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> $ elbe initvm create x86_64-pc-hdimg-minimal-grub-jessie.xml
... or create config for one of the existing packages - my own
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> and perhaps some other projects can use.
vmdebootstrap 1.0 has/is a python module, it's not packaged separately
at this time - a new binary package (with fewer dependencies) is
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vmdebootstrap has a mailing list for discussion of development ideas:
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ultistrap runs outside the
chroot, hence needs to run as root.
> I note there is a fakechroot package. Is it recommended to use
> multistrap with fakechroot.
No. multistrap is not intended to be used inside a chroot, it would
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known-broken sid. The wheezy-grip Sources.gz and Packages.gz files
would need to be parsed and only the .dsc and .deb files imported into
a new repo.
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was particularly important. Unless someone actually did that, the
packages no longer exist.
Individual packages can simply be installed from Debian, the benefit of
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interested in having their names on it - I am certainly not looking to
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On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 21:26:15 +0200
Jeremiah Foster jeremiah.fos...@pelagicore.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org
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On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 14:51:23 +0100
Wookey woo...@wookware.org wrote:
+++ Neil Williams [2015-04-07 09:02 +0100]:
An OE
about health -vs- stopping support of old flavors of
Emdebian?
Emdebian Grip health: dead.
Emdebian Grip support: absent, on permanent, authorised notified leave.
I no longer have write access to the Emdebian website.
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I no longer have write access to the Emdebian website.
You can have some if you want it Neil :-)
I'd have trouble finding the time to do much with it. Sorry.
An OE-based
command reports password updated successfully then that is all you
need to do. Using chroot to get a prompt, there is no login, you
already have a prompt.
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How could I satisfy missing dependencies?? Thank
you in advance.
Use Debian experimental or just install without using the
crossbuild-essential-* meta package.
Throw that chroot away and start again using only Debian mirrors.
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Jessie have cross-toolchains included in the release and both need
mangling to get cross-building working.
Do i have to build 4.8 from sources using an installed gcc-4.7?
You can, or you simply use a chroot.
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gone a long time ago.
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Helmut Grohne hel...@subdivi.de wrote:
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On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 06:39:07PM +, Neil Williams wrote:
On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 15:22:08 +0100
gregor herrmann gre...@debian.org wrote:
Yes but it does it wrong
and the only real purpose for having the
package after Jessie will be the /etc/dpkg-cross/cross-config.* files,
not cross-compile. Any package relying on /etc/dpkg-cross/cross-compile
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we needed and the sponsoring of that extra expense had
ended) but we'd been slow in implementing the replacement server.
The server was then decommissioned as per the original schedule. Any
damage / effects on that machine are irrelevant.
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in preparation
for the release freeze of Jessie+1 (to make room for Jessie to become
oldstable). By that time, I don't expect anyone to still be wanting Grip
3.1 or Wheezy.
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It was fun but the need for Grip has dissolved and there is simply not
enough value left to justify the amount of work involved.
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too as it will be more efficient for the
mirror to retain these than to use the retainsources option of
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files which I can't risk. Can any one
help on what I should do to fix the package dependencies?
Remove the Grip apt source, it has nothing to do with cross-compiling
stuff.
Then just update again.
You've confused Grip with toolchains - they are *not* the same.
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that the code would even compile with gcc-4.4, plus
issues of changes in the kernel between 2.6.27 and 3.2.
I think you may have to consider this as a non-upgradeable system when
you consider how much work it will be to get it running up to date
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be looking at any new compiled software on that device without
enormous amounts of work. None of that work will be useful or
interesting to anyone else, so you won't get any support and none of
your fixes will be accepted upstream.
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functionality in vim
takes up a lot of space compared to vim-tiny.
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Paul Whittaker whi...@velocitynet.com.au wrote:
On 3/02/2014 9:31 PM, Neil Williams wrote:
If you have interest in retaining Grip *and are prepared to provide
some solutions to the issues above* then say so here. Otherwise,
neither testing not point
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funded by
goodwill only.
If people need to keep copies of old packages, those copies need to be
managed outside of the Emdebian project.
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, the patches are a mess, mixing stylistic / whitespace changes
with largely invisible functional changes whilst removing existing
functionality. Not acceptable.
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an X environment.
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work and testing before the packages would be ready for that stage.
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of the others. A chroot only contains
the files, not the free space, which sounds more like what you wanted
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For more details on the changes within Debian through 7.0 and 7.1, see
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in wheezy-grip as a starting point and provide a detailed list
of packages and versions which need to be re-processed. Please report
results via a bug against the buildd.emdebian.org psuedo-package,
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Emdebian Grip 1.0 was released. That industry
involvement also failed to spot that Multi-Arch fields were not being
retained.
That is exactly why I'm not going to hack around the wheezy-grip
packages until I have a 100% reliable method of detection.
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don't get flooded
with false positives?
There isn't time to do a mass rebuild of armhf before the point release
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to put the -cross dependencies into place.
g++-4.6-arm-linux-gnueabihf : Depends: libstdc++6-4.6-dev-armhf-cross
(= 4.6.3-14) but it is not going to be installed
$ sudo xapt -a armhf -m libstdc++6-4.6-dev
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longer operate and the changes you need to make to get things to work
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Also are there any tutorials for creating the
basic files such as initttab etc?
There are examples, it depends what your particular setup requires.
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or
deb http://emdebian.bytesatwork.ch/mirror/grip wheezy-grip main
The mirror push has been started, so please allow time for the mirrors
to update.
Online version of this news:
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details in their searches...
[0] http://wiki.debian.org/EmdebianIntegration
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with the people listed on the relevant wiki page:
http://wiki.debian.org/Debian-CGL
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 00:10:49 +0100
Rieker Flaik rieker_fl...@arcor.de wrote:
On Tue, 2013-02-12 at 16:34 +, Neil Williams wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:28:17 +0100
Rieker Flaik rieker_fl...@arcor.de wrote:
animation/qsequentialanimationgroup.cpp:467: warning: unused variable
that?
Any hints?
It will take many hours. Easily 5+. There again, building natively on a
Debian armel buildd box takes over 16hours.
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the .deb which accounts
for the difference in download size.
However, this does NOT affect the installed size of the kernel, only
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debootstrap already has support to exclude specified packages.
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now out of date.
It's likely that the Emdebian TDebs will be dropped after the Wheezy
release as TDebs are incompatible with the upcoming merge of Emdebian
Grip into Debian.
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5.10.1-17squeeze3 Larry Wall's Practical Extraction
Versions of packages dpkg-cross recommends:
ii fakeroot 1.14.4-1 Gives a fake root environment
dpkg-cross suggests no packages.
-- debconf information:
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, even though the are generated and can be found in the
builddir-sparc-linux-gnu directory.
Is this a bug or feature ? Is there any easy (automated) way to do
build a package with the ldscripts included.
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to set both.
The tests for this code never involved toolchain packages, so thanks
for the extra testing.
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such
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That would be very nice to have...
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is why the rebuilds are not
automatically in sync.
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is why the rebuilds are not
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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:21:30 +0100
Patrik Kluba kpajk...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org wrote:
the older version of architecture independent packages got disappeared
somehow. For example, there's no
libstdc++6-4.6-dev-armhf
7.0 (Wheezy) and I would normally release the toolchains at the
same time. I won't be able to do that as things stand and we'll be left
without installable toolchains for the next Debian stable release.
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changed stuff in /usr then those changes will be lost.
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packages may be listed more
than once. All actions are timestamped, only the latest action per
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, so it is likely that wheezy-grip users
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:42:36 -0700
Jonathan Nieder jrnie...@gmail.com wrote:
Neil Williams wrote:
Static linking is not fully supported in Debian and therefore Emdebian.
Sometimes it might work, sometimes it will fail, sometimes it will run
but give you mysterious issues... behaviour
are allowing you to do. If you are not
even allowed to create a minimal debootstrap, then find a different
machine and give up on this pointless exercise.
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Is it a bug?
You'd have to get a backtrace via gdb. If static linking doesn't work
but dynamic does, there aren't going to be many people in Debian who
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 16:36:01 +0200
José Luis García Pallero jgpall...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/9/13 Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 16:00:12 +0200
José Luis García Pallero jgpall...@gmail.com wrote:
My machine is an x86-64 running debian sid and I need to generate
to put all the strain on www.emdebian.org -
http://ftp.uk.debian.org/emdebian/toolchains/
http://emdebian.bytesatwork.ch/mirror/toolchains/
I'll add those links to the toolchains pages on the website at some
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? Thank You.
What version of multistrap?
Squeeze: 2.1.7
Squeeze-backports: 2.1.15~bpo60+1
Wheezy: 2.1.20
Sid: 2.1.20
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to push it into
mainline.
This is about building a linux-image_$version_armel.deb just by
unpacking the kernel.org tarball and running make menuconfig ; make.
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Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
On Monday 03 September 2012 09:20:02 Neil Williams wrote:
On Mon, 3 Sep 2012 02:56:28 +0100
This is about building a linux-image_$version_armel.deb just by
unpacking the kernel.org tarball and running make menuconfig
as
there is always room for documentation.
The key is to not break the underlying models in order to simplify the
documentation/setup at the cost of making the system fragile.
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are binary-compatible with the Debian equivalents anyway.
If using Debian testing or unstable, use the -m option so that the
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Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
On Sunday 02 September 2012 11:05:54 Neil Williams wrote:
On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 01:40:45 +0100
http://wiki.debian.org/Multistrap#Steps_for_Squeeze_and_later
Right, I can see straight away that /sbin/init might have
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:07:32 +0200
ternaryd terna...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:03:09 +0100
Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org wrote:
Add an apt source for backports when using squeeze.
Thanks, this did work, mostly.
What do you mean mostly?
Add an apt source for your
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:20:47 +0200
ternaryd terna...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:13:21 +0100
Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org wrote:
If these are omissions in the wiki page, feel free to update the wiki
page.
I tried to do so, but couldn't find the edit-button.
You'll need
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diffstat for dpkg-cross-2.6.6 dpkg-cross-2.6.7
changelog |7 +++
postrm|6 +-
2 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
diff -Nru dpkg-cross-2.6.6/debian/changelog
ready.
Yes, this part of it is resolved as far as dpkg is concerned and the
work is now with package maintainers to implement MultiArch support but
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Proposed fix, needs a bit of testing.
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:01:05 +0100
Wookey woo...@wookware.org wrote:
+++ Neil Williams [2012-07-22 17:05 +0100]:
One unresolved issue is the cache values and architecture support:
where to put the cross- config settings currently implemented
in /etc/dpkg-cross/cross* which pass
-cross / replacement can
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Will sort this out in ~ 1 week.
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cope with being clever, it has to be reliably dumb. That's xapt.
Don't expect it to do clever stuff and you won't be disappointed.
(If anyone thinks upgrading cross dependencies is easy, talk to some of
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Thanks again for all your help and advice.
Please read the documentation, this has all been covered many, many
times before.
There's no point pushing this endlessly through the list again, ask on
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a few years ago. The
current port is armel (ARMv5) EABI and the newer port is armhf (ARMv7)
hardware floating point.
http://www.debian.org/ports/
jetty is not part of Emdebian.
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So, yes, but stable is better as a start point.
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. Precisely what Uttam
described as his requirements.
Many of the tools used to create Emdebian are still suitable for other
not-quite-standard ways of installing Debian-based systems.
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not supported by the native version.
And is it worth trying to get cross building support into wheezy's
src:perl before the freeze?
Not a hope. It's far too late. Wheezy could freeze within days.
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the second one won't be created.
Doesn't make any odds, nothing about that is going to change until
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architectures which get dropped after the Wheezy release will
also have their relevant config files dropped.
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