Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

2012-11-29 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 29 nov 12, 11:35:44, Ivan Shmakov wrote: What are the estimates? And wouldn't it be better to use some kind of a specialized search engine if searching is deemed “crucial”? I guess that it may render the difference between the formats somewhat irrelevant.

Bug#694698: ITP: ruby-libwebsocket -- Universal Ruby library to handle WebSocket protocol

2012-11-29 Thread Vipin Nair
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Vipin Nair swv...@gmail.com * Package name: ruby-libwebsocket Version : 0.1.7.1 Upstream Author : Bernard Potocki bernard.poto...@imanel.org * URL : https://github.com/imanel/libwebsocket * License : MIT/X Programming

Bug#694709: ITP: ruby-weblibsocket -- Universal Ruby library to handle WebSocket protocol

2012-11-29 Thread Vipin Nair
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Vipin Nair swv...@gmail.com * Package name: ruby-weblibsocket Version : 0.7.1-1 Upstream Author : Bernard Potocki bernard.poto...@imanel.org * URL : http://github.com/imanel/libwebsocket * License : MIT/X Programming

Re: the right bug severity in case of data corruption

2012-11-29 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Thu, 2012-11-29 at 08:23 +0100, Paul Gevers wrote: Icedove 10.0.10 (Wheezy, no custom configuration on that front) here. Thunderbird is prone to the issue... and there are only few cases where it doesn't occur... Have a look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=808450 especially my

Re: the right bug severity in case of data corruption

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-11-29 01:50:55 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: It's like a serious flaw would have been found in gzip and people would say... oh don't complain... there's already the much better/newer bzip2 or xz. There's a major difference. mbox is buggy by design. Even though mboxrd attempts

Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-11-29 01:28:37 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: But it also has disadvantages to the mbox formats which may be crucial for some people: - wasting a lot of storage, which can be significant even if you use small file systems block sizes... This is a problem with the file system,

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 04:03:21PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:52:58PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 11/25/2012 01:30 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Why? Why would you want to rip such low-level stuff apart? Well, isn't it the opposite

Re: the right bug severity in case of data corruption

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-11-29 01:39:57 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 16:01 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: Even users of mboxo shouldn't even have a problem because in your message the F of the From line is encoded in quoted-printable: | =46rom blahhityblah Fri Jul 8

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 06:49:45PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 01:08:31AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Now, I may add, I have no will to discuss it with you anyway, after reading you impose on my your partitioning scheme, and would like me to use my

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 08:02:20PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 02:12:23AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: P.S: By the way, there's still an ongoing m68k porting effort. Please respect this work as well. I've been a vivid Amiga user since 1991* and I still

Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

2012-11-29 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Thu, 2012-11-29 at 15:20 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2012-11-29 01:28:37 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: But it also has disadvantages to the mbox formats which may be crucial for some people: - wasting a lot of storage, which can be significant even if you use small file

Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

2012-11-29 Thread Ryan Kavanagh
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:30:47PM +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: Do these tools (mairix, notmuch, etc.) also help with real full text search? I just though they'd index some stuff. I can't speak for mairix, etc., but notmuch can handle full text search. To quote from

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-29 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:21:02PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Well, systemd and udev are developed by the same developers. Both daemons interact very closely and integration of the sources was the natural consequence. udev and pulseaudio are developed by the same developers. Both

Re: the right bug severity in case of mbox formats

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-11-29 01:49:55 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 22:06 +, Darren Salt wrote: It would make sense to have that enabled by default, and to ensure that all software in Debian which produces MIME quoted-printable does this, or at least can do this. I

Bug#694724: ITP: libb64 -- base64 encoding/decoding library

2012-11-29 Thread Jakub Wilk
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org * Package name: libb64 Version : 1.2 Upstream Author : Chris Venter chris.ven...@gmail.com * URL : http://libb64.sourceforge.net/ * License : none (the code has been placed in the public

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:00:14PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2012-11-26 07:27:08 +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: Ever heard of grep, sed, awk, all these nice things that make your life happy. These tools are broken when dealing with multibyte characters. No they're not.

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems (was: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev)

2012-11-29 Thread Wookey
+++ John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [2012-11-24 18:30 +0100]: On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 06:03:02PM +0100, Toni Mueller wrote: On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 05:15:25PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: If both Ubuntu and Gentoo would just go with the rest of the community and accept systemd,

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 29 novembre 2012 à 15:24 +0100, Wouter Verhelst a écrit : Now if someone wants to fork the particular bits of upstream software so making use of a separate /usr is still possible, even if you think it's totally useless, are you going to stop them. Wouter, I think higher of you than

Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-11-29 15:30:47 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: On Thu, 2012-11-29 at 15:20 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: Now, I would say that in general, the wasted space is small compared to large attachments. And if you have only text and care about disk space, you should consider a

Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

2012-11-29 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:20:34PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2012-11-29 01:28:37 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: But it also has disadvantages to the mbox formats which may be crucial for some people: - wasting a lot of storage, which can be significant even if you use small

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-11-29 15:46:35 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:00:14PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2012-11-26 07:27:08 +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: Ever heard of grep, sed, awk, all these nice things that make your life happy. These tools are broken

Re: the right bug severity in case of data corruption

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-11-29 06:43:06 +, Ian Campbell wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 16:06 -0500, Nikolaus Rath wrote: Darren Salt lists...@moreofthesa.me.uk writes: (Oops. Failed first time.) Having just viewed the raw text of my message (as sent), there's one other little wrinkle which I

Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

2012-11-29 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:16:25PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: *cough* btrfs -ocompress=lzo. Small files are packed inline in metadata blocks, and you get compression you wanted. It's nice to see more features from '93 Windows NT implemented for Linux at last. -- WBR, wRAR signature.asc

Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-11-29 16:16:25 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: *cough* btrfs -ocompress=lzo. Small files are packed inline in metadata blocks, and you get compression you wanted. Using lzo is faster than no compression for most loads, adding negligible cost for incompressible data (especially if not all

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:23:03PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: The default .subversion/config file is a piece of documentation, not a configuration file. I agree that there's far too much noise in there. However, that's not a flaw of the format, it's a flaw of the subversion default

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-11-29 21:33:37 +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:23:03PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: The default .subversion/config file is a piece of documentation, not a configuration file. I agree that there's far too much noise in there. However, that's not a flaw

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems |Subject: Re: Really, about udev

2012-11-29 Thread Harald Jenny
Dear Adrian On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:40:41PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Again, I am constantly asking here what these reasons might be and yet people always come with strawman arguments. I mean, seriously we had the discussion that systemd is a bad design because it uses the

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net wrote: And interfaces in various programming languages? http://docs.python.org/2/library/configparser.html http://search.cpan.org/~shlomif/Config-IniFiles-2.78/lib/Config/IniFiles.pm https://rubygems.org/gems/inifile

Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

2012-11-29 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:32:33PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2012-11-29 16:16:25 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: *cough* btrfs -ocompress=lzo. Small files are packed inline in metadata blocks, and you get compression you wanted. Using lzo is faster than no compression for most loads,

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-29 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 11/29/2012 10:58 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: There are valid arguments for forking udev, but /usr support is not one of them; we will just move /usr mounting to the initrd if it cannot be mounted later. On the Debian side of things, you are probably right, since using an initrd is ok in

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread Roland Mas
Kelly Clowers, 2012-11-29 08:37:19 -0800 : [...] And command-line tools? An editor with syntax highlighting? Other than that, I don't know of any, but do you really need it with ini? For a specific purpose, you could probably whip something up pretty fast with one of the libraries... For

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:23:03PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2012-11-29 15:46:35 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: But it will in a UTF8 locale, Unfortunately the C locale is the only really portable one. Debian's glibc has C.UTF-8 always available these days. or in an ISO-8859-1

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems |Subject: Re: Really, about udev

2012-11-29 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hi Harald, On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:58:35PM +0100, Harald Jenny wrote: I have tried systemd but as it does not support the Debian extensions to cryptsetup (namely the crypttab keyscript parameter) it is not a valuable alternative for me - sysvinit and upstart btw do support them, I did not

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-29 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:55:13AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: However, you are running Gentoo and rebuild your kernel, why would you bother with such thing as kernel modules and initrd? The thing is, many (most? all?) Gentoo user, as far as I understand (I'm not a Gentoo user), do not use

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-29 Thread Игорь Пашев
2012/11/29 Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org: glibc and the kernel is developed by the same group of companies. Both interact very closely and integration of the sources was the natural consequence. Please, *DONT* :-) I've tired of this crap on illumos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 29, 2012, at 03:40 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Plus, you have to sign a contributor's agreement with Canonical which leaves a bad taste in my mouth. That shouldn't be the case with true free software, should it? In an ideal world maybe it shouldn't, but in truth it is for both

Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de [121129 18:12]: This is actually a true valid point which I personally would accept as an argument against systemd. Without looking into the details, this seems to be something that can be fixed by a new upload, doesn't it? Almost any

procenv and buildd environments

2012-11-29 Thread James Hunt
The procenv utility [1], which provides information on the environment it runs in, is now available in Debian Sid [2] and Ubuntu Raring [3]. As part of its package build, 'make check' gets run which does the following: (1) Dumps information on the C pre-processor, compiler and linker. (2) Runs

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-29 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 11/30/2012 01:18 AM, Jon Dowland wrote: On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:55:13AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: However, you are running Gentoo and rebuild your kernel, why would you bother with such thing as kernel modules and initrd? The thing is, many (most? all?) Gentoo user, as far as I

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-29 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:28:40PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/homepage.jsp?code=PC68KCF the most recent processor you can find there was released in January 2012. Yeah, someone else posted this information already. How much are these instruction

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-29 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 03:40:47AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: We can ignore what happens to other downstreams of udev, however I don't think that's a good idea to do so. Why bother other downstreams if they don't complain? I find it rather intrusive to post on the lists of other downstreams,

Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 08:22:41PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: I think noone claims that systemd would not be the superior design in a world where there is bug-free, perfect software prepared to handle every possible situation it will be thrown into. Yes, but this is valid for any other

Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread Russ Allbery
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de writes: Yes, I do accept vocals against systemd, but only if these are actually valid arguments. Because I want software development to be driven on technical merits and not on sympathies against or for certain people neither the stance

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread Stig Sandbeck Mathisen
Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net writes: It is more verbose, but I find it as readable (if you have characters that normally need to be escaped, you can still use CDATA sections, which is a way to keep the readability). So to keep everyone equally happy, we need: config ![CDATA[ [section1]

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 09:25:50PM +0100, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net writes: It is more verbose, but I find it as readable (if you have characters that normally need to be escaped, you can still use CDATA sections, which is a way to keep the

Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de [121129 21:14]: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 08:22:41PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: As our world has not yet seen bug-free software handling every single situation the authors did not think about properly, the expectation of what

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 09:25:50PM +0100, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net writes: It is more verbose, but I find it as readable (if you have characters that normally need to be escaped, you can still use CDATA sections, which is a way to keep the

Re: debian-devel-digest Digest V2012 #1259

2012-11-29 Thread penguina...@bigpond.com
Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: debian-devel-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org To: debian-devel-dig...@lists.debian.org Subject: debian-devel-digest Digest V2012 #1259 Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2012 4:47 AM 2012/11/29 Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org: glibc and the kernel is

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 29 novembre 2012 17:58 CET, Roland Mas lola...@debian.org : And command-line tools? An editor with syntax highlighting? Other than that, I don't know of any, but do you really need it with ini? For a specific purpose, you could probably whip something up pretty fast with one of the

Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread Uoti Urpala
Russ Allbery wrote: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de writes: Yes, I do accept vocals against systemd, but only if these are actually valid arguments. Because I want software development to be driven on technical merits and not on sympathies against or for certain

Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Uoti Urpala uoti.urp...@pp1.inet.fi writes: Russ Allbery wrote: Free software is a social activity. The past history of qmail should be informative here (or, for that matter, both gcc and glibc, which had to go through disruptive forks to sort out long-term issues). One of the determiners

Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Uoti Urpala has written on Friday, 30 November, at 1:00: [...] I think there's already enough evidence to show that systemd is clearly the best choice. How much more would you expect to have before it would not be premature any more? I should thank you all, John Paul Adrian

Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Andrej N. Gritsenko and...@rep.kiev.ua writes: Uoti Urpala has written on Friday, 30 November, at 1:00: [...] I think there's already enough evidence to show that systemd is clearly the best choice. How much more would you expect to have before it would not be premature any more?

Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:34:08PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: No one is expecting you to help, so your statement that you don't think this activity is useful is just noise. One of the features of free software is that there is no need to concern onself with the (presumably billions) of people

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-29 Thread Roger Leigh
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:40:41PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:21:02PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Well, systemd and udev are developed by the same developers. Both daemons interact very closely and integration of the sources was the natural

Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:43:48PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: The people who repeatedly advocate systemd on debian-devel are not representative of the whole development community. I suspect most of them aren't even *part* of the systemd development community. No. But I am using systemd both

Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread Russ Allbery
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de writes: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:34:08PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: At this point, the single most annoying thing about systemd is the people who are advocating it on debian-devel at every opportunity and seem incapable of shutting up

Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:04:52PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de writes: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:34:08PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: At this point, the single most annoying thing about systemd is the people who are advocating it on

Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread Russ Allbery
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de writes: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:04:52PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: This is something that you're all (collectively) enabling via your behavior of constantly repeating the same arguments. Someone has to stop. Preferrably everyone at

Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! John Paul Adrian Glaubitz has written on Friday, 30 November, at 1:04: Absolutely true. And this is actually why I don't understand so many people get so emotional when it comes to software like systemd or Pulse-Audio. Well, without any emotions. In last 2 years I've installed

Work-needing packages report for Nov 30, 2012

2012-11-29 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 497 (new: 15) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 138 (new: 0) Total number of packages

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:51:12PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:40:41PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:21:02PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Well, systemd and udev are developed by the same developers. Both daemons interact

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-11-29 18:08:05 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:23:03PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2012-11-29 15:46:35 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: But it will in a UTF8 locale, Unfortunately the C locale is the only really portable one. Debian's glibc has

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-11-29 21:25:50 +0100, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: So to keep everyone equally happy, we need: config ![CDATA[ [section1] key1=val1 key2=val2 key3=♬♫♩♩♫ [section2] foo=bar ]] /config Structure _and_ readability. No, you don't have the structure from the XML point of

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-11-29 08:37:19 -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net wrote: And interfaces in various programming languages? http://search.cpan.org/~shlomif/Config-IniFiles-2.78/lib/Config/IniFiles.pm At least for Perl, I can't see anything

Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread Uoti Urpala
Russ Allbery wrote: Uoti Urpala uoti.urp...@pp1.inet.fi writes: Russ Allbery wrote: Free software is a social activity. The past history of qmail should be informative here (or, for that matter, both gcc and glibc, which had to go through disruptive forks to sort out long-term issues).

Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Uoti Urpala uoti.urp...@pp1.inet.fi writes: Would you expect anyone who thinks such activity is not useful to help with it? This would seem to lead to the absurd conclusion that expressing a negative view/evaluation of anything would always be just noise, regardless of technical arguments or

Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread Uoti Urpala
Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz has written on Friday, 30 November, at 1:04: Absolutely true. And this is actually why I don't understand so many people get so emotional when it comes to software like systemd or Pulse-Audio. Well, without any emotions. In last 2

Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On 30/11/2012 10:16, Uoti Urpala wrote: Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz has written on Friday, 30 November, at 1:04: Absolutely true. And this is actually why I don't understand so many people get so emotional when it comes to software like systemd or Pulse-Audio.

Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread Uoti Urpala
Russ Allbery wrote: Uoti Urpala uoti.urp...@pp1.inet.fi writes: Would you expect anyone who thinks such activity is not useful to help with it? This would seem to lead to the absurd conclusion that expressing a negative view/evaluation of anything would always be just noise, regardless

Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread Uoti Urpala
Chow Loong Jin wrote: On 30/11/2012 10:16, Uoti Urpala wrote: However, current PulseAudio is still quite buggy. But I wouldn't place Is it, really? I haven't noticed any major issues with Pulseaudio in the past couple of years running Ubuntu. That and sound has worked out of the box with

Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

2012-11-29 Thread brian m. carlson
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 05:52:06PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: Outside of dpkg, sqlite in non-WAL mode, other databases and virtualbox/ qemu, btrfs is pretty fast. That may be true, but it glosses over how awful performance is on those workloads on btrfs. A single Berkeley DB transaction can

Accepted webissues 1.0.4-1 (source amd64)

2012-11-29 Thread Patrick Matthäi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:55:03 +0100 Source: webissues Binary: webissues webissues-dbg Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.0.4-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org Changed-By:

Accepted php5 5.4.9-2 (source amd64 all)

2012-11-29 Thread Ondřej Surý
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:48:24 +0100 Source: php5 Binary: php5 php5-common libapache2-mod-php5 libapache2-mod-php5filter php5-cgi php5-cli php5-fpm libphp5-embed php5-dev php5-dbg php-pear php5-curl php5-enchant php5-gd php5-gmp

Accepted erlang-cowboy 0.6.1-2 (source amd64)

2012-11-29 Thread Nobuhiro Iwamatsu
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 01:23:54 +0900 Source: erlang-cowboy Binary: erlang-cowboy Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.6.1-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: LeoFS maintainers team pkg-leofs-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org

Accepted libapache2-mod-fcgid 1:2.3.6-1.2 (source amd64)

2012-11-29 Thread Tobias Frost
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 18:33:32 +0100 Source: libapache2-mod-fcgid Binary: libapache2-mod-fcgid libapache2-mod-fcgid-dbg Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1:2.3.6-1.2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Tatsuki Sugiura

Accepted midori 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1 (source amd64)

2012-11-29 Thread Koichi Akabe
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 17:33:35 +0900 Source: midori Binary: midori midori-dbg Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Ryan Niebur r...@debian.org Changed-By: Koichi Akabe

Accepted procenv 0.15-1 (source amd64)

2012-11-29 Thread James Hunt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:44:41 + Source: procenv Binary: procenv Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.15-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: James Hunt james.h...@ubuntu.com Changed-By: James Hunt

Accepted cups-filters 1.0.25-1 (source amd64)

2012-11-29 Thread Till Kamppeter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:14:07 +0100 Source: cups-filters Binary: libcupsfilters1 libfontembed1 cups-filters libcupsfilters-dev libfontembed-dev Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.0.25-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low

Accepted herold 6.0.3-1 (source all)

2012-11-29 Thread Mathieu Malaterre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:00:52 +0100 Source: herold Binary: herold Architecture: source all Version: 6.0.3-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian XML/SGML Group debian-xml-sgml-p...@lists.alioth.debian.org Changed-By:

Accepted mesa 8.0.5-2 (source amd64)

2012-11-29 Thread Julien Cristau
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:09:14 +0100 Source: mesa Binary: libgl1-mesa-swx11 libgl1-mesa-swx11-dbg libgl1-mesa-swx11-i686 libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev libxatracker1 libxatracker1-dbg libxatracker-dev libgbm1 libgbm1-dbg libgbm-dev

Accepted im-config 0.19~pre1 (source all)

2012-11-29 Thread Osamu Aoki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 00:14:56 +0900 Source: im-config Binary: im-config Architecture: source all Version: 0.19~pre1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Osamu Aoki os...@debian.org Changed-By: Osamu Aoki os...@debian.org

Accepted trafficserver 3.3.0-1 (source amd64)

2012-11-29 Thread Aron Xu
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:13:55 +0800 Source: trafficserver Binary: trafficserver trafficserver-dev Architecture: source amd64 Version: 3.3.0-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Arno Töll a...@debian.org Changed-By: Aron

Accepted python-django-social-auth 0.7.10-1 (source all)

2012-11-29 Thread Janos Guljas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:56:19 +0100 Source: python-django-social-auth Binary: python-django-social-auth Architecture: source all Version: 0.7.10-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Janos Guljas ja...@debian.org

Accepted mdp 3.3+git6-g7bbd889-1 (source all)

2012-11-29 Thread Tiziano Zito
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:19:15 +0100 Source: mdp Binary: python-mdp python3-mdp Architecture: source all Version: 3.3+git6-g7bbd889-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Tiziano Zito opossumn...@gmail.com Changed-By:

Accepted mediawiki-extensions 3.0 (source all)

2012-11-29 Thread Thorsten Glaser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA384 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:55:02 +0100 Source: mediawiki-extensions Binary: mediawiki-extensions-base mediawiki-extensions-geshi mediawiki-extensions-ldapauth mediawiki-extensions-openid mediawiki-extensions-confirmedit

Accepted libaudio-mixer-perl 0.7-4 (source amd64)

2012-11-29 Thread Jonas Genannt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:56:10 +0100 Source: libaudio-mixer-perl Binary: libaudio-mixer-perl Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.7-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Perl Group

Accepted libpod-markdown-perl 1.322000-1 (source all)

2012-11-29 Thread Florian Schlichting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 22:59:16 +0100 Source: libpod-markdown-perl Binary: libpod-markdown-perl Architecture: source all Version: 1.322000-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Perl Group

Accepted libtext-csv-xs-perl 0.93-1 (source amd64)

2012-11-29 Thread Xavier Guimard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 06:12:21 +0100 Source: libtext-csv-xs-perl Binary: libtext-csv-xs-perl Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.93-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Perl Group

Accepted libautobox-perl 2.76-1 (source amd64)

2012-11-29 Thread Xavier Guimard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 06:25:52 +0100 Source: libautobox-perl Binary: libautobox-perl Architecture: source amd64 Version: 2.76-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Perl Group

Accepted libclass-xsaccessor-perl 1.16-1 (source amd64)

2012-11-29 Thread Xavier Guimard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:16:42 +0100 Source: libclass-xsaccessor-perl Binary: libclass-xsaccessor-perl Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.16-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Perl Group

Accepted libcql-parser-perl 1.12-1 (source all)

2012-11-29 Thread Xavier Guimard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 18:46:25 +0100 Source: libcql-parser-perl Binary: libcql-parser-perl Architecture: source all Version: 1.12-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Perl Group

Accepted mountall 2.45 (source amd64)

2012-11-29 Thread Steve Langasek
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:07:18 -0800 Source: mountall Binary: mountall Architecture: source amd64 Version: 2.45 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org Changed-By: Steve Langasek

Accepted libvisio 0.0.22-1 (source amd64 all)

2012-11-29 Thread Rene Engelhard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:53:47 +0100 Source: libvisio Binary: libvisio-dev libvisio-doc libvisio-0.0-0 libvisio-tools Architecture: source amd64 all Version: 0.0.22-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Rene Engelhard

Accepted xmobar 0.14-4 (source amd64)

2012-11-29 Thread Apollon Oikonomopoulos
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:13:55 +0200 Source: xmobar Binary: xmobar Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.14-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Apollon Oikonomopoulos apoi...@gmail.com Changed-By: Apollon Oikonomopoulos

Accepted blktap-dkms 2.0.91-2 (source amd64)

2012-11-29 Thread Thomas Goirand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 19:57:34 + Source: blktap-dkms Binary: blktap-dkms Architecture: source amd64 Version: 2.0.91-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Xen Team pkg-xen-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org Changed-By:

Accepted kgpg 4:4.8.4-4 (source amd64)

2012-11-29 Thread Pino Toscano
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:34:53 +0100 Source: kgpg Binary: kgpg kgpg-dbg Architecture: source amd64 Version: 4:4.8.4-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers debian-qt-...@lists.debian.org Changed-By:

Accepted manpages-fr-extra 20121129 (source all)

2012-11-29 Thread David Prévot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:25:01 -0400 Source: manpages-fr-extra Binary: manpages-fr-extra Architecture: source all Version: 20121129 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Nicolas FRANCOIS (Nekral) nicolas.franc

Accepted xorg-server 2:1.12.4-4 (source all amd64)

2012-11-29 Thread Julien Cristau
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 19:27:31 +0100 Source: xorg-server Binary: xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-core-udeb xserver-xorg-dev xdmx xdmx-tools xnest xvfb xserver-xephyr xserver-xfbdev xserver-xorg-core-dbg xserver-common Architecture:

Accepted manpages-fr 3.44d1p1-1 (source all)

2012-11-29 Thread Simon Paillard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:40:19 +0100 Source: manpages-fr Binary: manpages-fr manpages-fr-dev Architecture: source all Version: 3.44d1p1-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Nicolas FRANCOIS (Nekral)

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