Bug#838175: change default locale to C.UTF-8 in chroots
On Sunday 18 September 2016 08:17 PM, Guillem Jover wrote: > [ Please remember to CC something like @packages.debian.org > when reassigning otherwise the new maintainers only see a control > reply w/o context, thanks. ] Sorry, will do it from next time. > The request is not very clear, so let me try to run it down. If it > is about binary packages, then that cannot be done, please refer to > policy §9.9. > > I'm assuming, though, that this is related to source packages and > building them? In that case as josch has mentioned package cannot > assume that anything will set up their environment as they should > (still) support being called simply as debian/rules, which is the > only defined entry point. It about providing a UTF-8 locale as default in build environment. > In addition C.UTF-8 locales provided by default were a Debianism not > until recently, and even now might be a glibc-ism. So not something > that even dpkg-buildpackage might be able to rely on, given that it > is being used beyond glibc and Debian. > > If a (binary/source) package requires the current locale to be UTF-8 > then it should set it itself. Even debootstrap might be able to set a > default, but that does not mean the user might not modify it later on. Usually the problem is only in build chroots, most users already have a UTF-8 locale. > So as things stand now I don't think this can be fixed centrally, and > I'm in principle planning on closing this report in a bit if no > clarifications or compelling arguments are put forwards. Most tools (even languages like python allows variable names in UTF-8) now supports UTF-8 and many are adding support. It is only natural to change defaults when situations change. I think doing it centrally is the best thing to do. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Bug#838175: change default locale to C.UTF-8 in chroots
Control: tag -1 moreinfo Hi! [ Please remember to CC something like @packages.debian.org when reassigning otherwise the new maintainers only see a control reply w/o context, thanks. ] On Sun, 2016-09-18 at 08:26:56 +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: > package: sbuild > version: 0.71.0-2 > severity: wishist > > (if this should go to debootstrap, then please reassign) > > Many packages now expect a UTF-8 locale and we have to manually specify > LC_ALL=C.UTF-8. I think it is better to make C.UTF-8 as the default > locale for chroots to avoid fixing so many packages. The request is not very clear, so let me try to run it down. If it is about binary packages, then that cannot be done, please refer to policy §9.9. I'm assuming, though, that this is related to source packages and building them? In that case as josch has mentioned package cannot assume that anything will set up their environment as they should (still) support being called simply as debian/rules, which is the only defined entry point. In addition C.UTF-8 locales provided by default were a Debianism not until recently, and even now might be a glibc-ism. So not something that even dpkg-buildpackage might be able to rely on, given that it is being used beyond glibc and Debian. If a (binary/source) package requires the current locale to be UTF-8 then it should set it itself. Even debootstrap might be able to set a default, but that does not mean the user might not modify it later on. So as things stand now I don't think this can be fixed centrally, and I'm in principle planning on closing this report in a bit if no clarifications or compelling arguments are put forwards. Thanks, Guillem
