, other than laziness. Except if you want to receive device plug events as

systemd^wfoo on linux, bar on bsd,so what (Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-12 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Montag, 13. Mai 2013, Josselin Mouette wrote: I was all for kfreebsd when it was proposed, but now that it exists and nobody uses it, I am appalled at the idea of using it as an excuse to stop making improvements to the linux ports. actually, while it has been brought up as a

Re: systemd^wfoo on linux, bar on bsd,so what (Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-12 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 13, Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote: actually, while it has been brought up as a theoretical/wrong argument, that we cannot switch our linux installation ship with $this init system, while the kfreebsd port uses $that init system, I'd say nobody is seriously saying this