Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)
On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 10:56:53AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: $ man debian-distro-info Debian OS provides API to query such information. In addition, stable alias names are also provided (stable, testing, unstable, experimental). As a last resort you can also scrape archive mirrors dists (e.g. ftp-master, snapshot, old-releases) and check the symlinks. That seems like a hack to workaround the fact that the archive doesn't provide this information in one file. Like a machine-readable http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/README ? -- Simon Paillard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130102123238.gc13...@glenfiddich.mraw.org
Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)
On 2 January 2013 14:32, Simon Paillard spaill...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 10:56:53AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: $ man debian-distro-info Debian OS provides API to query such information. In addition, stable alias names are also provided (stable, testing, unstable, experimental). As a last resort you can also scrape archive mirrors dists (e.g. ftp-master, snapshot, old-releases) and check the symlinks. That seems like a hack to workaround the fact that the archive doesn't provide this information in one file. Like a machine-readable http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/README ? Maybe distro-info-data's csv file should be published on mirrors, to even provide historical names. http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/distro-info-data.git;a=blob;f=debian.csv;h=ed3302e57d18f7697eec0b67fee259b904436684;hb=HEAD Regards, Dmitrijs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/canbhlujqqxjppjeqcxbkmqeqr9zzfprevl-y40eawb4trqg...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Simon Paillard wrote: Like a machine-readable http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/README ? Yeah, or something like this: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKTje6Fy4i6JgE61=OQbRuOZ0BZ=3Em_-uq_o=7j7evsrzk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: Maybe distro-info-data's csv file should be published on mirrors, to even provide historical names. http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/distro-info-data.git;a=blob;f=debian.csv;h=ed3302e57d18f7697eec0b67fee259b904436684;hb=HEAD deb822 would be better than CSV, I think something named dists/Releases or similar, with contents similar to Ubuntu's meta-release and parts of the Release files. It would need to indicate support periods so that apt can warn users when their security support is about to expire. Ubuntu might want to keep their release notes and upgrade tool links in it. Debian might want the release notes links but probably not the upgrade tool ones. It should probably be signed. PS: I'm subscribed, no need to CC me. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKTje6GEeO0MaW-m4GUu1=drbq5eibb4psjhusog-s2pn17...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)
On 30 December 2012 19:23, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote: On 12/30/2012 04:26 PM, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: Would it be an idea to publish the list of version numbers and associated code names a few releases ahead, say the upcoming three releases? Of course the prerogative of deciding on the names will remain with the release team, it would only be pulled forward a bit. I have 3 things to say about this. Yes, then yes, and yes again. Not only this is good for our users, but this is also technically needed for both upstream and us, doing the packaging. Let's say you have a software that somehow, installs Debian. Then it might require the user to select which name of the release to install. Currently, we knew about the name Jessie *after* the freeze, meaning that we couldn't have written a software that would debootstrap it without asking for an unblock. $ man debian-distro-info Debian OS provides API to query such information. In addition, stable alias names are also provided (stable, testing, unstable, experimental). As a last resort you can also scrape archive mirrors dists (e.g. ftp-master, snapshot, old-releases) and check the symlinks. I made that point very clear multiple times, and I haven't been the only one doing it. Yet, it hasn't been heard, and I never receive any technical argumentation as to why we shouldn't know the release names well in advance. Maybe if there was a greater number of DD insisting that this is necessary, this could change. Please +1 to this if you agree. -1. There is already multiple APIs provided to query such information in multiple ways as outlined above. Regards, Dmitrijs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/canbhlujfwh7su-yqulp8mcmavyh9kb2fcnulej7lphw3egd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: $ man debian-distro-info Debian OS provides API to query such information. In addition, stable alias names are also provided (stable, testing, unstable, experimental). As a last resort you can also scrape archive mirrors dists (e.g. ftp-master, snapshot, old-releases) and check the symlinks. That seems like a hack to workaround the fact that the archive doesn't provide this information in one file. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caktje6gvyqu6+zbbak8y-rf2ckxfyt5oqkc4bpfgsfmpy4k...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)
On 12/30/2012 04:26 PM, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: Would it be an idea to publish the list of version numbers and associated code names a few releases ahead, say the upcoming three releases? Of course the prerogative of deciding on the names will remain with the release team, it would only be pulled forward a bit. I have 3 things to say about this. Yes, then yes, and yes again. Not only this is good for our users, but this is also technically needed for both upstream and us, doing the packaging. Let's say you have a software that somehow, installs Debian. Then it might require the user to select which name of the release to install. Currently, we knew about the name Jessie *after* the freeze, meaning that we couldn't have written a software that would debootstrap it without asking for an unblock. I made that point very clear multiple times, and I haven't been the only one doing it. Yet, it hasn't been heard, and I never receive any technical argumentation as to why we shouldn't know the release names well in advance. Maybe if there was a greater number of DD insisting that this is necessary, this could change. Please +1 to this if you agree. If there is a reason why we shouldn't know, please expose it in this list. I, don't see any. Thomas P.S: I personally don't care at all what the name is, I just care to know it in advance. Please don't come with the argument that it is difficult to choose, that would be very backward, because a name has to be chosen sooner or later... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50e078ac.5010...@debian.org
Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 01:23:56AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Please +1 to this if you agree. Please don't. -devel is not a popularity contest. Kind regards Philipp Kern signature.asc Description: Digital signature
