On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 08:16:26PM +0200, Steven Post wrote:
Reading this I assume ia32-libs will be removed from Debian (with which
I completely agree btw), what about packages outside of Debian that
currently depend upon ia32-libs? To name a certain package: skype. Its
AMD64 package from the
On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 11:52:52 -0400 (EDT), Joey Hess wrote:
...
This bug is a textbook example of making the perfect the enemy of the good.
It's disconcerting that we, or our users, are willing to put up with this.
Unfortunately, this is not an isolated case. Another example is GNU parted.
I
On Thu, 07 Jun 2012, Stephen Powell wrote:
I'm not questioning anyone's competency, but parted is way out of
date; and no-one seems to be doing anything about it.
http://bugs.debian.org/646130 seems to indicate that the primary
reason why we haven't yet switched to a newer version is due to the
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 11:52:52AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
This bug is a textbook example of making the perfect the enemy of the
good. It's disconcerting that we, or our users, are willing to put up
with this.
I see what you mean and I absolutely agree with the general principle.
We have a
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 01:30:01PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
We are announcing our deferred uploads at least 10 days in advance
(unless RC) with git commit references, so Ove can review and/or
cancel/reject our work at any point. Thus, we haven't taken any of
his power away and it really
Simon McVittie s...@debian.org writes:
On 05/06/12 16:52, Joey Hess wrote:
This bug is a textbook example of making the perfect the enemy of
the good.
Yes, pretty much. On the bright side, multiarch and a modern Wine
version have both arrived (Wine 1.4 is admittedly only in experimental
On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 10:36:42AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 11:52:52AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
This bug is a textbook example of making the perfect the enemy of the
good. It's disconcerting that we, or our users, are willing to put up
with this.
May I bring
On 06/06/2012 04:23 AM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
Please don't spread incorrect information. The situation is by far not
the same (as in: it's *much* better now), and that is also thanks to the
discussion back then. -devel FTW, ... sometimes :-)
Cheers.
I can see it, and I'm very happy
On 06/06/2012 04:36 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
Even better, maintainers can prevent this kind of things from happening
by opening up *by default*, allowing commit to package maintenance Vcs
to all DDs, and documenting that commits there are welcome as long as
they follow some house rules.
Hi,
Please forgive me if this is the wrong place to ask (or if I'm
completely wrong here).
On Wed, 2012-06-06 at 11:15 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
[...]
Juppey. Thanks to all the workers and the NMUers that made this
possible.
Now if wine 1.4 enters unstable we are finaly ready to
On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 16:12:31 -0400, Michael Gilbert
mgilb...@debian.org wrote:
They are members of pkg-wine already, so I think they can make changes
that can improve the status but not limited to minimal changes for
NMU. If Mike don't want to hijack at least for now, team upload is
good
On Wed 06 Jun 2012 15:16:26 Steven Post escribió:
[snip]
Reading this I assume ia32-libs will be removed from Debian (with which
I completely agree btw), what about packages outside of Debian that
currently depend upon ia32-libs? To name a certain package: skype. Its
AMD64 package from the
On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 04:14:56PM -0300, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
wrote:
On Wed 06 Jun 2012 15:16:26 Steven Post escribió:
[snip]
Reading this I assume ia32-libs will be removed from Debian (with which
I completely agree btw), what about packages outside of Debian that
On 06.06.2012 20:08, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 06/06/2012 04:36 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
Even better, maintainers can prevent this kind of things from happening
by opening up *by default*, allowing commit to package maintenance Vcs
to all DDs, and documenting that commits there are welcome
Le Thu, Jun 07, 2012 at 02:08:40AM +0800, Thomas Goirand a écrit :
On 06/06/2012 04:36 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
Even better, maintainers can prevent this kind of things from happening
by opening up *by default*, allowing commit to package maintenance Vcs
to all DDs, and documenting
10 Jun 2010 a bug was filed wanting wine 1.2 packaged in time for squeeze.
12 Aug 2010 packages of 1.2 were available .. but not in Debian.
6 Feb 2011 squeeze shipped with the same wine version that shipped in lenny.
7 Mar 2012 wine 1.4 was released as the new upstream stable release
25 May
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Joey Hess wrote:
10 Jun 2010 a bug was filed wanting wine 1.2 packaged in time for squeeze.
12 Aug 2010 packages of 1.2 were available .. but not in Debian.
6 Feb 2011 squeeze shipped with the same wine version that shipped in lenny.
7 Mar 2012 wine 1.4
* Joey Hess (jo...@debian.org) [120605 17:53]:
I've read over this entire bug, and while there are clearly some hard
problems and a lot of good work shown here, I'm seeing a concerning
trend throughout it.
I think the issues are now getting way better, with e.g. hillu
uploading new wine
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 12:46:46PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
Not sure what to say other than when I became a DD and gained the
power to NMU, I started fixing this. Before that, Ove's contributor
rejections blocked myself and many other non-DDs from effectively
helping.
I would also be
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 12:46:46PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
Not sure what to say other than when I became a DD and gained the
power to NMU, I started fixing this. Before that, Ove's contributor
rejections blocked myself and many
(No CC, please, I'm subscribed to -devel)
Quoting Michael Gilbert (mgilb...@debian.org):
Anyway, we've had recent threads on the continuing issues with strong
package maintenance, and from what I can tell, there is no clear
direction. The solution I'm pursuing is a liberal application of
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Christian PERRIER wrote:
You mean, besides completely hijacking the package?
The last maintainer upload is dated 2010/05/23.
So, from my POV, you (Michael) and Hilko Bengen seem to be the real
package maintainers for wine.
My suggestion: do a maintainer
Andreas Barth wrote:
* Joey Hess (jo...@debian.org) [120605 17:53]:
I've read over this entire bug, and while there are clearly some hard
problems and a lot of good work shown here, I'm seeing a concerning
trend throughout it.
I think the issues are now getting way better, with e.g.
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 01:41:42PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
You mean, besides completely hijacking the package?
The last maintainer upload is dated 2010/05/23.
So, from my POV, you (Michael) and Hilko Bengen seem to be the real
package maintainers for wine.
My suggestion: do a
On 05/06/12 16:52, Joey Hess wrote:
This bug is a textbook example of making the perfect the enemy of
the good.
Yes, pretty much. On the bright side, multiarch and a modern Wine
version have both arrived (Wine 1.4 is admittedly only in experimental
right now, but I hope it'll reach testing
Hi Mike,
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 01:41:42PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Christian PERRIER wrote:
You mean, besides completely hijacking the package?
The last maintainer upload is dated 2010/05/23.
So, from my POV, you (Michael) and Hilko Bengen seem to
On 06/06/2012 01:41 AM, Michael Gilbert wrote:
And even then, I plan
to defer the matter to the tech committee
Please do this *now*. We've already discussed about Wine in this
list few months ago, and the situation is still the same. At some
point, we need to get things moving...
Thomas
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On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 3:56 AM, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote:
On 06/06/2012 01:41 AM, Michael Gilbert wrote:
And even then, I plan
to defer the matter to the tech committee
Please do this *now*. We've already discussed about Wine in this
list few months ago, and the situation is still
They are members of pkg-wine already, so I think they can make changes
that can improve the status but not limited to minimal changes for
NMU. If Mike don't want to hijack at least for now, team upload is
good enough.
Hopefully this will make some people happy: I pushed the first team
upload
On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 03:56:56AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
Please do this *now*. We've already discussed about Wine in this
list few months ago, and the situation is still the same. At some
point, we need to get things moving...
Please don't spread incorrect information. The situation is
On Mar 05 Jun 2012 17:12:31 Michael Gilbert escribió:
They are members of pkg-wine already, so I think they can make changes
that can improve the status but not limited to minimal changes for
NMU. If Mike don't want to hijack at least for now, team upload is
good enough.
Hopefully this
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