Re: Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale
On Sat, Sep 04, 2010 at 12:37:07AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: Aurelien Jarno, le Fri 03 Sep 2010 19:16:40 +0200, a écrit : On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 04:20:27PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: Roger Leigh, le Fri 03 Sep 2010 14:52:39 +0100, a écrit : There were no objections to having a UTF-8 locale installed and available by default, just to it *being* the default. Taking this first small step is IMO important to do, preferably for squeeze if possible. Since it's a tiny one-liner change, this should be no trouble in getting this done. I believe so too, I just didn't want to push it too much, but yes, I believe that's something that shouldn't break Squeeze at all. That's not something allowed anymore at this period of the freeze, you will have to get an exception from the release team first. Ok. I don't feel any urgency so I won't ask for it myself. Well, the big advantage to have it in squeeze is that this allows squeeze+1 to rely on it without worrying with partial upgrades. For me, the fact that d-i already provides it is a major point in favor of C.UTF-8, because this show that this actually work and is useful. Cheers, -- Bill. ballo...@debian.org Imagine a large red swirl here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-glibc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100904140833.ga31...@yellowpig
Re: Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale
Giacomo A. Catenazzi, le Fri 03 Sep 2010 15:26:47 +0200, a écrit : BTW I think we should wait some more time. Last week I was on debian-glibc list a bug: printf fails if it find an invalid UTF-8 character (when the locale uses UTF-8). Note it is allowed in POSIX, which distinguish raw strings and parts which uses locale definitions. So I don't think a C.UTF-8 is safe. It's not safe as a system default, yes. But we're not talking about making the system default a UTF-8 locale. We're talking about providing one for those packages which need it. Such package should know what they are doing already, and should probably actually prefer to get such error properly. But a good release goal for squeeze+1. I wasn't planning to push it for Squeeze actually, unless glibc people think it's ok to add it. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-glibc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100903134543.gm5...@const.bordeaux.inria.fr
Re: Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale
Roger Leigh, le Fri 03 Sep 2010 14:52:39 +0100, a écrit : On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 01:37:24AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: without any convergence. I think reading back through the entire log, Thanks for having done it! people who were initially rather opposed to the proposal did come around once they appreciated exactly what the changes would be, and why they were needed. Ok. There was still a question of en_US.UTF-8 vs C.UTF-8, but I believe the en_US.UTF-8 is fine enough argument doesn't hold any more since some other people say that it isn't for them. There were no objections to having a UTF-8 locale installed and available by default, just to it *being* the default. Taking this first small step is IMO important to do, preferably for squeeze if possible. Since it's a tiny one-liner change, this should be no trouble in getting this done. I believe so too, I just didn't want to push it too much, but yes, I believe that's something that shouldn't break Squeeze at all. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-glibc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100903142027.gp5...@const.bordeaux.inria.fr
Re: Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale
Samuel Thibault dixit: believe that's something that shouldn't break Squeeze at all. I also believe it cannot possibly do that. bye, //mirabilos -- “It is inappropriate to require that a time represented as seconds since the Epoch precisely represent the number of seconds between the referenced time and the Epoch.” -- IEEE Std 1003.1b-1993 (POSIX) Section B.2.2.2 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-glibc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pine.bsm.4.64l.1009031621090.1...@herc.mirbsd.org
Re: Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale
On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 04:20:27PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: Roger Leigh, le Fri 03 Sep 2010 14:52:39 +0100, a écrit : On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 01:37:24AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: without any convergence. I think reading back through the entire log, Thanks for having done it! people who were initially rather opposed to the proposal did come around once they appreciated exactly what the changes would be, and why they were needed. Ok. There was still a question of en_US.UTF-8 vs C.UTF-8, but I believe the en_US.UTF-8 is fine enough argument doesn't hold any more since some other people say that it isn't for them. There were no objections to having a UTF-8 locale installed and available by default, just to it *being* the default. Taking this first small step is IMO important to do, preferably for squeeze if possible. Since it's a tiny one-liner change, this should be no trouble in getting this done. I believe so too, I just didn't want to push it too much, but yes, I believe that's something that shouldn't break Squeeze at all. That's not something allowed anymore at this period of the freeze, you will have to get an exception from the release team first. -- Aurelien Jarno GPG: 1024D/F1BCDB73 aurel...@aurel32.net http://www.aurel32.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-glibc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100903171640.gb26...@hall.aurel32.net
Re: Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale
Aurelien Jarno, le Fri 03 Sep 2010 19:16:40 +0200, a écrit : On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 04:20:27PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: Roger Leigh, le Fri 03 Sep 2010 14:52:39 +0100, a écrit : There were no objections to having a UTF-8 locale installed and available by default, just to it *being* the default. Taking this first small step is IMO important to do, preferably for squeeze if possible. Since it's a tiny one-liner change, this should be no trouble in getting this done. I believe so too, I just didn't want to push it too much, but yes, I believe that's something that shouldn't break Squeeze at all. That's not something allowed anymore at this period of the freeze, you will have to get an exception from the release team first. Ok. I don't feel any urgency so I won't ask for it myself. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-glibc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100903223707.ga5...@const
