Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-08-18 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-07-03 09:04:39, schrieb Lars Wirzenius: su, 2006-07-02 kello 18:17 -0400, Jason Spiro kirjoitti: * Package name: openwatcom Description : C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code What does it mean for a compiler to produce portable code? It produce

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-08-18 Thread John Goerzen
On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 05:35:52PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2006-07-03 09:04:39, schrieb Lars Wirzenius: su, 2006-07-02 kello 18:17 -0400, Jason Spiro kirjoitti: * Package name: openwatcom Description : C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-08-18 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-18 08:10:27, schrieb John Goerzen: On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 05:35:52PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2006-07-03 09:04:39, schrieb Lars Wirzenius: su, 2006-07-02 kello 18:17 -0400, Jason Spiro kirjoitti: * Package name: openwatcom Description : C/C++ compiler

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-08-18 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 05:35:52PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2006-07-03 09:04:39, schrieb Lars Wirzenius: su, 2006-07-02 kello 18:17 -0400, Jason Spiro kirjoitti: * Package name: openwatcom Description : C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:17:20 -0400 Jason Spiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: openwatcom Version : I plan to do version 1.4 (or 1.6, if it comes out soon) Upstream Author : an independent

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2006-07-02 kello 18:17 -0400, Jason Spiro kirjoitti: * Package name: openwatcom Description : C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code What does it mean for a compiler to produce portable code? -- One does not see anything until one sees its beauty. -- O.W.

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-03 Thread Roberto Sanchez
Lars Wirzenius wrote: su, 2006-07-02 kello 18:17 -0400, Jason Spiro kirjoitti: * Package name: openwatcom Description : C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code What does it mean for a compiler to produce portable code? Perhaps it is a Java compiler in

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-03 Thread Ozgur Karatas
Hello, i did not understand. Are you saying that the compiler? Openwatcom: open source multi platform c/c++ and fortran compiler. Url: http://www.openwatcom.org There that at one, watcom c: c/c++ compiler I hope, You don't mix with this. Regards, Lars Wirzenius wrote: su, 2006-07-02 kello

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-03 Thread Jason Spiro
Le 03-07-2006, Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : su, 2006-07-02 kello 18:17 -0400, Jason Spiro kirjoitti: Description : C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code What does it mean for a compiler to produce portable code? Good question. I do not have

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-03 Thread Sebastian Harl
What does it mean for a compiler to produce portable code? Good question. I do not have personal experience with this, but I am told you can write your code once and then recompile it for a wide variety of platforms On the website it says it's a cross compiler, that is to say you can

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-03 Thread Jacobo Tarrio
El lunes, 3 de julio de 2006 a las 01:36:12 +0100, Matthew Garrett escribía: Ok, but it still needs to be modified. Are you suggesting that the freedom to produce a binary that can't be recompiled by anyone else is a necessary freedom? I'd say that the freedom to use the program in any

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-03 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 09:30:25AM +0200, Jacobo Tarrio wrote: I'd say that the freedom to use the program in any way I see fit is a necessary freedom. Sorry, but the criteria for inclusion in main is the DFSG, not whatever ideas people might have of necessary freedoms :-) /* Steinar */ --

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-03 Thread Jacobo Tarrio
El lunes, 3 de julio de 2006 a las 09:41:18 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson escribía: I'd say that the freedom to use the program in any way I see fit is a necessary freedom. Sorry, but the criteria for inclusion in main is the DFSG, not whatever ideas people might have of necessary freedoms

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-03 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 03, Jacobo Tarrio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not the only criteria. People are very inventive when it comes to creating new software licenses with new restrictions which fit the letter of the DFSG because, hey, the DFSG say nothing about licenses that make you cut off a part of your own

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-03 Thread Jacobo Tarrio
El lunes, 3 de julio de 2006 a las 10:06:56 +0200, Marco d'Itri escribía: It's this attitude of DFSG is not restrictive enough, let's invent a few new restrictions which we like that is screwing Debian (and our users). You've got it backwards. -- Jacobo Tarrío |

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-03 Thread Miriam Ruiz
From DFSG FAQ Draft ( http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html ): Q: How can I tell if a license is a free software license, by Debian's standards? A: The process involves human judgement. The DFSG is an attempt to articulate our criteria. But the DFSG is not a contract. This means that if

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-03 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 03, Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From DFSG FAQ Draft ( http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html ): This document mostly represents the opinion of the DFSG revisionists, so it's hardly a surprise that supports the we decide what is non-free school of tought. -- ciao, Marco

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-03 Thread Roberto Sanchez
Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jul 03, Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From DFSG FAQ Draft ( http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html ): This document mostly represents the opinion of the DFSG revisionists, so it's hardly a surprise that supports the we decide what is non-free school of

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-03 Thread Jason Spiro
Le 03-07-2006, Sebastian Harl [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : On the website it says it's a cross compiler, that is to say you can produce code for different target platforms on one host platform. Maybe you should change the description to something like C/C++ cross compilers and IDE. Saying

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-03 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 03, Roberto Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the DFSG was written by people. Additionally, most software licenses are written by people. It is no surprise that deciding which licenses actually comply with the DFSG is a process which requires people to make the decision.

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-03 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Marco d'Itri wrote: Bullshit. The only criteria for defining freedom for the purposes of Debian *is* the DFSG. Under a strict reading of the DFSG, I'm not sure how a license that prohibits running the code would fail. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-03 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: From DFSG FAQ Draft ( http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html ): This document mostly represents the opinion of the DFSG revisionists, so it's hardly a surprise that supports the we decide what is non-free school of tought (sic). I'm the primary

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-02 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Jul 02, 2006 at 06:17:20PM -0400, Jason Spiro wrote: * Package name: openwatcom * License : Sybase Open Watcom Public License 1.0 (it is OSI-approved) Oops... it looks like OSI smoked something especially bad this time, I'm afraid. This license looks like someone took his

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-02 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adam Borowski wrote: On Sun, Jul 02, 2006 at 06:17:20PM -0400, Jason Spiro wrote: [snip] the moment you use openwatcom to compile any work-related piece of software (thus not Personal Use), you need to make the source of openwatcom publicly

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
Adam Borowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the moment you use openwatcom to compile any work-related piece of software (thus not Personal Use), you need to make the source of openwatcom publicly available for 12 months. What? You must make Source Code of all Your Deployed Modifications publicly

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-02 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 01:10:34AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Adam Borowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the moment you use openwatcom to compile any work-related piece of software (thus not Personal Use), you need to make the source of openwatcom publicly available for 12 months. What?

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Jul 02, 2006 at 06:50:07PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adam Borowski wrote: On Sun, Jul 02, 2006 at 06:17:20PM -0400, Jason Spiro wrote: [snip] the moment you use openwatcom to compile any work-related piece of software (thus not

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
Adam Borowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # 1.4 Deploy means to use, sublicense or distribute Covered Code # other than for Your internal research and development (RD) and/or # Personal Use, and includes without limitation, any and all internal # use or distribution of Covered Code within Your

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not limited to modified versions Yes it is. In fact, it seems to be limited to the modifications themselves, rather than an entire modified source tree. it's for a period of time far exceeding that of the distribution. Like Mozilla. -- Matthew

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-02 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Matthew Garrett wrote: Ok, but it still needs to be modified. Are you suggesting that the freedom to produce a binary that can't be recompiled by anyone else is a necessary freedom? I haven't read the license, and I suggest asking on -legal if you want a full analysis, but the general

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-02 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 01:36:12AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Adam Borowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: use, like, for example, compile a piece of software. You don't need to distribute openwatcom to anyone to fall within this clause. Ok, but it still needs to be modified. Are you