Restoring the removed e16 package

2012-08-24 Thread The Wanderer
stable release, what further requirements and/or deadlines would I need to keep in mind as I work on this, and what possible further procedures (beyond those in the new-package documentation) would I need to follow? -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree

Re: Restoring the removed e16 package

2012-08-28 Thread The Wanderer
On 08/28/2012 06:51 AM, Ian Jackson wrote: The Wanderer writes (Restoring the removed e16 package): I'm not positive whether this properly belongs here; if it would be more appropriate on another mailing list, just let me know which one. On this point, I've already been advised (by Bart

Re: Stuff from /bin, /sbin, /lib depending on /usr/lib libraries

2012-09-02 Thread The Wanderer
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Re: major linux problems summary 2012

2012-11-12 Thread The Wanderer
specifically intended to run Linux. I haven't used one myself, but they look like a good outfit from what I can see, and the laptops look decent within the somewhat limited selection available. -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any side

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-14 Thread The Wanderer
to perfect-for-its-purpose the program may already have been. Change is not always bad; in fact, it's very often good. But change isn't always good either, and refusal of change isn't always simple obstinacy or stagnation. -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I

Re: Do not CC me

2012-11-25 Thread The Wanderer
that messages from the list in my archive are consistent), even if I've already received the off-list copy, but in my experience the Message-IDs of the two variants of the message are very often identical. -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any side

Re: Do not CC me

2012-11-26 Thread The Wanderer
in not changing the Message-ID when modifying a message for mailing-list retransmission, but that's a long-established practice and there are very likely reasons for it. -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any side of it. Every time you let somebody

Re: Do not CC me

2012-11-26 Thread The Wanderer
On 11/26/2012 08:22 AM, Andrew Shadura wrote: Hello, On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:07:03 -0500 The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: Gmail does something similar, except not time-limited; it won't even re-send you a copy of a mail you send to a mailing list. This is apparently on the grounds

Re: Feedback

2012-12-25 Thread The Wanderer
right - sarge was assigned version 3.1, for example, and other non-'x.0' releases have been made in the past - but that seems more like an argument that someone might actually make. -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any side of it. Every time

Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-03 Thread The Wanderer
.) So either I'm not understanding what you mean by this description, or what you're describing doesn't seem to be happening on my system. -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any side of it. Every time you let somebody set a limit they start

Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-04 Thread The Wanderer
On 01/04/2013 09:15 AM, Thomas Preud'homme wrote: Le vendredi 4 janvier 2013 05:44:57, The Wanderer a écrit : That doesn't seem to match my experience. I most commonly encounter apt-listbugs bug lists via 'apt-get dist-upgrade'. If I say no in response to the list of bugs, and then run 'apt

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-22 Thread The Wanderer
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Re: Bootstrapping: list of 81 self-cycles in Debian Sid

2013-03-05 Thread The Wanderer
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Re: Bootstrapping: list of 81 self-cycles in Debian Sid

2013-03-06 Thread The Wanderer
On 03/05/2013 10:46 AM, Johannes Schauer wrote: Hi, Quoting The Wanderer (2013-03-05 15:35:37) You can build either one without a matching version of the other, but you won't get full functionality. In order to get the full functionality of both, from what I've been able to tell you need

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread The Wanderer
to take two. You pay for that convenience by sacrificing the convenience of being able to close the lid *without* suspending, but which inconvenience is the greater depends on your usage patterns, and different people may well prefer to sacrifice different ones. -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread The Wanderer
and filesystems created by hand. -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any side of it. Every time you let somebody set a limit they start moving it. - LiveJournal user antonia_tiger -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: upgraded systems won't boot from UUID volumes

2013-04-07 Thread The Wanderer
desktop doesn't. It may or may not be relevant that I have grub-pc held on my desktop at version 1.99-17; I believe this was originally due to the existence of bugs which claimed that upgrading could/would break the boot, but by now it may be due more to inertia than to anything else. -- The Wanderer

Re: Interactive package management via aptitude

2013-04-09 Thread The Wanderer
don't know why not), and since dealing with the limitations of apt-get is far less aggravating for me than dealing with the attempted cleverness of aptitude, I find the older program by far the more preferable solution. -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-06 Thread The Wanderer
of release goals seems like an appropriate way of raising its profile (and/or its priority) in pursuit of that. -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any side of it. Every time you let somebody set a limit they start moving it. - LiveJournal user

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-08 Thread The Wanderer
it, and under that scenario moving to merge /usr with / (in either direction) seems like a very sensible thing to do. -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any side of it. Every time you let somebody set a limit they start moving

Re: Depends: libfoo:foreign ???

2013-05-13 Thread The Wanderer
of other things.) -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any side of it. Every time you let somebody set a limit they start moving it. - LiveJournal user antonia_tiger -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-13 Thread The Wanderer
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Re: Depends: libfoo:foreign ???

2013-05-13 Thread The Wanderer
On 05/13/2013 09:46 AM, Wookey wrote: +++ The Wanderer [2013-05-13 07:55 -0400]: For the full 64+32 Wine, I don't believe this is possible - or if it is possible, no way of doing it has yet been documented that I know of. The official Wine documentation of how to build that configuration

Re: Depends: libfoo:foreign ???

2013-05-13 Thread The Wanderer
On 05/13/2013 10:22 AM, The Wanderer wrote: On 05/13/2013 09:46 AM, Wookey wrote: Hmm. Do the parts of the 64-bit tree that the 32-bit side compiles against end up installed in a final installation (as libraries?) or are they really just intermediate 'during build' items? They do end up

Re: Depends: libfoo:foreign ???

2013-05-13 Thread The Wanderer
On 05/13/2013 10:31 AM, The Wanderer wrote: On 05/13/2013 10:22 AM, The Wanderer wrote: On 05/13/2013 09:46 AM, Wookey wrote: Hmm. Do the parts of the 64-bit tree that the 32-bit side compiles against end up installed in a final installation (as libraries?) or are they really just

Re: Depends: libfoo:foreign ???

2013-05-13 Thread The Wanderer
On 05/13/2013 11:00 AM, Wookey wrote: +++ The Wanderer [2013-05-13 10:22 -0400]: On 05/13/2013 09:46 AM, Wookey wrote: OK. I'd like to understand some more about this, as it's a similar issue to other cross-compiler toolchains, and if we can't solve both the same way then our design

Re: Depends: libfoo:foreign ???

2013-05-14 Thread The Wanderer
On 05/14/2013 09:34 AM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 07:55:30AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: If I'm correctly understanding what's being described here, I would think that the full-functionality 64+32 Wine would probably be another exception (unless it falls under

Re: Depends: libfoo:foreign ???

2013-05-17 Thread The Wanderer
the conclusion that further work on this would probably be better done in the context of the Debian Wine packaging team, if not (for some parts of it) Wine upstream... -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any side of it. Every time you let somebody set

Re: Switching to mozilla ESR in stable-security

2013-06-02 Thread The Wanderer
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Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-05 Thread The Wanderer
, the odds of anyone ever bothering (much less of its ever being tested in court) are exceedingly slim. -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any side of it. Every time you let somebody set a limit they start moving it. - LiveJournal user

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-06 Thread The Wanderer
(and Uoti's) point seems to have been to warn people about that fact, and thereby warn them about the potential pitfalls of relying on the legal interpretation that Linus was using. -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any side of it. Every time you

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-15 Thread The Wanderer
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Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-15 Thread The Wanderer
On 07/15/2013 09:43 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On 07/15/2013 03:00 PM, The Wanderer wrote: My personal objections to systemd come down to the fact that I don't trust its developers / maintainers. Part of that is bleedover from the fact that I've so far had only poor experiences

Re: Pulseaudio (was ... Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports)

2013-07-17 Thread The Wanderer
On 07/17/2013 03:05 AM, Ondřej Surý wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:44:21AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: My most recent experience with PulseAudio came when I noticed that WoW (run through Wine) was producing

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-18 Thread The Wanderer
produces, either. ...except when you need its functionality, and there's lock-in preventing you from (sufficiently easily) switching to some alternative. Which may be relevant to the case at hand. -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any side

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-20 Thread The Wanderer
and talk it to ourselves, and anyone else who wants to talk to us has to learn our language, not intending to imply undocumented or legally restricted or anything of the sort. This isn't a very good term for what I mean, but I couldn't find a better one. -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-21 Thread The Wanderer
On 07/21/2013 05:04 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le samedi 20 juillet 2013 à 19:21 -0400, The Wanderer a écrit : [I am almost certainly going to regret this.] I hope so. Please don't be a jerk. Making the switch away from the entrenched sysvinit is visibly very difficult, at least

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-21 Thread The Wanderer
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Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-21 Thread The Wanderer
job than just implementing a new init system. -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any side of it. Every time you let somebody set a limit they start moving it. - LiveJournal user antonia_tiger -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-22 Thread The Wanderer
On 07/22/2013 02:52 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] The Wanderer If someone implementing a new alternative wanted to retain the other tools with which systemd integrates, that person would have to match their interfaces, which might limit the functionality the new alternative could be able

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-22 Thread The Wanderer
On 07/22/2013 08:48 AM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: On 21 July 2013 20:22, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: I'm saying that it looks to me as if the lock-in to systemd would be even stronger than the lock-in to sysvinit, and might well extend to the point of even making it harder to implement

Re: Preventing government subversion in Debian, verification of binary package uploads

2013-08-25 Thread The Wanderer
of court, AIUI) may have been not for shutting down the site or for refusing to comply but for effectively violating a gag order about the whole thing by the way he explained that - and why - he was shutting down. -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree

Re: Removing some kernel-related virtual packages

2013-09-26 Thread The Wanderer
exists, without preventing root from manually overriding it. If the stated goal is to avoid having e.g. /boot fill up with cruft short of manual intervention, then at a glance, the mechanism which these files provide does not seem to interfere with that goal. -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply

Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME

2013-10-27 Thread The Wanderer
understand, some people seem to think a decision is needed to make or not make systemd the default in Debian. Have I missed anything or got anything wrong? With the above modifications, looks about accurate to me, for whatever that may be worth. -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue

Re: Bug#732159: Should this package be removed?

2013-12-16 Thread The Wanderer
, but there aren't very many such things anymore. In any case, wouldn't this be more work than updating the MPlayer package(s) to use the current upstream release? - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN

Re: Bug#732159: Should this package be removed?

2013-12-21 Thread The Wanderer
or similar) if someone did want to do the packaging work for FFmpeg. However, I'm not sure that statement didn't come from the Ubuntu side of things, so it may not have ever applied to Debian per se. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its

Re: Bug#732159: Should this package be removed?

2013-12-21 Thread The Wanderer
that would involve most of the same work as getting MPlayer itself working again and probably more into the bargain - so if you're going to do the work anyway, why not retain both? - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control

Re: Delegation for the Release Team

2013-12-26 Thread The Wanderer
mechanism is needed, or come up with one that is not tied to a release - or at least not to the authority of the release team. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG

Re: Delegation for the Release Team

2013-12-26 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/26/2013 09:35 AM, Adam D. Barratt wrote: On Thu, 2013-12-26 at 09:02 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: It's seemed intuitively obvious to me that a release goal could equally be defined as a new criterion by which a package can be judged

Re: Bug#735927: general: X *always* crashes when ram is full

2014-01-20 Thread The Wanderer
includes spec-sheet information and detailed benchmark results. Glancing over them again, I'm not surprised by this described result from that drive; there are other SSDs that might do much better. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens

Re: Bug#735927: general: X *always* crashes when ram is full

2014-01-20 Thread The Wanderer
another variable and likely improve performance, these drives were specifically chosen because they were top performers in their capacity class at the time - and with SSDs, higher capacity generally performs better anyway. So this may not be a particularly valuable datapoint. - -- The Wanderer

Re: SSDs have extra unused space???

2014-01-21 Thread The Wanderer
a basic fact of flash memory. Is there something I've missed? - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http

Re: Bug#727708: Fsck SystemD and its developers and its users. GR to override this please.

2014-02-11 Thread The Wanderer
to not be distrustful seems to me to be lacking an essential foundation. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http

Re: Bug#727708: Fsck SystemD and its developers and its users. GR to override this please.

2014-02-11 Thread The Wanderer
it is of a binary one, when working without known-reliable documentation. (And I'm not willing to assume that I'll always have such documentation.) There's a *reason* the vast majority of kernel userspace-interface files are in plain-text form, after all. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning

Re: Bug#727708: Fsck SystemD and its developers and its users. GR to override this please.

2014-02-12 Thread The Wanderer
, but Just because X, that does not mean Y. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJS

Re: Bug#727708: Fsck SystemD and its developers and its users. GR to override this please.

2014-02-12 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 02/11/2014 12:38 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm writes: In my case: because I want to be able to read them conveniently at a glance, without requiring the presence of a functioning specialized tool for doing so

Trust and systemd (was Re: Bug#727708, et cetera)

2014-02-12 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 02/11/2014 10:15 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 09:05:48AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: I do not trust the systemd project to not do things I consider bad or even insane, because they've already done such things

FFmpeg vs. libav packaging (was Re: Proposal: SystemD.pushers/forcers, et cetera)

2014-02-13 Thread The Wanderer
that and that's the way it is... Quite true, which is at least one-third of the reason I didn't speak up against the switch to libav at the time when it happened. Reinhard preferred it, and he was the one doing the work. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve

Re: systemd's journal

2014-02-16 Thread The Wanderer
of rsyslogd), or does it flow from source to journald to syslog? (Or something else? Or am I missing / making an assumption that turns this into a stupid question?) - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP

Re: systemd's journal

2014-02-16 Thread The Wanderer
that I've overlooked...) - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTATQSAAoJEASpNY00KDJrSJYP

Re: default init on non-Linux platforms

2014-02-19 Thread The Wanderer
- -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTBNSBAAoJEASpNY00KDJrxTkP/2JtWJDGwrw+EXNaUBE5fFv

Re: default init on non-Linux platforms

2014-02-23 Thread The Wanderer
it breaks my reflexive attempts to tab-complete 'popd' when I'm root.) - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

Re: systemd and Linux are *fundamentally incompatible* - and I can prove it

2014-03-30 Thread The Wanderer
as installing one set of packages rather than another. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

Re: systemd and Linux are *fundamentally incompatible* - and I can prove it

2014-03-30 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 03/30/2014 10:57 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 03/30/2014 08:02 PM, The Wanderer wrote: If it's been decided to continue to require package maintainers to provide traditional init scripts as well as systemd unit files - e.g. for Debian's

Re: Debian default desktop environment

2014-04-04 Thread The Wanderer
on context, of course; in a Web forum where the message being replied to is probably still visible when reading the reply, quoting would be inapproriate. But we're talking about E-mail here.) - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens

Re: Debian default desktop environment

2014-04-04 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 04/04/2014 03:39 PM, Marc Haber wrote: On Fri, 04 Apr 2014 10:04:37 -0400, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: (Depending on context, of course; in a Web forum where the message being replied to is probably still visible when reading

Re: Non-source Javascript files in upstream source

2014-05-03 Thread The Wanderer
for instead of of might work considerably better. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

Re: Non-source Javascript files in upstream source

2014-05-07 Thread The Wanderer
visible) in the source package, listing all files - or, when applicable, directories - which should be ignored because the package build uses external ones. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP

Re: systemd-fsck?

2014-05-09 Thread The Wanderer
basis, whereas the init system is system-wide. It might still be considered as a potential counterexample, however. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using

Re: systemd-fsck?

2014-05-09 Thread The Wanderer
. It still shouldn't be treated as the same thing as a simple version upgrade, however. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-11 Thread The Wanderer
.) - -- The Wanderer (me too!) Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTb2x/AAoJEASpNY00KDJrUfcP

Re: Avoiding systemd

2014-05-11 Thread The Wanderer
of people who are in a position to observe and participate in (or at least jump into) such a discussion have those concerns, yes. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1

Re: systemd-fsck?

2014-05-12 Thread The Wanderer
that, unless we assume bad faith (i.e. trolling or otherwise anti-constructive bug reports), if someone files a bug report about a configuration it presumably means they're wanting to use it... - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-13 Thread The Wanderer
that way; it's entirely possible that any given one of them, or even all of them, may be operating entirely in good faith at all times. That doesn't change what it looks like from outside, though, which is what leads to views and comments like the one quoted above. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy

Re: systemd-fsck?

2014-05-14 Thread The Wanderer
mounted to be quite surprising. At the bare minimum, I would expect to need to terminate the rescue shell ('exit' or Ctrl-D) before any such thing would occur. In fact, I would consider the need to do so to be desirable. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government

Re: so, systemd now and teh world still turns...

2014-06-05 Thread The Wanderer
seems to actually cooperate with it. Consequently, I'd have been more inclined to call package holding fragile than to do so with APT pinning. What leads you to the opposite conclusion? - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens

Re: sysvinit is still here, and here to stay for jessie (was Re: systemd is here to stay, get over it now)

2014-07-03 Thread The Wanderer
releases could successfully be used that way, after all; I've done it with at least one of them. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla

Re: sysvinit is still here, and here to stay for jessie (was Re: systemd is here to stay, get over it now)

2014-07-03 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/03/2014 11:53 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm writes: I, for one, would be highly displeased if a routine dist-upgrade to testing required me to reboot to avoid having things break. I generally dist-upgrade

Re: sysvinit is still here, and here to stay for jessie (was Re: systemd is here to stay, get over it now)

2014-07-04 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/04/2014 04:52 AM, Philip Hands wrote: The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm writes: ... particularly because I use rather fewer things than many other people, and don't use most fancy GUI elements. (For example, I don't have a graphical

Re: sysvinit is still here, and here to stay for jessie (was Re: systemd is here to stay, get over it now)

2014-07-04 Thread The Wanderer
like where this is going. To be fair, I don't think anyone has suggested that reboots would be required on a repeated basis - only on the initial transition. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP

Re: sysvinit is still here, and here to stay for jessie (was Re: systemd is here to stay, get over it now)

2014-07-04 Thread The Wanderer
/ postpone the upgrade. One of the things people have been asking for, when it comes to systemd, is such a warning in the form of a debconf prompt; however, there seems to be resistance to that idea, and indeed I'm not sure it hasn't been outright rejected. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-07-07 Thread The Wanderer
(e.g. even within one's own organization) without either making a false statement in the license or violating the license? If it would mean that, then wouldn't this license be considered non-free? - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread The Wanderer
forcing HTTPS in the way which people in this thread are objecting to, would seem to require changing all of those clients - a much, much bigger proposition than the administrators of any one server can practically tackle. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government

Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-10 Thread The Wanderer
. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJT6AhUAAoJEASpNY00KDJrn7wQAKwL0NtO1eyDinasWL0UkOhG

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-14 Thread The Wanderer
in without having been reviewed by someone other than the author, this was apparently deemed an unacceptable condition. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-15 Thread The Wanderer
that it's a lot harder for someone not intimately involved with the project to follow discussion if it happens in such a variety of places, and there's value to be found in making sure that everything passes through one central (discussion-enabled) point before landing. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy

Re: Base binary packages using xz instead of gzip

2014-09-01 Thread The Wanderer
/ decompression is available. Unless debootstrap relies on the outside source to perform that decompression, of course, but in that case I'm not sure what it would even mean to say that debootstrap supports xz in the first place. - -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean

Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing

2014-09-05 Thread The Wanderer
init system for jessie, and possibly clarifying that more officially on a broader scale for future reference? - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1

Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing

2014-09-05 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/05/2014 at 07:26 AM, The Wanderer wrote: On 09/05/2014 at 04:57 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote: Noel Torres wrote: So we are clearly failing to follow the least surprise (for the user) path. Should not logind depend on systemd-shim

Re: systemd, again (Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing)

2014-09-05 Thread The Wanderer
done. Alternately, it should be possible to pin systemd-sysv to not installed, even when no such package as systemd-sysv exists - and then dist-upgrade should be able to figure out the necessary dependency resolution. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists

Re: systemd, again (Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing)

2014-09-08 Thread The Wanderer
in conflicting understandings of that meaning, and it looked as if the current discussion might be getting closer to clarifying people's conflicting understandings - which can only help, even if no official Debian position as to the meaning is decided on. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning

Re: Bug#762116: marked as done (general: Some packages depend on a particular init system)

2014-09-21 Thread The Wanderer
that something outside of the init system might legitimately want to depend on - unless that feature is also implemented equally in a standalone form. - -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore

Re: bash exorcism experiment ('bug' 762923 763012)

2014-10-07 Thread The Wanderer
people use to build and test their packages, and nothing else) was what you were proposing in the first place. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-14 Thread The Wanderer
of statistics. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-15 Thread The Wanderer
does appear to agree that it would be a bug, but a minor one at best. Thus, definitions vary, Q.E.D.. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man

Re: uploads to unstable in times of freeze (was Re: debconf as a registry)

2014-10-19 Thread The Wanderer
at all, and has never been in unstable before? Because I wouldn't expect so, and I thought that such a package was what we were talking about here. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all

Re: piece of mind

2014-10-21 Thread The Wanderer
they wanted to use it, because it made their life easier. is arguably (but IMO often) legitimate. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man

aptitude dependency-resolver behaviors (was Re: apt-get install sysvinit-core removes gnome?)

2014-10-21 Thread The Wanderer
* before proposing ones which do. That does not seem remotely reasonable, to me. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard

Re: piece of mind

2014-10-21 Thread The Wanderer
On 10/21/2014 at 10:03 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote: The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: This is the problem. The init system should not be providing features which other software might, post-boot and pre-shutdown, want to make use of. (AFAIK sysvinit never did, and most - possibly all

Re: piece of mind

2014-10-21 Thread The Wanderer
necessarily believe it holds. Only because the Wanderer is a troll, doesn't mean that everything he says is wrong. I object to being characterized as a troll. I'm not trying to stir things up or incite a furor or the like, nor am I posting to cause a reaction for my own amusement, nor am I saying

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