Re: tasksel: Default desktop: Gnome→Xfce

2012-08-06 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On Sun 05 Aug 2012 04:43:58 Christian PERRIER escribió: [snip] So, who will be hurt by dropping support for install with one CD? In theory, those people lost somewhere in a world of bad connectivity, where installs cannot really rely on a working network (I still remember a Debian installation

Re: tasksel: Default desktop: Gnome→Xfce

2012-08-05 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org): Well, 1 GB would be enough to hold a standard desktop installation, while 650 MB is not. That makes a difference. It will be hard to know whether dropping support for real CD installs does hurt some users or not, anyway. Those who will speak, in

Re: tasksel: Default desktop: Gnome→Xfce

2012-08-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 04 août 2012 à 00:24 +0200, Michael Biebl a écrit : I don't know about serious surveys, but flash drives are ubiquitous and have large storage. Some (many?) laptops don't have optical drives either. For D-I, I would pick the most common USB flash drive size (perhaps 2.0 GB) and

Re: tasksel: Default desktop: Gnome→Xfce

2012-08-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 03 août 2012 à 23:28 +0200, Michael Biebl a écrit : And in wheezy+1(or 2,...), when XFCE has outgrown CD1, we switch to E17, or whatever the tasksel maintainers prefer at that time. Sounds like a great plan to base our default desktop on the size of a CD or the mood of a single

Re: tasksel: Default desktop: Gnome→Xfce

2012-08-04 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org (04/08/2012): This is for example why we still don’t have tmpfs by default. Your example is wrong. On a freshly-installed system: tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,size=161324k) Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: tasksel: Default desktop: Gnome→Xfce

2012-08-04 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 12:18:45PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org (04/08/2012): This is for example why we still don’t have tmpfs by default. Your example is wrong. On a freshly-installed system: tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs

Re: tasksel: Default desktop: Gnome→Xfce

2012-08-04 Thread Steve McIntyre
Joss wrote: Le samedi 04 août 2012 à 00:24 +0200, Michael Biebl a écrit : I don't know about serious surveys, but flash drives are ubiquitous and have large storage. Some (many?) laptops don't have optical drives either. For D-I, I would pick the most common USB flash drive size

Re: tasksel: Default desktop: Gnome→Xfce

2012-08-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 04 août 2012 à 15:06 +0100, Steve McIntyre a écrit : We don't *yet*. The code is there (as mentioned in the DebConf BoF), but I've not yet seen a consensus over exactly what people want. Currently, I'm thinking an extra 2GB image would be useful. We *do* already have a 4GB image (the

tasksel: Default desktop: Gnome→Xfce (was: How to proceed with switching packages on first CDs to xz?)

2012-08-03 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Hello, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org (03/08/2012): I was wondering how to proceed with switching packages on the first CDs to use xz compression. I have prepared a list of binary packages which would benefit the most from switching, see [1]. or we could just do nothing but reviewing the

Re: tasksel: Default desktop: Gnome→Xfce (was: How to proceed with switching packages on first CDs to xz?)

2012-08-03 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org writes: Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org (03/08/2012): I was wondering how to proceed with switching packages on the first CDs to use xz compression. I have prepared a list of binary packages which would benefit the most from switching, see [1]. or we

Re: tasksel: Default desktop: Gnome→Xfce

2012-08-03 Thread Michael Biebl
On 03.08.2012 21:06, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Hello, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org (03/08/2012): I was wondering how to proceed with switching packages on the first CDs to use xz compression. I have prepared a list of binary packages which would benefit the most from switching, see [1].

Re: tasksel: Default desktop: Gnome→Xfce

2012-08-03 Thread Arno Töll
Hi, On 03.08.2012 23:28, Michael Biebl wrote: Seriously, I'd just drop our CD1 installs and only provide a net-install image and a DVD image for desktop installations. Is there any serious survey how established DVD drives (and writers) are these days? CD images might be obsolete some day, but

Re: tasksel: Default desktop: Gnome→Xfce

2012-08-03 Thread Matt Zagrabelny
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Arno Töll a...@debian.org wrote: Hi, On 03.08.2012 23:28, Michael Biebl wrote: Seriously, I'd just drop our CD1 installs and only provide a net-install image and a DVD image for desktop installations. Is there any serious survey how established DVD drives

Re: tasksel: Default desktop: Gnome→Xfce

2012-08-03 Thread Michael Biebl
On 04.08.2012 00:03, Matt Zagrabelny wrote: On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Arno Töll a...@debian.org wrote: Hi, On 03.08.2012 23:28, Michael Biebl wrote: Seriously, I'd just drop our CD1 installs and only provide a net-install image and a DVD image for desktop installations. Is there any

Re: tasksel: Default desktop: Gnome→Xfce

2012-08-03 Thread Jamie White
On 03/08/2012 23:24, Michael Biebl wrote: On 04.08.2012 00:03, Matt Zagrabelny wrote: On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Arno Töll a...@debian.org wrote: Hi, On 03.08.2012 23:28, Michael Biebl wrote: Seriously, I'd just drop our CD1 installs and only provide a net-install image and a DVD image

Re: tasksel: Default desktop: Gnome→Xfce

2012-08-03 Thread 魏銘廷
IMHO, Package downloader for *offline* installation instead of full-desktop-featured CD images. And I think it could be good to build their own installation images using jigsaw (or downloads to their own hard drive) before offline installation. It also promotes the use of on-line installation and