Re: seeking new maintainer: lilo

1999-01-30 Thread Vincent Renardias
On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: who would liek to take the lilo package over? There are a few pending bugs, most of the dealing with the lack of an intelligent install script (which should be included in the bootfloppies, too). I'll have a try at it unless nobody else really

Re: stupid stats (was Re: xfree86_3.3.2.3a-9 (source i386 all) uploaded to master)

1999-01-30 Thread Joey Hess
David Welton wrote: Well, often times, those packages are more complex than single binary packages. No way is epic as difficult to maintain as X, yet, if I'm not mistaken, they each have just one source package. It would be neat to do both stats, and then compare. I actually did the other

Re: i18n'g the Debian Menu System

1999-01-30 Thread Joey Hess
Have you looked at how the author of the package intended this to be handled? See /etc/menu-methods/translate-menus. An example from that file: #translate id-title # include /usr/lib/menus/LANGUAGE/finnish # menu/apps/editors TekstVeranderaars #endtranslate This can make translating the

Re: cron has gone to UTC time?

1999-01-30 Thread Brandon Mitchell
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Joey Hess wrote: Craig Sanders wrote: i've noticed this behaviour in the past, when xntp gets upgraded in the same dselect run as cron or sysklogd. I doubt this is it because I've experienced the problem on 2 machines; neither runs xntpd or any other time

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Mark W. Eichin
use -rpath /usr/lib for their programs. Just to make it clear, since I don't think this has come up yet, /usr/lib isn't the only problem -- /usr/X11R6/lib is as well (or was, at some point; I haven't looked at the upstream XFree86 Imake configuration recently, but it did use --rpath at one point

Re: cron has gone to UTC time?

1999-01-30 Thread Mark W. Eichin
to your cron file that does 'date' and 'date -u'? Set it to run more I haven't seen the problem yet myself, but throw in an env too... I've noted (in a bug report in regard to inetd) that doing apt-get upgrade with sudo or su with a full *user* environment often means that you end up with an

Re: Intent to package : xmem

1999-01-30 Thread Mark W. Eichin
I'm pretty sure xmem was in procps or xproc at one point, and got dropped because it wasn't being maintained upstream, or something like that...

Re: Seeking Helmut Geyer Helmut.Geyer@iwr.uni-heidelberg.de

1999-01-30 Thread Martin Mitchell
Daniel Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Helmut Geyer is listed as the maintainer for xxgdb and bzip - xxgdb hasn't had a maintainer upload since when bo was frozen, and bzip's last maintainer upload was longer ago than that. Mail sent to his listed address goes unanswered, but maybe that's

Re: LyX copyright

1999-01-30 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 03:18:18PM -0500, Shaleh wrote: I just learned that the LyX copyright file was corrected to explicitely state that linking against a non-free library is okay. This however wasn't really needed as 'The law is quite clear that the release of the software by the

Re: libtool rpath

1999-01-30 Thread Jim Pick
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A package I maintain uses libtool. To remove the rpath stuff, I apply this patch to configure.in. Actually, I sort of like the following technique better: Add the following to debian/rules right before calling $(MAKE) all (but after configure):

Re: What hack in ld.so?

1999-01-30 Thread Guy Maor
Buddha Buck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: does it know that libc5 and libc6 are incompatable versions of the same library (different sonames), or does it feel that loading two libraries (libfoo, libc6) is better than loading three (libfoo, libc5, libc6). It recognizes libc, libm, and libdl in

Re: [Fwd: [Jikes-License] Jikes Parser Generator now available i

1999-01-30 Thread Jim Pick
Brent Fulgham [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Try Japhar/Classpath: www.japhar.org -- free JDK (compiler, runtime, debugger, etc.) www.classpath.org -- free implementation of the essential java libraries Plus... www.transvirtual.com -- Kaffe JIT www.mozilla.org -- ElectricalFire JIT Cheers,

Re: /usr/lib/libgnomeui.so.0: undefined symbol: argp_program_version

1999-01-30 Thread Jim Pick
Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: /usr/lib/libgnomeui.so.0: undefined symbol: argp_program_version This happens with some of the GNOME based packages I've installed from both slink and potatoe lately... Any ideas what I'm missing or what I did??? You probably have mixed some of

Re: Call for mascot! :-)

1999-01-30 Thread Jim Pick
Ben Pfaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Bialasinski) writes: Hmm, with a strong enough improbability field, you will see dragons in the sky. Dragons and octopi in the sky are Somebody Else's Problem. Flying Octopi? Sounds like a Detroit Red Wings game...

Re: Getting Slink compatible with Linux-2.2.0

1999-01-30 Thread Guy Maor
Avery Pennarun [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Six orders of magnitude?? Bandwidth and latency are not the same thing. Guy

Re: /usr/lib/libgnomeui.so.0: undefined symbol: argp_program_version

1999-01-30 Thread Ivan E. Moore II
On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 12:07:29AM -0800, Jim Pick wrote: /usr/lib/libgnomeui.so.0: undefined symbol: argp_program_version You probably have mixed some of the 0.99.x packages and the 0.30 packages. ---end quoted text--- yup..after digging and playing I found out that some of the programs I

Re: seeking new maintainer: lilo

1999-01-30 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 12:35:31AM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: Hello, who would liek to take the lilo package over? There are a few pending bugs, most of the dealing with the lack of an intelligent install script (which should be included in the bootfloppies, too). I wouldn't mind

Re: gnuserv/gnuclient problem

1999-01-30 Thread Jim Pick
Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, January 29 1999, Ionutz Borcoman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wro te: |Hi, | |Is the gnuclient/gnuserv broken in XEmacs ? Using the latest versions |from potato I am no more able to start a gnuclient :-( Is anybody else |experiencing this ? I've

Re: LyX copyright

1999-01-30 Thread Michael Meskes
On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 03:18:18PM -0500, Shaleh wrote: That allows it to live in contrib -- woopie. Until they have a non forms based GUI, it matters little. But noone will ask for the removal of LyX anymore. Michael -- Michael Meskes | Go SF 49ers! Th.-Heuss-Str.

Conflicts in libgtk*-dev

1999-01-30 Thread Ole J. Tetlie
Am I overlooking something obvious here? libgtk1.1.13-dev provides libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev but libgtk1.1-dev conflicts with libgtk-dev this means that gnome-apt refuses to install libgtk1.1.13-dev, a package that I sorely need. Aren't these relationships somewhat odd. -- Eschew

Re: Conflicts in libgtk*-dev

1999-01-30 Thread Jules Bean
On 30 Jan 1999, Ole J. Tetlie wrote: Am I overlooking something obvious here? libgtk1.1.13-dev provides libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev but libgtk1.1-dev conflicts with libgtk-dev this means that gnome-apt refuses to install libgtk1.1.13-dev, a package that I sorely need. Aren't these

Re: /usr/lib/apt/methods/http - close(-1)

1999-01-30 Thread rjk
Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is a close(-1) supposed to do? The http program does one and I'm curious as to why... It usually means someone isn't checking the return value from open/socket/etc... -- http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

Re: Conflicts in libgtk*-dev

1999-01-30 Thread Ole J. Tetlie
*-Jules Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | On 30 Jan 1999, Ole J. Tetlie wrote: | | Am I overlooking something obvious here? | | libgtk1.1.13-dev provides libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev | | but | | libgtk1.1-dev conflicts with libgtk-dev | | this means that gnome-apt refuses to install

Re: Conflicts in libgtk*-dev

1999-01-30 Thread Jules Bean
On 30 Jan 1999, Ole J. Tetlie wrote: *-Jules Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | On 30 Jan 1999, Ole J. Tetlie wrote: | | Am I overlooking something obvious here? | | libgtk1.1.13-dev provides libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev | | but | | libgtk1.1-dev conflicts with libgtk-dev | |

Re: Conflicts in libgtk*-dev

1999-01-30 Thread Ole J. Tetlie
*-Jules Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | The fact that the *actual* libgtk1.1-dev package conflicts with | libgtk-dev, does not mean that the package libgtk1.13-dev, which provides | libgtk1.1-dev, must conflict with libgtk-dev. | | Or, in the abstract: | | If A conflicts with B, and C provides A,

Re: Conflicts in libgtk*-dev

1999-01-30 Thread Jules Bean
On 30 Jan 1999, Ole J. Tetlie wrote: *-Jules Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | The fact that the *actual* libgtk1.1-dev package conflicts with | libgtk-dev, does not mean that the package libgtk1.13-dev, which provides | libgtk1.1-dev, must conflict with libgtk-dev. | | Or, in the abstract: |

Re: Call for mascot! :-)

1999-01-30 Thread Stig Sandbeck Mathisen
* Chris Waters (Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 10:14:15AM -0800) 1. Dragon Aye! -- SSM - Stig Sandbeck Mathisen Trust the Computer, the Computer is your Friend pgpBVRhU7iSbR.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: libtool rpath

1999-01-30 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 11:39:27PM -0800, Jim Pick wrote: Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A package I maintain uses libtool. To remove the rpath stuff, I apply this patch to configure.in. Actually, I sort of like the following technique better: [...] That way, there is no need

suggestion: www.debian.org package list show the URL of the program

1999-01-30 Thread Shaleh
how hard would it be to have the Packages pages on the Debian web site show the packages home URL, i.e. where the author is? A few times I have been hunting for this because I needed a bsd or Sun version of a program. Downloading the orig.tar.gz and looking inside can be cumbersome.

Re: suggestion: www.debian.org package list show the URL of the program

1999-01-30 Thread Johnie Ingram
Shaleh == Shaleh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shaleh how hard would it be to have the Packages pages on the Debian Shaleh web site show the packages home URL, i.e. where the author is? Shaleh A few times I have been hunting for this because I needed a Shaleh bsd or Sun version of a program.

Re: suggestion: www.debian.org package list show the URL of the program

1999-01-30 Thread Ben Pfaff
Shaleh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: how hard would it be to have the Packages pages on the Debian web site show the packages home URL, i.e. where the author is? A few times I have been hunting for this because I needed a bsd or Sun version of a program. Downloading the orig.tar.gz and

Re: suggestion: www.debian.org package list show the URL of the

1999-01-30 Thread Shaleh
On 30-Jan-99 Johnie Ingram wrote: Shaleh == Shaleh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shaleh how hard would it be to have the Packages pages on the Debian Shaleh web site show the packages home URL, i.e. where the author is? Shaleh A few times I have been hunting for this because I needed a

Re: gnuserv/gnuclient problem

1999-01-30 Thread Frozen Rose
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ionutz Borcoman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the gnuclient/gnuserv broken in XEmacs ? Using the latest versions from potato I am no more able to start a gnuclient :-( Is anybody else experiencing this ? There have been various problems reported with

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Martin Mitchell
Enrique Zanardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jan 31, 1999 at 12:21:00AM +1100, Martin Mitchell wrote: Adam Di Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Package: dpkg Version: 1.4.0.31 Severity: important Please remove the following methods (based on disk): harddisk

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Sun, Jan 31, 1999 at 02:21:38AM +1100, Martin Mitchell wrote: Enrique Zanardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jan 31, 1999 at 12:21:00AM +1100, Martin Mitchell wrote: I strongly object to removing all of those except cdrom. I don't find apt adequate for my needs at this stage.

RE: suggestion: www.debian.org package list show the URL of the

1999-01-30 Thread Shaleh
D'uh. The copyright file is one of those itsy bitsy links on the lower left. On 30-Jan-99 Shaleh wrote: how hard would it be to have the Packages pages on the Debian web site show the packages home URL, i.e. where the author is? A few times I have been hunting for this because I needed a

Re: suggestion: www.debian.org package list show the URL of the program

1999-01-30 Thread James A. Treacy
On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 10:13:38AM -0500, Ben Pfaff wrote: Shaleh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: how hard would it be to have the Packages pages on the Debian web site show the packages home URL, i.e. where the author is? A few times I have been hunting for this because I needed a

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Martin Mitchell
Jules Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 31 Jan 1999, Martin Mitchell wrote: Adam Di Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Package: dpkg Version: 1.4.0.31 Severity: important Please remove the following methods (based on disk): harddisk mounted cdrom nfs

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Jules Bean
On 31 Jan 1999, Martin Mitchell wrote: 1) A m68k computer with a 60Mb debian installation. Normally I use the nfs method. Apt is just not feasible, it wants to copy everything over before it starts - there simply isn't space on the disk to do this. Also the runtime cost of starting dpkg on

Re: gnuserv/gnuclient problem

1999-01-30 Thread Steve Dunham
Jim Pick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, January 29 1999, Ionutz Borcoman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wro te: |Hi, | |Is the gnuclient/gnuserv broken in XEmacs ? Using the latest versions |from potato I am no more able to start a gnuclient :-( Is

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Chris Walker
Jules Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 31 Jan 1999, Martin Mitchell wrote: 1) A m68k computer with a 60Mb debian installation. Normally I use the nfs method. Apt is just not feasible, it wants to copy everything over before it starts - there simply isn't space on the disk to do this. Also

Re: Conflicts in libgtk*-dev

1999-01-30 Thread Ben Gertzfield
Ole == Ole J Tetlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ole Am I overlooking something obvious here? libgtk1.1.13-dev Ole provides libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev Ole but Ole libgtk1.1-dev conflicts with libgtk-dev libgtk1.1-dev is really an obsolete package in potato. Think of it as a

Re: Call for mascot! :-)

1999-01-30 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 10:14:15AM -0800, Chris Waters wrote: snip I brought this up on IRC, and got the following suggestions: 1. Dragon (well-liked choice on IRC) 2. Octopus (my own suggestion) 3. Monkey 4. Ant 5. Bee Personally, I think octopi are really cute, they're smart (for

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread M.C. Vernon
On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Enrique Zanardi wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 1999 at 02:21:38AM +1100, Martin Mitchell wrote: Enrique Zanardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What about dpkg-multicd? I have no objection to cdrom being replaced with dpkg-multicd. But dpkg-multicd is more than

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-30 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
but I haven't heard any technical reasons besides, Moving spool directories is hard. When I and others have pointed out that moving the spool directory isn't required; just a symlink, I have heard dead silence. So the lack of technical discussion, but just a stony-silence No! is rather

Re: suggestion: www.debian.org package list show the URL of the program

1999-01-30 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
** Please trim the recipient list as appropriate if you reply. Please, don't CC me if you're responding to this message on this list. ** On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 10:52:07AM -0500, James A. Treacy wrote: The copyright files are already available. The changelog and copyright file links do

Re: Installation Profiles [was: Re: Reality check!]

1999-01-30 Thread M.C. Vernon
[ redundant emacs versions ] Well, I'll suggest that for potato. It will start a nice flame-war on debian-devel emacs vs. xemacs. Hey, that's just what we need at this stage for *slink*! :-) Okay, let's be serious again: unfortunately this actually means that some of the most

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-30 Thread Alan Cox
Technical reasons for making the change; a. Compatibility with the majority of existing unix systems. Incompatibility with the majority of Linux systems. Incompatibility with the majority of Linux packages. b. See a. It can not be stressed enough. If FHS is ever to get OUT of the

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Enrique Zanardi
[ Please, don't CC: me. I'm subscribed to -devel, -boot and -testing. Three copies of the same message are enough. ;-) ] [ Also, I've trimmed down the CC list, as I think this thread is being cross-posted to too many lists... ] On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 06:03:54PM +, M.C. Vernon wrote: On Sat,

Re: suggestion: www.debian.org package list show the URL of the program

1999-01-30 Thread James A. Treacy
On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 08:08:49PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 10:52:07AM -0500, James A. Treacy wrote: The copyright files are already available. The changelog and copyright file links do not seem to work for all packages. Trying to fetch mixal's copyright

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Sun, Jan 31, 1999 at 03:00:01AM +1100, Martin Mitchell wrote: Jules Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would you outline the ways in which apt is not adequate to your needs, and these packages are? 1) A m68k computer with a 60Mb debian installation. Normally I use the nfs method. Apt is

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Jules Bean
On 30 Jan 1999, Chris Walker wrote: [1]Useful in UK academia where you have a fast network connection to a mirror site. In Uk academia, the most useful site is http://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/debian g J /+---+-\ |

Crack? Cops?

1999-01-30 Thread Bear Giles
I noticed in my slink snapshot (from last month) that 'cracklib2' exists, 'crack-dict' is suggested but *doesn't* exist (either as a package or in the 'Packages' list), and 'crack' is nowhere to be seen. Is the omission of 'crack' deliberate, or does it need a maintainer? US export policy should

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-30 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Alan Cox wrote: I'd like to propose that for now the FHS is changed to read The mail spool area location is undefined. It is guaranteed that both /var/mail and /var/spool/mail point to this mail spool area if the system has a mail spool. The preferred reference name

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Gudmundur Ragnar
Hello, Warning ! this is potato talk. On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 04:12:05PM +, Jules Bean wrote: On 31 Jan 1999, Martin Mitchell wrote: 1) A m68k computer with a 60Mb debian installation. Normally I use the nfs method. Apt is just not feasible, it wants to copy everything over before it

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-30 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd like to propose that for now the FHS is changed to read The mail spool area location is undefined. It is guaranteed that both /var/mail and /var/spool/mail point to this mail spool area if the system has a mail spool. The preferred reference name is

Bug#32595: - Big Business

1999-01-30 Thread Bruce Sass
On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Gudmundur Ragnar wrote: ... I also recomend that we stop using deb files and make each package a directory so as not to have to transfer the lot when there is only a change to a single file. From a users pov, :) Why not go back a step (or two) and have the source online,

Re: Installation Profiles [was: Re: Reality check!]

1999-01-30 Thread John Hasler
Paul Seelig writes: Myself i do prefer XEmacs over all other variants but wouldn't mind if i had to install it later on my own. I prefer emacs, bu I also wouldn't mind if i had to install it later on my own. In fact, I would not mind at all if emacs was optional. IMHO it would be much wiser

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jan 29, 1999, Jason Gunthorpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't we decide that all of the available alternatives that you have suggested are not a feasable solution (does this mail help make it clear why)? On 29 Jan 1999, Alexandre Oliva wrote: You may have missed the ugly one I was

Re: gnuserv/gnuclient problem

1999-01-30 Thread Amos Shapira
On Sat, January 30 1999, Jim Pick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | |Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | On Fri, January 29 1999, Ionutz Borcoman [EMAIL PROTECTED] |wro | te: | |Hi, | | | |Is the gnuclient/gnuserv broken in XEmacs ? Using the latest versions | |from potato I am no more able to

Re: gnuserv/gnuclient problem

1999-01-30 Thread Frozen Rose
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to work for me here (gnuclient.xemac20) ii xemacs20-bin20.4-13Editor and kitchen sink -- support binaries ii xemacs20-nomule 20.4-13Editor and kitchen sink -- Non-mule binary

Re: gnuserv/gnuclient problem

1999-01-30 Thread Amos Shapira
On Sat, January 30 1999, Steve Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |Jim Pick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | On Fri, January 29 1999, Ionutz Borcoman [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wro | te: | |Hi, | | | |Is the gnuclient/gnuserv broken in XEmacs ? Using the latest

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jan 29, 1999, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 07:11:54AM -0200, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jan 27, 1999, Jules Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Therefore, we chose to solve that particular problem (the libc5-6 transition) by moving libraries around, knowing

Re: gnuserv/gnuclient problem

1999-01-30 Thread Amos Shapira
On Sat, January 30 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frozen Rose) wrote: | |In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], |Steve Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | It seems to work for me here (gnuclient.xemac20) | | ii xemacs20-bin20.4-13Editor and kitchen sink -- support binar |ies | ii xemacs20-nomule

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jan 29, 1999, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 07:27:28AM -0200, Alexandre Oliva wrote: Does it? You mean, that hack in ld.so that adds /usr/lib/libc5 to the library search path in certain circumstances? The hack is incomplete, you just have to fix it.

Debian-PPC on RS/6000

1999-01-30 Thread Andreas Plesner Jacobsen
Anybody been running debian-ppc on an RS/6000 yet? One of my friends and I are playing around with it, but as of yet I have been unable to find any pointers on how to install it on anything but Macintoshes. -- Andreas

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Hi, On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 03:41:46PM -0600, Gordon Matzigkeit wrote: I don't understand this comment. Which trouble with --rpath do you mean? AO The exact problem the Debian developers have been complaining AO about. The more I think about the problem, the more I see that AO

Re: Call for mascot! :-) -- flying pigs

1999-01-30 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 05:57:47PM -0600, Anderson MacKay wrote: The key here is cute. People don't want an ugly chicken-like creature that is clearly ready to attack at the slightest provocation. And furthermore, even if it -was- to attack, it really wouldn't do anything. Linus -was-

Re: Debian-PPC on RS/6000

1999-01-30 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 11:05:17PM +0100, Andreas Plesner Jacobsen wrote: Anybody been running debian-ppc on an RS/6000 yet? One of my friends and I are playing around with it, but as of yet I have been unable to find any pointers on how to install it on anything but Macintoshes. Installing

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jan 29, 1999, Steve Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe we should just agree that libtool is broken, that it won't be fixed upstream, and just fix the Debian version? This would mean that we would have to rerun autoconf co when we build packages Actually, you'd just have to modify the

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Adam Di Carlo
[CC's trimmed] On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:03:54 + (BST), M.C. Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I still use nfs or mounted (I have /sunsite always pointing to sunsite, which is where I get my packages from) and dselect. It's always worked fine for me, so I feel no need to change. It hasn't

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 07:46:21PM -0200, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jan 29, 1999, Jason Gunthorpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rpath prevents library searching and thus kills this functionality. It doesn't prevent library searching, it just takes precedence over it. If the library is not

Re: gnuserv/gnuclient problem

1999-01-30 Thread Chris Waters
Steve Dunham wrote: ii xemacs20-bin20.4-13Editor and kitchen sink ii xemacs20-nomule 20.4-13Editor and kitchen sink ^ The problem only shows up with the mule versions of xemacs. Nope, because I only have the nomule version installed, and I have

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:30:43 +0100 From: Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why should the application choose to hard code the PATH in the binary? AFAICS, there is no apparent reason for it. What has the path to do with the library? I think the only thing that should be hard

Re: What hack in ld.so?

1999-01-30 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jan 29, 1999, Buddha Buck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [exact description of what I had assumed about the behavior of ld.so, based on previous postings to the libtool mailing list, snipped] This is not how I understand how the ld.so linker works on Linux systems. My understanding is that it

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 05:40:24PM -0500, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: Suppose you have your own set of shared libraries, in your own directory. Suppose you want to let other people use your programs linked against your own shared libraries. You can tell everyone who uses your programs to set

Re: gnuserv/gnuclient problem

1999-01-30 Thread Steve Dunham
Chris Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve Dunham wrote: ii xemacs20-bin20.4-13Editor and kitchen sink ii xemacs20-nomule 20.4-13Editor and kitchen sink ^ The problem only shows up with the mule versions of xemacs. Nope, because I only

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:10:26 +0100 From: Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Is there a better way to do a library transition? I think it is very obvious, that the only correct behaviour is to change the library/soname of all involeved libraries when doing a transition. So

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 05:49:39PM -0500, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: * Is there a better way to do a library transition? I think it is very obvious, that the only correct behaviour is to change the library/soname of all involeved libraries when doing a transition. So we had to move

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Manish Singh
On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 05:49:39PM -0500, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: Shouldn't there be a way to override rpath? Currently,LD_LIBRARY_PATH does override rpath, right? No, LD_LIBRARY_PATH does not override rpath. The rpath is searched first, and then the LD_LIBRARY_PATH is searched. I

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:42:32 +0100 From: Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] In general, it's convenient to store the path in the executable any time a shared library is installed in a directory which the dynamic linker does not search by default. Yes, I should have

Re: What hack in ld.so?

1999-01-30 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On 30 Jan 1999, Alexandre Oliva wrote: Obviously, this would have never been needed if old libraries had not been replaced with (in)compatible versions, but the maintainers of Debian have already taken this step, despite the fact that this would Look, it was not us that decided to do this.

Re: Debian-PPC on RS/6000

1999-01-30 Thread Phillip R. Jaenke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Andreas Plesner Jacobsen wrote: Anybody been running debian-ppc on an RS/6000 yet? One of my friends and I are playing around with it, but as of yet I have been unable to find any pointers on how to install it on anything but

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jan 30, 1999, Ian Lance Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the normal case I think one can assume that the dynamic linker will search any directory listed in /etc/ld.so.conf, and it would be OK to omit a -rpath argument for any shared library installed in one of the directories listed in

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Raja R Harinath
Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 03:41:46PM -0600, Gordon Matzigkeit wrote: I don't understand this comment. Which trouble with --rpath do you mean? AO The exact problem the Debian developers have been complaining AO about. The more I think

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jan 30, 1999, Manish Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, LD_LIBRARY_PATH does not override rpath. The rpath is searched first, and then the LD_LIBRARY_PATH is searched. I think you may have agreed with that later in your message. This is another irksome thing about libtool and -rpath.

Re: What hack in ld.so?

1999-01-30 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jan 30, 1999, Jason Gunthorpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you wish to make statement that binaries compiled with libtool work only on the host they were compiled for and even then only in specific conditions then fine - but that makes it totaly unsuitable for use by any of the binary

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-30 Thread Jakob 'sparky' Kaivo
On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Alan Cox wrote: I'd like to propose that for now the FHS is changed to read The mail spool area location is undefined. It is guaranteed that both /var/mail and /var/spool/mail point to this mail spool area if the system has a mail spool. The preferred reference name

Re: What hack in ld.so?

1999-01-30 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On 30 Jan 1999, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jan 30, 1999, Jason Gunthorpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you wish to make statement that binaries compiled with libtool work only on the host they were compiled for and even then only in specific conditions then fine - but that makes it totaly

Re: WARNING: Re: debhelper /usr/bin/passwd

1999-01-30 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Joey Hess wrote: Joey Hess wrote: I'd say installing debhelper 1.2.28 with --force-conflicts is a _very_ bad idea. Unfortunatly, it looks like the current version of dpkg has --force-overwrite (which is what I meant to say above) enabled by default. And so anyone

Re: What hack in ld.so?

1999-01-30 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Hi, On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 04:06:04PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On 30 Jan 1999, Alexandre Oliva wrote: Obviously, this would have never been needed if old libraries had not been replaced with (in)compatible versions, but the maintainers of Debian have already taken this step,