Re: Bug#829076: general: Random freezes but the mouse can still move
The Wanderer writes: > On 2017-02-26 at 09:01, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > >> * John Cuffs tells Lee to "shut the fuck up", and quotes a spam that >> isn't visible (anymore?) in the bug log. > > Just to note: this almost certainly wasn't actually addressing any of > the thread participants, and also probably wasn't posted by John Cuffs. > > This is a standard form of spam that I've been seeing on mailing lists; > my assessment of the form indicates that the "original" spam message was > never actually sent, the spammer is instead sending a fake "reply" which > quotes the spam message and has headers (etc.) as if it were a response > by J. Random Netizen to a message already posted in some random > thread. I think you are mistaken. Having seen both the noise on lists, and having on a couple of occasions also received the same (pre-reply) directly to me, I would think that what happens is that the spammer lifts the headers from a legitimate list mail, and replaces its body with their drivel. The (often rude) replies we see on the lists are almost certainly from misguided folk who look at the headers and think that they have been subscribed to one of our lists, and probably think that our lists are a mechanism for sending spam -- not realising that the mail they got actually never touched our servers, but simply copied the headers from a genuine message. I presume spammers are doing this because it is likely that a lot of people have our list/bug mail as a significant contribution to the HAM corpus in their statistical filters. Sadly, I'm not sure there is much we can do to stop this, since it's all happening on other people's systems, so the first we hear about it is when someone becomes confused enough to reply angrily. Cheers, Phil. -- |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560] HANDS.COM Ltd. |-| http://www.hands.com/http://ftp.uk.debian.org/ |(| Hugo-Klemm-Strasse 34, 21075 Hamburg,GERMANY signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#829076: general: Random freezes but the mouse can still move
On 2017-02-26 at 09:01, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > * John Cuffs tells Lee to "shut the fuck up", and quotes a spam that > isn't visible (anymore?) in the bug log. Just to note: this almost certainly wasn't actually addressing any of the thread participants, and also probably wasn't posted by John Cuffs. This is a standard form of spam that I've been seeing on mailing lists; my assessment of the form indicates that the "original" spam message was never actually sent, the spammer is instead sending a fake "reply" which quotes the spam message and has headers (etc.) as if it were a response by J. Random Netizen to a message already posted in some random thread. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Bug#829076: general: Random freezes but the mouse can still move
(Reply-to points at me, I doubt there's any need for much discussion. If you disagree, tweak you headers accodingly.) On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 02:06:17PM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 01:00:03PM +, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: > > From: Lee Garrett > > To: 829076-cl...@bugs.debian.org > > Subject: close > > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) > > Gecko/20090817 Thunderbird/2.0.0.23 Mnenhy/0.7.6.666 > > > > close > > Why? Timeline of this bug: * John Muir reports problem on his computer (GUI freeze, details irrelevant right now). * Abou Al Montacir responds and tries to help. * Lee Garrett responds as well, suggesting one of the Debian support channels. * John Cuffs tells Lee to "shut the fuck up", and quotes a spam that isn't visible (anymore?) in the bug log. * Lee closes ticket. To me this looks like behaves like an unpleasant person, and Lee possibly confusing the two Johns with each other and closing the ticket under the assumption that John Muir doesn't want to be helped. In any case, I think Lee's first response is correct: the BTS isn't the best place to diagnose the problem. If a diagnosis is done and a reasonble culprit is found, an more realistically actionable bug report should be opened, and until then, closing this one seems OK, even disregarding John Cuffs's attempt to moderate the discussion. While I have your attention: it's February 26, and Sunday, so you should make a backup today and then verify that it works. -- I want to build worthwhile things that might last. --joeyh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#829076: general: Random freezes but the mouse can still move
On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 01:00:03PM +, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: > From: Lee Garrett > To: 829076-cl...@bugs.debian.org > Subject: close > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) > Gecko/20090817 Thunderbird/2.0.0.23 Mnenhy/0.7.6.666 > > close Why?
Processed: Re: Bug#829076: general: Random freezes but the mouse can still move
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > severity 829076 normal Bug #829076 [general] general: Random freezes but the mouse can still move Severity set to 'normal' from 'grave' > thanks Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. -- 829076: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=829076 Debian Bug Tracking System Contact ow...@bugs.debian.org with problems
Bug#829076: general: Random freezes but the mouse can still move
Hi John, thank you for coming forward with your problem, but I think a better approach for resolving your issue is to bring it up on IRC, or use the the debian-user mailing list to further debug the issue. Then, if your problem is not solved, but further narrowed down, you can provide better infos and file the bug against the respective package. The IRC channel is #debian on irc.oftc.net, and the mailing list you can find at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/. See you there! Greetings, Lee
Bug#829076: general: Random freezes but the mouse can still move
Hi John, On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 11:37:24 +0200 John wrote: > Package: general > Severity: grave > Justification: causes non-serious data loss > > I'm running the current 64-bit Debian with the Cinnamon desktop and have been experiencing 'freezes' for about > a month now. The mouse still moves around but clicking on any window produces no response. However right-clicking > on any window (eg Firefox) brings up the context menu for the desktop!?This looks more like a bug in the window manager rather than a general bug. I'd recommend to reassign it. > > I run a twin-screen set-up and looking at the screens which were timed-out I noticed that the times on the two > screens were different! One was reading 11:03 and the other 11:16!Like if one of the screens stop updating? > > After a few minutes both screens were frozen and I had to Ctrl+Alt+F1, kill the x-session-manager which resulted > in the login screen and the system wsudo gedit /var/log/syslogas usable again.. > > >From this I conclude that the problem is OS-related and not driver-related (as a twin-screen set-up is configured > in the OS).From this I conclude that the OS part (kernel and basic utilities) are still running correctly but the window manager stops dispatching events, maybe due to a buggy program catching the focus and incorrectly handling the X events. I'd recommend again to reassign this bug to the window manager package. There you will probably find a better chance to get help. -- Cheers, Abou Al Montacir signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#829076: general: Random freezes but the mouse can still move
Package: general Severity: grave Justification: causes non-serious data loss I'm running the current 64-bit Debian with the Cinnamon desktop and have been experiencing 'freezes' for about a month now. The mouse still moves around but clicking on any window produces no response. However right-clicking on any window (eg Firefox) brings up the context menu for the desktop!? I run a twin-screen set-up and looking at the screens which were timed-out I noticed that the times on the two screens were different! One was reading 11:03 and the other 11:16! After a few minutes both screens were frozen and I had to Ctrl+Alt+F1, kill the x-session-manager which resulted in the login screen and the system wsudo gedit /var/log/syslogas usable again.. >From this I conclude that the problem is OS-related and not driver-related (as >a twin-screen set-up is configured in the OS). -- System Information: Debian Release: 8.5 APT prefers stable-updates APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
