Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thibaut Paumard mlotpot.n...@free.fr writes: Le 09/02/12 15:53, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : Hi, now that a multiarch dpkg has been uploaded to experimental it looks like we can finaly get rid of ia32-libs* for wheezy. !!!HURAY!!! The problem now is the transition: 1) multiarch

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-15 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 04:32 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: [..] Since dpkg will prefer to install packages from the native architecture, I don't see any problem here. I suppose I'm biased by having actually tested this. Ben. But it is

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-14 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 04:30:47PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: On Sat, 2012-02-11 at 17:33 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org writes: On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-13 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: On Sat, 2012-02-11 at 17:33 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org writes: On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 01:00:50PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: just to

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-13 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl writes: On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 05:33:45PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: If there is no 64bit kernel in i386 then you can not safely enable multiarch to install amd64 packages (in general, kernel my just work). It is kind of a prerequisite. qemu-user?

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-13 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 04:30:47PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: On Sat, 2012-02-11 at 17:33 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org writes: On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 01:00:50PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote:

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org writes: * Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk [120209 20:45]: There is a similar issue with linux-image-*-amd64, which I would definitely like to remove from i386 as soon as possible. We have metapackages to help with this already, but we still need users to

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org writes: On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 01:00:50PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: just to have a suiteable kernel would be quite a burden. The -amd64 kernel in i386 arch is some sort of upgrade tool.

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-11 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2012-02-11 at 17:33 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org writes: On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 01:00:50PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: just to have a suiteable kernel would be quite a

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-11 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 05:33:45PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: If there is no 64bit kernel in i386 then you can not safely enable multiarch to install amd64 packages (in general, kernel my just work). It is kind of a prerequisite. qemu-user? Of course, this particular combination is

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Dear ftp-master, I wonder if the solution below for transitioning ia32-libs to multiarch would be OK in regards to DAK and testing transition etc. Any technical problems why we couldn't make an exception for the 3 ia32-libs* packages for this? Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Thu,

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-10 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk [120209 20:45]: There is a similar issue with linux-image-*-amd64, which I would definitely like to remove from i386 as soon as possible. We have metapackages to help with this already, but we still need users to add amd64 as a foreign architecture before

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-10 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 13:00 +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: * Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk [120209 20:45]: There is a similar issue with linux-image-*-amd64, which I would definitely like to remove from i386 as soon as possible. We have metapackages to help with this already, but we

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-10 Thread Bastian Blank
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 01:00:50PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: From a user's point of view I'd really appreciate if that package could be kept. It is a burden for the archive and other infrastructure. Needing multi-arch enabled (with all the dangers of getting the wrong packages

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-10 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk [120210 14:45]: On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 13:00 +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: * Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk [120209 20:45]: There is a similar issue with linux-image-*-amd64, which I would definitely like to remove from i386 as soon as possible.

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-10 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org [120210 14:47]: On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 01:00:50PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: Needing multi-arch enabled (with all the dangers of getting the wrong packages installed Multi-arch enabled apt makes it hard to install the wrong ones. Also they are

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-09 Thread Samuel Thibault
Goswin von Brederlow, le Thu 09 Feb 2012 15:53:35 +0100, a écrit : 3) What about stable users? I don't see a way to transition stable users slowly. As said above I intent to request removal of ia32-libs for wheezy. So there will be no transition period where both ia32-libs and multiarch will

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-09 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de (09/02/2012): now that a multiarch dpkg has been uploaded to experimental it looks like we can finaly get rid of ia32-libs* for wheezy. !!!HURAY!!! The problem now is the transition: 0) make sure all packages are multiarchified. To check that, I

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-09 Thread Thibaut Paumard
Le 09/02/12 15:53, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : Hi, now that a multiarch dpkg has been uploaded to experimental it looks like we can finaly get rid of ia32-libs* for wheezy. !!!HURAY!!! The problem now is the transition: 1) multiarch and ia32-libs are incompatible [...] What this

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes: Goswin von Brederlow, le Thu 09 Feb 2012 15:53:35 +0100, a écrit : 3) What about stable users? I don't see a way to transition stable users slowly. As said above I intent to request removal of ia32-libs for wheezy. So there will be no transition

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 04:43:04PM +0100, Thibaut Paumard wrote: Le 09/02/12 15:53, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : now that a multiarch dpkg has been uploaded to experimental it looks like we can finaly get rid of ia32-libs* for wheezy. !!!HURAY!!! The problem now is the transition:

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 10:52:55AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 04:43:04PM +0100, Thibaut Paumard wrote: Le 09/02/12 15:53, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : now that a multiarch dpkg has been uploaded to experimental it looks like we can finaly get rid of