Constitution proposed for Debian

1998-04-02 Thread Ian Jackson
In my project leadership manifesto I promised to instute a more formal decisionmaking procedure for the Project. On debian-devel we have been discussing my drafts for the project's constitution, which have evolved somewhat through that discussion. This discussion has now reached the point where

Bug system down

1999-04-21 Thread Ian Jackson
The bug system has not been working properly for a few days now, and I have just turned it off. No new mail will be processed and the web pages will not be updated. The problem is that (apparently) Linux 2.2 doesn't properly support a.out binaries. The bug system uses a private copy of Smail3

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1998-06-17 Thread Ian Jackson
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: reassign 23340 general Bug#23340: Quite a bad error from libstdc++2.8 Bug reassigned from package `libstdc++2.8' to `general'. thanks Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. Ian Jackson (administrator, Debian bugs

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1998-06-18 Thread Ian Jackson
Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. Ian Jackson (administrator, Debian bugs database) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Release management - technical

1998-06-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Enrique Zanardi writes (Re: Release management - technical): On Tue, Jun 09, 1998 at 04:21:57PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: ... I think we can only do one of these. With hamm we're doing the latter; in the future I think we should do the former. Fine, as long as we have some long term goals

Re: Propersel for standerd configuration system.

1998-06-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Jules Bean writes (Re: Propersel for standerd configuration system. ): --On Fri, Jun 12, 1998 7:53 am +0100 Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The layout of the registry will be similar to Microsoft's windows registry however it will be far more powerful. ... So what do you think of

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1998-06-25 Thread Ian Jackson
-floppies Bug#23859: # of disks in floppy installation Bug assigned to package `boot-floppies'. thanks Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. Ian Jackson (administrator, Debian bugs database) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

FHS - politics

1998-10-06 Thread Ian Jackson
I've been catching up on debian-devel (only 4900 messages to go), and have come across a discussion about FHS. I have two kinds of comment on this proposal: the first is appropriate for debian-devel, and concerns our general goals, and is in this message: Firstly, I stick to my guns that we need

Better (inc. asynchronous) DNS client (stub resolver)

1998-10-07 Thread Ian Jackson
don't think would be addressed by the API presented below let me know. If you don't understand the API below then I'm afraid I can't help you atm - I haven't written the documentation yet. /* * Copyright (C)1998 Ian Jackson. * This version provided for review and comment only. * * $Id: adns.h,v

Re: Better (inc. asynchronous) DNS client (stub resolver)

1998-10-07 Thread Ian Jackson
Mark W. Eichin writes (Re: Better (inc. asynchronous) DNS client (stub resolver)): You might look at the ares library (Asynchronous RESolver) that Greg Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... athena-dist.mit.edu:/pub/ATHENA/ares/ares-0.3.0.tar.gz is the current version. (At very least,

Re: File renamer

1998-10-08 Thread Ian Jackson
David Welton writes (File renamer): Hi, a friend of mine wrote a thing to rename a bunch of files, say *.jpg to *.gif. Yes, he realizes you can do the same thing with a shell script, but he wrote this thing just the same, because it's convenient. Does anyone know of anything similiar?

Re: Ratifying the constitution

1998-10-09 Thread Ian Jackson
(I've now caught up on debian-devel, barring my 7 articles marked to return, of which this was one ...) Guy Maor writes on the 10th of September: Yes, let's. I am formally proposing version 0.8 of the constitution as given in http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ian/debian-organisation.html.

Re: Ratifying the constitution

1998-10-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Buddha Buck writes (Re: Ratifying the constitution ): ... That's not what it means. It means that in order for an amendment to automatically be accepted, you need to convince 6 people, Guy and the five seconds. If they don't like it, you can force it to a vote. I think you require

Re: Discussion - Proposed Constitution - voting part 2

1998-10-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Darren Benham writes (Discussion - Proposed Constitution - voting part 2): I've found another area that could cause problems in the vote counting area. I've been running various sceanios and here's what I've found: In point 5 of A.6. describes the STV method. Basicly, if no one option has

Re: Contacting authors

1998-10-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Martin Schulze writes (Contacting authors): tonight I was thinking about implementing @authors.debian.org which would enable a way for us to get in touch with the upstream authors of some piece of software without the need of looking into the copyright file or digging in the source if the

`Vedova Linux' (was forwarded message from Ian Murdock)

1999-02-01 Thread Ian Jackson
I've had a brief look at this; would anyone like to take a closer look ? Ian. ---BeginMessage--- --- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) --- Received: from optima.cs.arizona.edu (optima.CS.Arizona.EDU [192.12.69.5]) by baskerville.CS.Arizona.EDU (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with

Visiting Stockholm

1999-09-27 Thread Ian Jackson
I'm being sent to Stockholm by my employer and would be interested to meet any other Debian or GNU people there. I'm flying out tomorrow night and returning on Sunday. The conference I'm attending is Wednesday to Friday, so I'll probably be available Friday night and Saturday daytime and night.

Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time

2005-11-15 Thread Ian Jackson
Ryan Murray writes (master's mail backlog and upgrade time): Also, I've investigated the mail backlog on master and found the main problem. The mail queue is currently full of email that will never be able to be delivered, all for one particular user. This mail is being removed from the

Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time

2005-11-15 Thread Ian Jackson
to be treated this way for an unrelated reasons without an announcement anywhere, surely that is even worse ! On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 12:18:45PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: * The mail backlog that `will never be able to be delivered' was (as far as I can tell) all spam that chiark has been properly

Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time

2005-11-15 Thread Ian Jackson
Steve Langasek writes (Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time): On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 12:18:45PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: * It is unfortunate that (a) master has such a lax spam policy and that (b) Debian developers cannot choose to make their @debian.org address unuseable

Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time

2005-11-15 Thread Ian Jackson
Marco d'Itri writes (Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time): [I don't want a debian.org address either]. In the past the debian-admins suggested that they would consider allowing to disable them if somebody else implemented everything needed to do it. Do we know what would be needed ?

Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time

2005-11-18 Thread Ian Jackson
Steve Langasek writes (Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time): On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 04:01:10PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: But, there is another important point: I don't really want a debian.org address. It's technically necessary for me to have one for (eg) cronmail from debian

Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time

2005-11-18 Thread Ian Jackson
Steve Langasek writes (Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time): Anyway, the line in question is still in master's exim4 config; you may want to try sending a mail to debian-admin, let them know what you've done on your end, and ask if there's anything still preventing its removal... Well,

Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time

2005-11-18 Thread Ian Jackson
Stephen Frost writes (Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time): Then bounce it locally. Duh. No reason to force master to deal with the bounce messages you feel are 'right' to send. I don't bounce it. I reject it at SMTP time with a 4xx or 5xx code. Iaan. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time

2005-11-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Andy Smith writes (Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time): Instead of either side in this debate saying Not my problem, you should do this... how about reaching some compromise? It sounds like in the short term, Ian needs to discard some mail instead of rejecting, and in the long term

Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time

2005-11-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Stephen Frost writes (Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time): * Andy Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: a) inflict bounce spam scatter on the forged from addresses in the malware and spam he doesn't want to accept delivery for; or ... It's his choice to do either (a) or (b) or (c). I

Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time

2005-11-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Six days ago I discovered that one of the Debian system administrators had made a deliberate and highly unusual configuration change which predictably broke mail from or via master to: * me personally * some of the =8 other Debian developers who have accounts on chiark * the Technical Committee

Re: Automated testing - design and interfaces

2005-11-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Anthony Towns writes (Re: Automated testing - design and interfaces): On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 06:43:32PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: The source package provides a test metadata file debian/tests/ control. This is a file containing zero or more RFC822-style stanzas, along these lines

Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time

2005-11-22 Thread Ian Jackson
James Troup writes (Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time): The change was made roughly less than 24 hours before your first post to debian-devel. There wasn't actually all that much time to contact you in. You (plural) could have _just_ contacted me and I would have fixed it, as I have

Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time

2005-11-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Stephen Frost writes (Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time): *I* don't bounce much of anything. Talk to Ian about wanting to generate bounces, it wasn't my idea. What I want is for him to bounce it himself if he feels it needs to be bounced, not make master do it. What I want is for

Re: Automated testing - design and interfaces

2005-11-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Anthony Towns writes (Re: Automated testing - design and interfaces): On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 06:22:37PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: This is no good because we want the test environment to be able to tell which tests failed, so the test cases have to be enumerated in the test metadata file

Re: Bug#340428: octave2.9 - lists mailing list as uploader in changelog

2005-11-28 Thread Ian Jackson
Thiemo Seufer writes (Re: Bug#340428: octave2.9 - lists mailing list as uploader in changelog): Policy violations are RC by definition. This is pernicious nonsense. Asking whether a bug is release critical is the same as asking whether it would be better to release with the bug, or to discard

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-17 Thread Ian Jackson
Manoj Srivastava writes (Re: Canonical's business model): What would I *like* to see? Well, that they treat me like I treat my upstreams; I triage bug reports, I keep feature specific patches separate, I submit these feature requests to upstream BTS, or upstream author, depending

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-17 Thread Ian Jackson
Thomas Bushnell BSG writes (Re: Need for launchpad): Actually, upstream maintainers have no voice before the technical committee, which exists to resolve disputes between Debian developers, not between Debian developers and outsiders. This is not true. Constitution s6 defines the powers of

Automatic testing of .deb's

2006-02-02 Thread Ian Jackson
(Note crosspost to debian-devel and ubuntu-devel. If your reply does not concern both Debian and Ubuntu, please remove the inappropriate list. And of course, in general, do not CC individual posters unless they ask for it.) Following discussions at Ubuntu's Montreal meeting, on debian-devel,

Re: Automatic testing of .deb's

2006-02-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Gustavo Franco writes (Re: Automatic testing of .deb's): On 2/2/06, Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to have some idea what people think I should do with the tests that we're hopefully going to have, eventually for lots of packages. Would Debian like those tests as patches

Re: Tcl in Debian - volunteers needed

2006-02-07 Thread Ian Jackson
David N. Welton writes (Tcl in Debian - volunteers needed): Apparently some of the packages I maintain were removed from Debian's testing distribution this evening: rivet, tcldom, tclxml and tclsoap, because of open bugs against them that I haven't found the time to close. My bad, as they

Re: Automatic testing of .deb's

2006-02-07 Thread Ian Jackson
Adrian von Bidder writes (Re: Automatic testing of .deb's): On Monday 06 February 2006 19:53, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 2/6/06, Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ filing automatic package tests to the Debian bts ] The Ubuntu maintainer should always open bugs with the test related stuff

Re: timezone data packaged separately and in volatile?

2006-02-07 Thread Ian Jackson
Martijn van Oosterhout writes (Re: timezone data packaged separately and in volatile?): The requirements for getting into a stable release update are not black magic, they're quite well known: http://people.debian.org/~joey/3.1r1/ 2. The package fixes a critical bug which can lead into

Re: conffile purging and maintainer scripts

2006-03-23 Thread Ian Jackson
Anthony DeRobertis writes (Re: conffile purging and maintainer scripts): 5. Decide you'd rather keep locally installed FOO, purge Debian FOO package. DDTT Solution to this one is that admins should follow the FHS and put their config files in /etc/local/ :-D No, the solution is not to purge

Re: conffile purging and maintainer scripts

2006-03-23 Thread Ian Jackson
Thomas Hood writes (Re: conffile purging and maintainer scripts): If a file /etc/foo was formerly a conffile of the package but no longer is so then /etc/foo should be dealt with in the preinst or postinst. Regrettably this is currently true. I think this is a bug in dpkg and I think I know

Re: Ian Jackson, please get me the hell off your blacklist.

2000-03-30 Thread Ian Jackson
Branden Robinson writes (Ian Jackson, please get me the hell off your blacklist.): Mar 29 15:20:15 apocalypse sendmail[7886]: e2T8qEi03048: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ctladdr=branden (1000/1000), delay=11:28:01, xdelay=00:00:21, mailer=esmtp, pri=6332789, relay=chiark.greenend.org.uk

Re: Ian Jackson, please get me the hell off your blacklist.

2000-04-01 Thread Ian Jackson
Branden Robinson writes (Re: Ian Jackson, please get me the hell off your blacklist.): Sending me mails -- with whatever content -- and discarding my replies regardless of their content is nothing short of harassment. [further polemic] I reiterate, iwj and I are discussing this in private

Re: Ian Jackson, please get me the hell off your blacklist.

2000-04-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Branden Robinson writes (Re: Ian Jackson, please get me the hell off your blacklist.): I see no reason not to reply [...] I think you are being hypocritical. You complain when other people post their opinions and discussions of this topic with you, yet you post your own diatribes here. Since

DUL (was Re: RBL report..)

2000-04-03 Thread Ian Jackson
I've just sent another, long, message about mail acceptance, blacklisting, and this whole flamewar. Please read that message first; it explains the context of this mail, and without it you might misinterpret this one. This message is about my opinion of the DUL, which I support and use. In fact

Re: Formal request for review: [Sam Hartman hartmans@debian.org] Referring what kernel-images to build to the technical committee?

2001-04-27 Thread Ian Jackson
Sam Hartman writes (Formal request for review: [Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Referring what kernel-images to build to the technical committee?): Hi. I posted the following message to debian-devel last night and have received agreement with the summary and apparently (it was not explicitly

sending debian-private postings to gmail

2006-05-25 Thread Ian Jackson
I'm one of the small minority of people who have a very negative opinion about gmail. I realise I'm a bit of a kook on this subject and I'd ideally I'd like to avoid having an enormous flamewar about it. However, it has come to my attention that at least one developer appears to be reading

Re: Mass bug filing: failure to use invoke-rc.d when required

2006-05-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Brian M. Carlson writes (Re: Mass bug filing: failure to use invoke-rc.d when required): But seriously, if violating Debian Policy has no consequences, then it probably won't be followed. As it stands now, Policy is useless because the worst that can happen is an important bug, which can be

Re: use of invoke-rc.d $PACKAGE stop || exit $? in prerm scripts

2006-05-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Francesco P. Lovergine writes (Re: use of invoke-rc.d $PACKAGE stop || exit $? in prerm scripts): Unfortunately sometimes the daemon does not stop for an error in the maintainer script and that prevents upgrading for ever, even when the package has been corrected. [...] If the old package's

Re: sending debian-private postings to gmail

2006-05-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Kevin B. McCarty writes (Re: sending debian-private postings to gmail): Ian Jackson wrote: [snip] distributed to computers whose owners and operators cannot be expected to refrain from processing the content in other ways

Re: alternatives and priorities

2006-05-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Wouter Verhelst writes (alternatives and priorities): Fixing this wasn't very hard, but it made me consider why we let a maintainer decide what the alternative priority of an editor would be. I have a suggestion: how about we make it a rule that to provide a new alternative with a greater

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Michal Politowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 18 May 2006 22:38:08 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: [...] 3. Make sh an alternative dash already optionally diverts it. Isn't it good enough? Both of these are a really bad idea. If anything goes wrong at the wrong moment, /bin/sh would be

Re: use of invoke-rc.d $PACKAGE stop || exit $? in prerm scripts

2006-06-01 Thread Ian Jackson
Florian Weimer writes (Re: use of invoke-rc.d $PACKAGE stop || exit $? in prerm scripts): Ian Jackson: If the old package's prerm fails, dpkg tries the version from the new package instead, precisely to avoid this problem. See the policy manual for details. And this doesn't help

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread Ian Jackson
Mike Bird writes (Re: Sun Java available from non-free): Non-freeness is a red herring. The issue is that a small cabal - - a small cabal operating outside its field of expertise - has placed Debian in the position of indemnifying Sun. This is obviously not possible. Debian is not a legal

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-07 Thread Ian Jackson
John Goerzen writes (Re: Sun Java available from non-free): Also, I should add that agreeing to a license that commits SPI to indemnify Sun Who is purporting to commit SPI to indemnifying Sun ? AFAICT ftpmasters are indemnifying Sun. This is silly of them but probably not actually fatal.

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-07 Thread Ian Jackson
John Goerzen writes (Re: Who can make binding legal agreements): First, I don't believe that SPI has ever granted anyone the ability to enter into legally-binding agreements to indemnify (which means to use our resources to defend) third parties. I may be mistaken, though. Could you please

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-07 Thread Ian Jackson
John Goerzen writes (Re: Who can make binding legal agreements): The first paragraph of the license linked to by the original announcement: SUN MICROSYSTEMS, INC. (SUN) IS WILLING TO LICENSE THE JAVA PLATFORM STANDARD EDITION DEVELOPER KIT (JDK - THE SOFTWARE) TO YOU ONLY Yes, but who is

Re: Non-DD's in debian-legal

2006-06-07 Thread Ian Jackson
Jeremy Hankins writes (Non-DD's in debian-legal): I'm not sure I understand this part, though. Do you think that folks like myself, who are not DD's, should not participate in the discussions on d-l? Actually, I think they should not participate, in general. The arguments that are had on

Re: Renaming a package

2006-06-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Daniel Kobras writes (Re: Renaming a package): but the alternative patch to dpkg is quite simple (see below). Alas, it changes current behaviour. I don't think it this patch is correct as is, but something similar might not be unreasonable if it had to be turned on with a command line option.

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-09 Thread Ian Jackson
John Goerzen writes (Re: Who can make binding legal agreements): * If a member project engages in activities that would jeopardize SPI's classification as a non-profit entity Things of that kind would be using SPI property or funds for unsuitable activities. Note that if Debian do it

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-09 Thread Ian Jackson
John Goerzen writes (Re: Who can make binding legal agreements): The other plausible interpretation is that SPI *is* on the hook, as the legal entity that owns servers that are distributing software. If you use your shell account at your ISP to distribute software, and the ISP concludes you

Re: severities of blocking bugs

2006-06-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Manoj Srivastava writes (Re: severities of blocking bugs): Well, consider this. If there is a feature someone wants from a package, say kernel-pack^H^H^H^Hfoo. [most of scenario snipped -iwj] Can one now change the wishlist bug to grave as well? I think not, since the

Re: Renaming a package

2006-06-14 Thread Ian Jackson
Daniel Kobras writes (Re: Renaming a package): On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 02:15:06PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: I don't think it this patch is correct as is, but something similar might not be unreasonable if it had to be turned on with a command line option. [Context: When renaming

Re: severities of blocking bugs

2006-06-14 Thread Ian Jackson
Thomas Bushnell BSG writes (Re: severities of blocking bugs): Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As opposed to writing to demand that the maintainer spend their free time to help you fix your problem ! How does adjusting the severity of a bug report amount to a demand

Re: A question on setting setuid bit

2006-07-07 Thread Ian Jackson
LEE, Yui-wah (Clement) writes (A question on setting setuid bit): I am building a package in which one of the binary has to have the setuid and setgid bits set. I wonder which one of the following two is the more appropriate method to use? Forgive my scepticism, but which package, and why ?

Re: A question on setting setuid bit

2006-07-10 Thread Ian Jackson
LEE, Yui-wah (Clement) writes (Re: A question on setting setuid bit): This is an experimental package that we built and evaluate internally (up to this moment). The program that needs setuid is a cgi-bin program that is invoked by apache2, which runs as a regular user www-data. The cgi-bin

Re: cdrtools

2006-07-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Erast Benson writes (Re: cdrtools): Joerg clearly stands that: 1) Makefiles != scripts or at least it is unclear whether Makefiles may be called scripts: GPL §3 requires the scripts for compilation to be provided but as a first note, it is unclear whether Makefiles may be called

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Bill Allombert writes (Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5): Here the list of packages involved in circular dependencies listed by maintainers. Didn't we already have the conversation where we explained that there is nothing necessarily wrong with a circular dependency ? Ian. --

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Manoj Srivastava writes (Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5): I see you have not fully followed through on reading policy here: [quote] Quite. Clearly, dpkg authors have read all of policy, including the caveats about circular dependencies. This is

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Loïc Minier writes (Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5): I fail to see how the circular depends between tasksel and tasksel-data would cause any bug though. I agree it's best to fix circular deps in general, but it's not necessarily required each time. You persist in using

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Henning Glawe writes (Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5): Well, the problem with circular deps is not caused by dpkg but by the way apt calls it: Ahh. Well, perhaps apt should be fixed, as you say. Personally I (still!) don't use it on my own systems. Ian. -- To

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Osamu Aoki writes (Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5): Just curious ... dselect with dpkg-ftp ? Yes. It does need some handholding and the need to dpkg -iGROEB its download area repeatedly is annoying but it's very reliable in the sense that (if you are happy to drive dselect)

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Josselin Mouette writes (Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5): Le lundi 24 juillet 2006 à 17:15 +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit : Of course particular instances of circular dependencies might be problematic. I would try to avoid it other than in closely coupled sets of packages

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Goswin von Brederlow writes (Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5): So you seem to be all for cleaning out that mad stuff, right? Absolutely. Lets all get on with the list initialiy posted and fix those circular depends or note why they are required. I agree that there are many

Re: virtual packages `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11'

2006-08-01 Thread Ian Jackson
Tatsuya Kinoshita writes (Re: virtual packages `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11'): Hmm, I have not yet understand the policy 3.6: | All packages should use virtual package names where appropriate, and | arrange to create new ones if necessary. They should not use virtual |

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-04 Thread Ian Jackson
Matthew Palmer writes (Re: Centralized darcs): diff.gz archaeology should not be necessary. I think this is the root of the key difference between the `like patch systems' people and the `hate patch systems' people. `Hate patch systems' people are those who can read code, and prefer

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Josselin Mouette writes (Re: Centralized darcs): Maybe you shouldn't assume all people who like to code and debug aren't clueful enough to run diff. Putting my changes in a patch is the most useful way to integrate them in a Debian package *and* to forward them upstream. It is far less complex

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Russ Allbery writes (Re: Centralized darcs): In my experience, the key difference between whether or not I want to use a patch system like quilt is whether I have an upstream to which I need to feed self-contained patches that may go unapplied for extended periods of time. When I'm in that

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Anthony Towns writes (glibc and UNACCEPTs): ... how we can avoid this class of problem in future, given the safety net that caught us this time is going away? Ideally, there would be some automatic checks that could spot `probably erroneous' uploads, and which you would mention in your .changes

Re: Silly Packaging Problem

2006-08-11 Thread Ian Jackson
Bruce Sass writes (Re: Silly Packaging Problem): files and size accommodate the desire to include generated or packageless files and their size (if knowable) in the dpkg DB. This is a bad idea. dpkg maintains these lists of files not primarily for the purpose of dpkg -S, but rather for making

Re: dpkg doing wrong math (0.09 = 0.9) ?- [was: dak now supports ~ in version numbers]

2006-08-11 Thread Ian Jackson
Michael Biebl writes (dpkg doing wrong math (0.09 = 0.9) ?- [was: dak now supports ~ in version numbers]): Reading this announcement I thought, great and wanted to start using '~', only to discover that dpkg believes that 0.09+0.1.svn 0.1~svn. 1.) Wait for a 0.10 release. I think my users

Bug#1500: adduser makes a .bash_profile in the invoking user's directory

1995-09-28 Thread Ian Jackson
I reported that adduser creates a .bash_profile file in the invoking user's current directory. On examining the code, it seems that if /etc/skel contains a .login or a .profile it will write those too. Below is a patch that I believe will fix the problem. It also adds a new feature: after

Re: FTP arrangement

1995-09-28 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Murdock writes (Re: FTP arrangement): Date: Tue, 26 Sep 95 12:03 BST From: Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm confused. I thought we had an incrementally upgradeable system ? What is the purpose of the extra directory ? [ bleeding edge vs. stable ] Ah, it becomes much

Re: problems with elv-vi package install

1995-09-28 Thread Ian Jackson
Dick Arnold writes (Re: problems with elv-vi package install): [...] I had problems installing elv-vi also and found out when using update alternatives you also need debian/binary/devel/perl-5.003.deb. I think update alternatives needs /usr/lib/perl5/POSIX.pm which is in the above mentioned

Bug#1502: Uniform lists in debian.control

1995-09-28 Thread Ian Jackson
Erick Branderhorst writes (Bug#1502: Uniform lists in debian.control): Package: ltxtool ltxgraph termical mtools wu-ftpd All the above listed packages have a list of items in their description in debian.control. In order to improve dselect and how it is presented to the user it would

Bug#1503: How to remove fvwmr5

1995-09-28 Thread Ian Jackson
Erick Branderhorst writes (Bug#1503: How to remove fvwmr5): Package: fvwmR5 Version: 1.24r- Libc: libc.so.4.6.27 Kernel etc: Linux eb 1.2.10 #1 Tue Jun 13 18:37:28 EST 1995 i486 Reporter: repair 0.1 Subject: How to deinstall fvwmR5 I tried the following commands but no luck. # dpkg

Very weird stuff on ftp.debian.org

1995-09-28 Thread Ian Jackson
I have quite a backlog of failed uploads from my cron job. There seems to be some kind of very strange thing going on: $ cd / $ echo ~ /home/debian.org/accounts/iwj $ cd home $ ls -al total 4 dr-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Sep 28 22:41 . drwxr-xr-x 24 root wheel 1024 Sep 27 16:53 ..

Bug#1500: adduser makes a .bash_profile in the invoking user's directory

1995-09-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Here is a better version of my patch, which also supplies the home directory to adduser.local. Ian. --- /usr/sbin/adduser Mon Jul 10 02:10:53 1995 +++ /usr/local/sbin/adduser Thu Sep 28 19:31:07 1995 @@ -671,14 +671,14 @@ $this_file = $home_dir . / . $file;

Bug#1496: dpkg returns to dselect on SIGSTOP

1995-09-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Murdock writes (Bug#1496: dpkg returns to dselect on SIGSTOP): Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 20:28 BST From: Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was using dselect for the first time (for real), and it is very, very nice. However, while it was upgrading my bash.deb, it stopped

Re: virtual packages and X11 vs. X11Rspecific_number

1995-09-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Murdock writes (Re: virtual packages and X11 vs. X11Rspecific_number): Well, the X11R5 and X11R6 libraries weren't compatible, and it is likely the X11R6 and X11R7 libraries won't be, either. In this case, the packages will have to be updated. We don't want people thinking they can use

Re: Very weird stuff on ftp.debian.org

1995-09-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Murdock writes (Re: Very weird stuff on ftp.debian.org): I noticed this today, too, but I forgot about it until now. Basically, after logging in and noticing Permission denied, I did a cd /, and then a cd, and everything appeared to work normally after that. It shouldn't be happening,

Re: diald for Debian

1995-09-29 Thread Ian Jackson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes (Re: diald for Debian ): I haven't been able to upload diald yet. I see the server is back, but I see no Incoming directory (this is where the other Ian suggested I upload the package). Also, he mentioned using dchanges ... but I can see no dchanges in binary/misc

Re: Very weird stuff on ftp.debian.org

1995-09-29 Thread Ian Jackson
David Brinks writes (Re: Very weird stuff on ftp.debian.org): Give your cron a shot again, Ian. [...] It succeeded some time earlier today, but I've only just got around to answering my mail. Thanks for getting it fixed. The new trn, dpkg and texinfo packages are now available in

Re: FTP archive

1995-09-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Michael E. Deisher writes (Re: FTP archive): On Thu, 28 Sep 95 19:20 EST, Ian Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: auto-pgp is not pgp. It is still under GPL. Please move it back into the distribution. Ian Jackson is the author. You can ask him yourself if you are in doubt

Re: Bug#1508: Segmentation fault while installing...

1995-09-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Karl Ferguson writes (Bug#1508: Segmentation fault while installing...): [...] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:2:/pub/linux/debian/debian-0.93/binary/base] dpkg -i adduser- 1.94-1.deb (Reading database ... 6380 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace adduser (using

dpkg approaching 1.0 and non-beta status

1995-09-30 Thread Ian Jackson
There are a number of things I want to do to dpkg, but I think they all count as extra features, rather than bugfixes. I therefore propose to call dpkg non-beta very shortly, and issue version 1.0.0. NB that dpkg version numbers will then no longer have any apparent resemblance to Debian release

Re: Sizes and Packages in dselect

1995-10-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Erick Branderhorst writes (Sizes and Packages in dselect): * diskspace requirements (displayed/registered) [...] This is on the wishlist, and I think I know how to support it. This will become more difficult when the different directory's where parts of the packages are going to are mounted

Bug#1511: Packages vs. packages for ms-dos compatability

1995-10-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Bill Mitchell writes (Bug#1511: Packages vs. packages for ms-dos compatability): PACKAGE: dpkg (and the ftp site) The Packages and Packages.gz files do not have ms-dos compatible filenames. Depending on the tools used, manipulating these files on, MSDOS filesystems can be a problem. I

Bug#1497: acct-alpha-5-7 problems

1995-10-01 Thread Ian Jackson
Dirk Eddelbuettel writes (Bug#1497: acct-alpha-5-7 problems): Marek - trying to start accounting again when it is already running gives Marek a message Process accounting not available on this system, which Marek is a bit confusing (I suggest not to redirect stderr from accton to Marek

Re: 0.93r6 sysadmin user account prompt (and smail config)

1995-10-01 Thread Ian Jackson
Bill Mitchell writes (0.93r6 sysadmin user account prompt (and smail config)): 0.93r5 prompted for a non-root admin account name. 0.93r6 has dropped this. I just thought I'd comment on this. smail is one of the default packages and, though it allows postmaster mail to be set up to go to

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