Re: FTP Policy Development

2018-03-07 Thread Steve Robbins
Sure I do understand how things work.  I'm not suggesting that ALL discussions 
need be public - specifically I was not meaning deliberations on any given 
case.  

But I do think that general policy discussions should involve the entire debian 
community - as is done for Debian Policy Manual.



On March 7, 2018 7:03:54 PM EST, Gunnar Wolf  wrote:
>Steve Robbins dijo [Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 01:15:35PM -0600]:
>> (...)
>> To me, one of the puzzling aspects is why the FTP policy work has
>been so 
>> secretive.  The release team has a mailing list, tech committee has a
>mailing 
>> list.  There is Debian Policy list.  It doesn't seem in congruence
>that the 
>> ftp team is making their policy behind closed doors.  Should it not
>flow from 
>> Debian Policy and be debated on open lists?
>> 
>> Or maybe it is all open and I simply haven't found it.  If so, I
>would 
>> gratefully accept pointers.  Concretely: where would one find the 
>> deliberations behind https://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html ?
>
>Ummm...
>
>Not that I know much about how ftp-masters work internally. But I have
>been on several other Debian teams. In general, all decisions are
>taken in the public - But it is by far not uncommon to resort to
>private communication for many of the non-obvious, contentious
>cases. There are *always* cases where you want to discuss something
>without the affected actors being part of the loop.
>
>Yes, Debian as a whole strives for openness, and you will often see
>calls to "get out of private" whenever interesting discussions taking
>place. But I would perfectly understand and support a ftp-master
>workflow that routinely involves private communication - Their
>decisions, although non-personal in nature, can be *felt* as personal
>attacks. 

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Re: FTP Policy Development

2018-03-07 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Steve Robbins dijo [Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 01:15:35PM -0600]:
> (...)
> To me, one of the puzzling aspects is why the FTP policy work has been so 
> secretive.  The release team has a mailing list, tech committee has a mailing 
> list.  There is Debian Policy list.  It doesn't seem in congruence that the 
> ftp team is making their policy behind closed doors.  Should it not flow from 
> Debian Policy and be debated on open lists?
> 
> Or maybe it is all open and I simply haven't found it.  If so, I would 
> gratefully accept pointers.  Concretely: where would one find the 
> deliberations behind https://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html ?

Ummm...

Not that I know much about how ftp-masters work internally. But I have
been on several other Debian teams. In general, all decisions are
taken in the public - But it is by far not uncommon to resort to
private communication for many of the non-obvious, contentious
cases. There are *always* cases where you want to discuss something
without the affected actors being part of the loop.

Yes, Debian as a whole strives for openness, and you will often see
calls to "get out of private" whenever interesting discussions taking
place. But I would perfectly understand and support a ftp-master
workflow that routinely involves private communication - Their
decisions, although non-personal in nature, can be *felt* as personal
attacks. 


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