Re: X Resources for emacs
On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 05:30:58AM +0200, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote: > Indeed I overstepped. I am sorry. Thank you. I too regret the intemperance of one of my closing remarks. -- What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Hitchens' Razor
Re: X Resources for emacs
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 11:14:19AM +0200, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote: > The discussion ideally takes place on the > debian-user list. Your email, and action, are most unpleasant. "Ideally" you might think about leaving people alone to follow their fate as best they can. Normally, in a case such as yours, that is exactly what I would be trying to do, but since you appear to be quite impulsive and therefore potentially dangerous to others, something must be said. > Cc-ed. Totally unacceptable. Did it dawn on you to ask me about such a step as cc'ing my note to debian-users? Did you suppose that perhaps I realized that is where "ideally" I should have placed my inquiry, but that I was prevented from doing so by the intercession of magical forces aligned against me? Is that what you think? On the other hand, did you pause even for moment to consider, "Perhaps Mr. Bernstein would rather not post to debian-user?" Somehow I doubt that. (Whether or not that consideration is true is none of your business.) I am working very hard to stay away from any ad hominem discourse. I'll keep it "about me." In well over twenty years (I believe) posting to various debian lists, including debian-doc, debian-user, and others, I cannot recall someone with '.debian.org' email domain taking it on himself to move my mail to another list without so much as a "Hi How do you do?" You typify why the European Union is approaching its death throes. (Okay, I failed to steer clear of ad hominem. Firing squad at dawn?) -- What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Hitchens' Razor
X Resources for emacs
I very glad to have debiandoc-sgml (which I have loved for years) playing quite nicely with psgml in emacs 24.5.1. This is in a recent upgrade to stretch: Linux 4.9.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.168-1+deb9u3 (2019-06-16) x86_64 GNU/Linux I have no troule enlarging the text (or "page") font used by emacs -- using my .emacs file -- but the menu titles and drop-downs require me to use a magnifying glass due to my poor (and a bit old) vision. I believe the size of these screen artefacts (menu titles etc.) could be tweaked using X Resources. This instance of emacs is linked to GTK. I have not yet been able to find the names of the needed resources for my problem. Thank you -- "In our age there is no such thing as ‘keeping out of politics’. All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred, and schizophrenia." George Orwell "Politics and the English Language" (1946)
Re: manpages.debian.org has been modernized!
Huzzahs! Congrats! What an enormous piece of work you have brought to wonderful fruition! Cigars all 'round! -- IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential, privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humour or irrational metaphysical beliefs.
Re: Documentation update request
On Sun, 16 Oct 2016, Michał Dziczkowski wrote: The manual entries are leaking a expanded explanation of the commands and used parameters. You may be better served by initially posting questions regarding specific applications, and their man pages, on the 'debian-user' email list. It is a large group of informed Debian users, who have subscribed to that list out of a desire to help others. Unless I am mistaken, this list, 'debian-doc,' aims to foster understanding and development of the documentation tool-chains used to generate (and, yes, maintain) the huge volume of documentation generated by a project of Debian's scope. Best regards, -- IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential, privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humour or irrational metaphysical beliefs.
Re: 'debiandoc2dbk -1' fails
On Sat, 15 Oct 2016, Osamu Aoki wrote: Do you already have directory named simple-epa-howto.dbk by running debiandoc2dbk without -1, then you can not create file with the same name unless you remove or rename the directory. That was the problem. Thanks much. -- IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential, privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humour or irrational metaphysical beliefs.
'debiandoc2dbk -1' fails
I have a simple debdoc file "simple-epa-howto.sgml" that responds correctly (viz produces the desired output) to debdoc2html and debdoc2pdf. The .sgml file also seems to produce ok output with debiandoc2dbk; at least, the appropriate .dbk files are created in the expected subdirectory. (I haven't yet taken things farther than that.) However, here's the problem: $ debiandoc2dbk -1 simple-epa-howto.sgml Cannot create file ./simple-epa-howto.dbk. at /usr/share/perl5/DebianDoc_SGML/Format/XML.pm line 149. Thoughts, anyone? Best regards, Bob Bernstein -- IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential, privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humour or irrational metaphysical beliefs.
Re: LONG LIVE DEBIANDOC (was: How to edit debiandoc in emacs with nxml)
On Sat, 1 Oct 2016, Osamu Aoki wrote: You do not need to use all the tags in Docbook XML. Understood. The smaller tag set is one of DebianDoc's virtues imho. You can see several Debian document sources to know how we build document from there. Sorry to so dense, but can you please clarify this observation for me? Where might these document sources be available? Thanks, -- IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential, privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humour or irrational metaphysical beliefs.
Re: LONG LIVE DEBIANDOC (was: How to edit debiandoc in emacs with nxml)
On Sat, 1 Oct 2016, Osamu Aoki wrote: debiandoc-sgml now comes with debiandoc2dbk. That is wonderful news to my ears. I _have to_ to look at that package. I am actually wanting to use DocBook less and DebianDoc more (I know, sounds regressive -- that's me.), but at least now that there is some interest in it perhaps it won't fall so quickly by the wayside. Thank you also for all the XSLT examples. I once had quite an interest in XSLT stylesheets, due mostly to Bob Stayton's book, which is around here on a drive somewhere. I just knew DebianDoc had to have an advocate somewhere, and I think I've found him! All best, -- IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential, privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humour or irrational metaphysical beliefs.
LONG LIVE DEBIANDOC (was: How to edit debiandoc in emacs with nxml)
Please forgive me this cross-post from debian-user. -- snip -- I appended this to my sources.list: deb http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free and then ran: # apt-get update I kept rerunning: # apt-get install --dry-run emacs23 until all the warnings subsided, meaning all the dependency problems were going to be resolved. It looked like this: # apt-get install --dry-run emacs23-el emacs23-common emacs23-bin-common libjpeg8 libtiff4 Then I removed the '--dry-run' option and ran the apt-get install for real. It went smooth as silk, but -- more importantly for my purposes -- the resultant emacs23 ran perfectly with psgmlx and a debiandoc sgml document I had been using as test doc! NB. I had installed viz. byte-compiled the psgmlx package with the emacs23 I yesterday built from source grabbed on http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/ . I am psyched. Now to post this over on the debian-doc list so the "answer" is there too. As one who in an earlier incarnation made a fairly good, if occasional, buck tech-writing and -editing on linux topics (which income came to an abrupt halt when the "internet bubble" collapsed), I am here to say that debiandoc is an excellent publishing tool-chain. It is blessedly simple but complete for my needs, which means it is actually FUN to use! Thanks all, and please let's not allow debiandoc to wither on the vine. -- IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential, privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humour or irrational metaphysical beliefs.
Has anyone fixed psgmlx? WAS: How to edit debiandoc in emacs with nxml
On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, W. Martin Borgert wrote: Please ignore me, if my answer is not helpful: I would never ignore you sir; I am grateful that you responded so promptly. But back to documentation matters... To your knowledge, or that of any of the assembled faithful, has anyone gone through the elisp code of psgmlx and fixed the syntax that generates "old-style backquotes detected" error messages in emacs24? Fwiw, Stackexchange offers some suggestions: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8109665/how-fix-emacs-error-old-style-backquotes-detected All best, -- "A person of great honour in Ireland (who was pleased to stoop so low as to look into my mind) used to tell me that my mind was like a conjured spirit, that would do mischief if I did not give it employment." Jonathan Swift
How to edit debiandoc in emacs with nxml
I have a tool chain working in Jessie (i686) using emacs 24.4.1 and nXML that nicely creates DocBook 4.5 xml documents. Now I would like to return to my first love, debiandoc, and do likewise. Has anyone hints on how to achieve this? I don't seem to be able to get the schema set correctly, if that's even possible with debiandoc, which I know is SGML. NB. Are debs of older emacs available? Unfortunately emacs 24 broke one of my favorite tools, which served me enormously well for years: the psgmlx package (not a Debian package ever afaik). All best, -- IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential, privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humour or irrational metaphysical beliefs.
Re: rewording to avoid sexist language on debian page (fwd)
On Sun, 2004-08-08 at 19:11, Martin Wheeler wrote: So let's drop the delightfully absorbing discussion, and see what we can do to arrive at a compromise between the two points of view, shall we? There are no two points of view on the question of sexist language. The civilized world long ago acknowledged this fact; consult any professional style guide you choose, and you will find the words: Avoid sexist language. This thread is an embarassment to the Debian project. Ms. Faulkner deserves a simple Thanks! for taking the time and trouble to stick her neck out and make a valuable observation. And that would be the end of it. -- Bob Bernstein
Gnome Documentation Style Guide
The Gnome Documentation Style Guide includes this statement: Avoid sexist language Pronoun constructions such as his/her or s/he do not exist. There is no need to identify gender in your instructions. http://developer.gnome.org/documents/style-guide/fundamentals-4.html#fundamentals-9 Interestingly enough, this document acknowledges that: Many of these guidelines are only applicable to English-language usage, see the American Heritage Dictionary and the Chicago Manual of Style. The Gnome document appears to be the sort of thing that might provide a useful baseline for evolving a Debian Style Guide. -- Bob Bernstein
Re: blank pages output by debian2...
On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 09:42:57PM -0600, Ardo van Rangelrooij wrote:
There are options for the document class book to handle this empty
page stuff I think. Once the wishlist is filed I'll look into it.
The option is 'oneside'.
In Format/LaTeX.pm, line 67:
## book output subroutines
## -
-
sub _output_start_book
{
output( \\documentclass[11pt,$locale{ 'babel' },oneside]{book}\n );
Best regards,
--
Bob Bernstein
blank pages output by debian2...
I have a sneaking suspicion I raised this question here some time ago (or on debian-sgml), but the senile dementia is really getting the better of me lately. Look, I _love_ debiandoc. But the blank pages output by apparently anything other than debiandoc2html are driving me nuts. (No pirate jokes, please.) Is there any way to coax debiandoc2pdf (or 2dvi or 2ps or 2latex) to not insert blank pages, say after the toc, or after a chapter ends? I'm running unstable and just updated debiandoc-sgml to 1.1.81. -- Bob Bernstein
Re: blank pages output by debian2...
On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 05:33:53AM -0600, Ardo van Rangelrooij wrote: Is there any way to coax debiandoc2pdf (or 2dvi or 2ps or 2latex) to not insert blank pages, say after the toc, or after a chapter ends? Why? What's the problem with that? Cuz it looks dumb and screws up the page numbering? Have I stumbled upon an undocumented feature? And why haven't you filed a wishlist? Heavy drinking? BUT SERIOUSLY FOLKS, sure, I'll file a wishlist! Point me in the right direction and I'll git-'er-done. -- Bob Bernstein
Re: blank pages output by debian2...
On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 04:29:05AM +0100, Jens Seidel wrote: A relatively easy solution is to modify the .tex file created by debiandoc2latex and to call latex (or pdflatex) on this file. I suggest you choose a different document class, I think the default is book, so choose for example article. Thank you! That sounds rather promising. -- Bob Bernstein
Debian and SGML: The Basics
It seems like this is a good time to post this URL: http://people.debian.org/%7Ebortz//SGML-HOWTO/potato/howto.html Stephane's HOWTO remains the single best introduction to the Debian way of doing SGML and XML. The clearinghouse for Debian documentation (including documentation about documentation) is: http://www.debian.org/doc/ddp nb. the link to the Debiandoc-SGML Markup Manual. General questions regarding implementing DocBook will find the best audience on the 'docbook-apps' mailing list: http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/mailinglist/index.shtml The indispensable psgml has its own list: http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=9156 And, finally, since many first come to Emacs only after deciding to do SGML/XML (and, dare I say, kicking and screaming? g), let me recommend the newsgroup: gnu.emacs.help I have found the Emacs Usenet community very helpful and friendly. HTH! -- Bob Bernstein |http://www.ruptured-duck.com at| 1024D/4A93E562 Esmond, R.I. | 115B 8AA0 D418 F33B F0B1 USA | 6230 8014 B8D5 4A93 E562 pgpKh4uuoiX2t.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian and SGML: The Basics
On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 02:38:58AM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: I have no clue why you would need emacs for editing sgml files. I haven't found anything better than psgml. I suppose it's a matter of taste. -- Bob Bernstein |http://www.ruptured-duck.com at| 1024D/4A93E562 Esmond, R.I. | 115B 8AA0 D418 F33B F0B1 USA | 6230 8014 B8D5 4A93 E562 pgp9pMoS8QKeH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: xfree86 4.02 ?
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 12:01:15PM +, Paul Black wrote: Can you tell me if the current release of debian gnu linux contains the 4.02 xfree86 servers. If you go to http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages type 'xfree86' in the 'Search Package Directories' box, and set 'Distribution' to 'Any'; you will see that 'unstable' contains what you're looking for. nb. This list is intended for discussion of Debian documentation issues. -- Bob Bernstein ...the open source movement has, at its roots, the point of _getting away from_ impractical things like defending principles on principle... Chris Browne in gnu.misc.discuss
OT: how to strip out SGML tags?
I have found a perl script to do this but it doesn't seem to work.
Does anyone know of something that does?
Just for conversation's sake, here's the pl that does _not_ seem to handle my
DocBook SGML:
#!/usr/bin/perl
##
## sgmlstripper - Strip SGML markup from input.
##
## by Robert J Seymour [EMAIL PROTECTED]
## Copyright 1995, 1996, Robert Seymour and Springer-Verlag.
## All rights reserved. This program may be distributed and/or
## modified in electronic form under the same terms as Perl
## itself.
##
## CPAN menu:
#
# File Name: sgmlstripper
# File Size in BYTES: 1469
# Sender/Author/Poster: Robert J. Seymour [EMAIL PROTECTED]
# Subject: sgmlstripper - Strip SGML markup from input.
#
# sgmlstripper removes SGML markup tags from input (taken through
# specified files or STDIN). sgmlstripper uses a
# character-by-character read mode which, though not as fast as a
# regexp, is guaranteed to strip tags which fall across line or
# paragraph boundaries and preserves whitespace so that line numbers
# will be the same (the latter is useful for search engines which
# don't want to index markup, but want line numbers to be preserved).
## Use STDIN if no files are given
$ARGV[0] = - unless @ARGV;
## Strip out anything contained in an SGML markup tag. This is not
## very pretty and rather inefficient, but it does take care of tags
## which cross line or paragraph boundaries.
foreach $file (@ARGV) {
open(INPUT,$file);
while($char = getc(INPUT)) {
if($char eq ) {
IGNORE: for(;;) {
last IGNORE if (getc(INPUT) eq );
}
} else {
print $char;
}
}
close(INPUT);
TIA, and sorry to be spamming the list with this OT post.
}
--
Bob Bernstein http://www.ruptured-duck.com
Re[2]: OT: how to strip out SGML tags?
erik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
## Use STDIN if no files are given
$ARGV[0] = - unless @ARGV;
## Strip out anything contained in an SGML markup tag. This is not
## very pretty and rather inefficient, but it does take care of tags
## which cross line or paragraph boundaries.
foreach $file (@ARGV) {
open(INPUT,$file);
while($char = getc(INPUT)) {
if($char eq ) {
IGNORE: for(;;) {
last IGNORE if (getc(INPUT) eq );
... not sure why the IGNORE thing is in here; it seems like this should
work but I would have simply done :
if($char eq ) {
while(getc(INPUT) ne ) {
;
}
}
I had trouble with your idea, but I went back to the original script I posted
and discovered that the problem is it dies whenever a numerical '0' is
encountered! Apart from that it works fine. It just so happened I had a '0' in
the first few lines of my SGML, but I didn't get the implication.
So zero makes the condition '$char = getc(INPUT)' evaluate to false, dumping
the flow down to closing the file. What's the perl equivalent of WHILE NOT
EOF? g
Look reasonable?
--
Bob Bernstein http://www.ruptured-duck.com
Re[2]: OT: how to strip out SGML tags?
Ok. My last post in this thread! Here is what does work: (thanks list)
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
##
## sgmlstripper - Strip SGML markup from input.
##
## by Robert J Seymour [EMAIL PROTECTED]
## Copyright 1995, 1996, Robert Seymour and Springer-Verlag.
## Fixed by Bob Bernstein to handle zeros., 9/2/2000
## All rights reserved. This program may be distributed and/or
## modified in electronic form under the same terms as Perl
## itself.
##
## CPAN menu:
#
# File Name: sgmlstripper
# File Size in BYTES: 1469
# Sender/Author/Poster: Robert J. Seymour [EMAIL PROTECTED]
# Subject: sgmlstripper - Strip SGML markup from input.
#
# sgmlstripper removes SGML markup tags from input (taken through
# specified files or STDIN). sgmlstripper uses a
# character-by-character read mode which, though not as fast as a
# regexp, is guaranteed to strip tags which fall across line or
# paragraph boundaries and preserves whitespace so that line numbers
# will be the same (the latter is useful for search engines which
# don't want to index markup, but want line numbers to be preserved).
## Use STDIN if no files are given
$ARGV[0] = - unless @ARGV;
## Strip out anything contained in an SGML markup tag. This is not
## very pretty and rather inefficient, but it does take care of tags
## which cross line or paragraph boundaries.
foreach $file (@ARGV) {
open(INPUT,$file);
while(!eof(INPUT)) {
$char = getc(INPUT);
if($char eq ) {
IGNORE: for(;;) {
last IGNORE if (getc(INPUT) eq );
}
} else {
print $char;
}
}
close(INPUT);
}
--
Bob Bernstein http://www.ruptured-duck.com
