Re: German 'umlaute' in gnome(-terminal)
Johannes Rohr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ole Laursen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > > > GDM 2.4.x uses /etc/environment (not by sourcing it but through > > > pam_env.so). I don't know about older versions, though. > > > > Are you sure it works? If it worked, wouldn't GDM 2.4 speak the > > language specified in /etc/environment? > > The LANG setting from /etc/environment is used for the session, but > unfortunately not for the GDM greeter, which is a seperate programme. OK, you're sure. I didn't test it, just thought there might be a problem. > I don't know if the Greeter's inability to set the UI language could > also be cured by adding an appriopriate file to /etc/pam.d, but > possibly it doesn't even use pam as it doesn't conduct any > authentication. > > So here the easiest workaround is to add > > set -a > . /etc/environment > set +a > > to /usr/bin/gdm. > > Unfortunately this is overwritten by any upgrade, so probably Sean > should patch the file from debian/rules or better upstream should fix > this. Sean, are you reading this? :-) -- Ole Laursen http://www.cs.auc.dk/~olau/
Re: German 'umlaute' in gnome(-terminal)
Ole Laursen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > > > It would also help if GDM sourced /etc/environment and used the settings > > > there as defaults. > > > > GDM 2.4.x uses /etc/environment (not by sourcing it but through > > pam_env.so). I don't know about older versions, though. > > Are you sure it works? If it worked, wouldn't GDM 2.4 speak the > language specified in /etc/environment? The LANG setting from /etc/environment is used for the session, but unfortunately not for the GDM greeter, which is a seperate programme. > It doesn't with the package > from > > deb http://harshy.homelinux.org/files/debian ./ If it even doesn't work for the session, then possibly /etc/pam.d/gdm is not present. This happened to me when I was using the sources from Gustavo Noronha's backport. His package contained a file called /etc/pam.d/gdm2 which was obviously ignored by gdm. I don't know if the Greeter's inability to set the UI language could also be cured by adding an appriopriate file to /etc/pam.d, but possibly it doesn't even use pam as it doesn't conduct any authentication. So here the easiest workaround is to add set -a . /etc/environment set +a to /usr/bin/gdm. Unfortunately this is overwritten by any upgrade, so probably Sean should patch the file from debian/rules or better upstream should fix this. Johannes
Re: German 'umlaute' in gnome(-terminal)
Johannes Rohr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matt Brubeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > [...] > > > > It would also help if GDM sourced /etc/environment and used the settings > > there as defaults. > > GDM 2.4.x uses /etc/environment (not by sourcing it but through > pam_env.so). I don't know about older versions, though. Are you sure it works? If it worked, wouldn't GDM 2.4 speak the language specified in /etc/environment? It doesn't with the package from deb http://harshy.homelinux.org/files/debian ./ -- Ole Laursen http://www.cs.auc.dk/~olau/
Re: German 'umlaute' in gnome(-terminal)
Matt Brubeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > It would also help if GDM sourced /etc/environment and used the settings > there as defaults. GDM 2.4.x uses /etc/environment (not by sourcing it but through pam_env.so). I don't know about older versions, though. Johannes -- ~/.signature under construction
Re: German 'umlaute' in gnome(-terminal)
On Sam, 2003-02-15 at 23:36, Thomas Mueller wrote: > I don't know any internals - but gnome-session runs as my user, so isn't > there a possibility to read my environment variables before executing it? > > > It would also help if GDM sourced /etc/environment and used the settings > > there as defaults. > > That wouldn't change anything for me (I have root with LANG=C and my > user, so I didn't touch /etc/environment), but for every installation > with more users this would be a good idea I think. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/X11/Xsession.d/98includeprofile [ -f ~/.bash_profile ] && . ~/.bash_profile [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ Works fine provided your bash_profile does not output anything and is not interactive (both should really be true - ssh and other things probably would break, too). cheers -- vbi -- Packages should build-depend on what they should build-depend. -- Santiago Vila on debian-devel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: German 'umlaute' in gnome(-terminal)
Hi Matt! > > What exactly happens there? I found a new file ~/.gnome/gdm: > > [session] > > last=Gnome > > lang=de_DE.ISO-8859-1 > > Perhaps this file (and the corresponding GDM 2.4 file in ~/.gnome2) > should be added to the language-env tool. After hours of searching I can really support that :-) > Currently, language-env sets up the environment that your shell uses, > which is why you see the correct locale from inside the terminal (once > you have started a shell). But gnome-session is started by GDM, not by > your shell, and your gnome desktop is started by gnome-session. I don't know any internals - but gnome-session runs as my user, so isn't there a possibility to read my environment variables before executing it? > It would also help if GDM sourced /etc/environment and used the settings > there as defaults. That wouldn't change anything for me (I have root with LANG=C and my user, so I didn't touch /etc/environment), but for every installation with more users this would be a good idea I think. -- MfG Thomas Mueller - http://www.tmueller.com for pgp key (95702B3B)
Re: German 'umlaute' in gnome(-terminal)
On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 12:28:10PM +0100, Thomas Mueller wrote: > I did a new install using sid and now I have several problems with my > german environment. > > I've used set-language-env from the Language-env package to set > everything to german. That resulted in the following locale: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] > > Gnome is in english but german characters display correct and I can > enter them so this is no real problem (but a solution would be nice > nevertheless). > > A real problem is the gnome-terminal. I can't enter german characters > and they are displayed as '?'. > In the menubar Terminal -> Character Coding -> Current Locale is set to > ANSI_X3.4-1968. When I change that manually to ISO-8859-15 characters > display correct but I still can't enter them. Where do you set the language? How do you open terminals? Do you use gdm? What does "locale" output in the GNOME Terminal? - Sebastian
Re: German 'umlaute' in gnome(-terminal)
On Feb 15, Thomas Mueller wrote: > What exactly happens there? I found a new file ~/.gnome/gdm: > [session] > last=Gnome > lang=de_DE.ISO-8859-1 Perhaps this file (and the corresponding GDM 2.4 file in ~/.gnome2) should be added to the language-env tool. Currently, language-env sets up the environment that your shell uses, which is why you see the correct locale from inside the terminal (once you have started a shell). But gnome-session is started by GDM, not by your shell, and your gnome desktop is started by gnome-session. It would also help if GDM sourced /etc/environment and used the settings there as defaults.
Re: German 'umlaute' in gnome(-terminal)
Hi Matt! > > I installed language-env and selected german everywhere, that's it - > > I'm quite sure I didn't do more for my last installations (woody with > > gnome 1.4). > > How are you logging in to GNOME? If you use GDM, you may need to choose > a German locale from its "Language" menu before logging in. Shame on me - that's it! What exactly happens there? I found a new file ~/.gnome/gdm: [session] last=Gnome lang=de_DE.ISO-8859-1 Where is my lang environment overwritten? In a gnome-terminal I still have what I've set: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ echo $LANG [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ Thanks and sorry to everyone who answered. -- MfG Thomas Mueller - http://www.tmueller.com for pgp key (95702B3B)
Re: German 'umlaute' in gnome(-terminal)
On Feb 15, Thomas Mueller wrote: > I installed language-env and selected german everywhere, that's it - > I'm quite sure I didn't do more for my last installations (woody with > gnome 1.4). How are you logging in to GNOME? If you use GDM, you may need to choose a German locale from its "Language" menu before logging in.
Re: German 'umlaute' in gnome(-terminal)
Hi Havoc! > > Gnome is in english but german characters display correct and I can > > enter them so this is no real problem (but a solution would be nice > > nevertheless). > > GNOME certainly shouldn't be in English, it has lots of German > translations. Yes I saw that. > > A real problem is the gnome-terminal. I can't enter german characters > > and they are displayed as '?'. > > In the menubar Terminal -> Character Coding -> Current Locale is set to > > ANSI_X3.4-1968. When I change that manually to ISO-8859-15 characters > > display correct but I still can't enter them. > > ANSI-blahblah is the official name of ASCII. This means g-t is falling > back to "C" locale. > > Are you sure there isn't anything on stderr, such as "locale not > supported by C library"? Is stderr redirected to a file ? In ~/.gnome-error there are three different entries when I start a gnome-terminal: Repeated 4x: (gnome-terminal:5032): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap", One: Window manager warning: Window 0x2400810 (Matthias S) sets SM_CLIENT_ID on itself, instead of on the WM_CLIENT_LEADER window as specified in the ICCCM. Repeated quite often: ** (gnome-terminal:5032): WARNING **: No handler for control sequence `device-control-string' defined. > The symptoms sound like setlocale() fails. Meanwhile I tried setting LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 but no change. -- MfG Thomas Mueller - http://www.tmueller.com for pgp key (95702B3B)
Re: German 'umlaute' in gnome(-terminal)
On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 12:28:10PM +0100, Thomas Mueller wrote: > Gnome is in english but german characters display correct and I can > enter them so this is no real problem (but a solution would be nice > nevertheless). GNOME certainly shouldn't be in English, it has lots of German translations. > A real problem is the gnome-terminal. I can't enter german characters > and they are displayed as '?'. > In the menubar Terminal -> Character Coding -> Current Locale is set to > ANSI_X3.4-1968. When I change that manually to ISO-8859-15 characters > display correct but I still can't enter them. ANSI-blahblah is the official name of ASCII. This means g-t is falling back to "C" locale. Are you sure there isn't anything on stderr, such as "locale not supported by C library"? The symptoms sound like setlocale() fails. Havoc
Re: German 'umlaute' in gnome(-terminal)
Hi Christian! Christian Marillat schrieb am Samstag, den 15. Februar 2003: > > A real problem is the gnome-terminal. I can't enter german characters > > and they are displayed as '?'. [..] > This work here : > > http://marillat.free.fr/dists/gnome-terminal-umlaut.png > > I think something is misconfigured. What do I have to configure ? This is a new installation I configured nearly nothing. I selected these locales to be generated by package 'locales': [EMAIL PROTECTED] ISO-8859-15 de_DE ISO-8859-1 de_DE.UTF-8 UTF-8 en_US ISO-8859-1 I installed language-env and selected german everywhere, that's it - I'm quite sure I didn't do more for my last installations (woody with gnome 1.4). -- MfG Thomas Mueller - http://www.tmueller.com for pgp key (95702B3B)
Re: German 'umlaute' in gnome(-terminal)
Hi Jose! > > > > A real problem is the gnome-terminal. I can't enter german characters > > > > and they are displayed as '?'. [..] > Have you tried to change the font. I can use all kind of dead letters > here (Spanish locales), even ü (u umlaut). I have only lost lately in > this type of font the EUR symbol, but I guess that's due to some > change in Xft. This can't be the font because it works everywhere else I think? Evolution, gedit, xterm, Xemacs, ... everything works as expected. The automatically chosen locale ANSI_X3.4-1968 (= ASCII) is strange I think, this probably leads to another font than every other software uses? -- MfG Thomas Mueller - http://www.tmueller.com for pgp key (95702B3B)
Re: German 'umlaute' in gnome(-terminal)
Thomas Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, Hi, [...] > A real problem is the gnome-terminal. I can't enter german characters > and they are displayed as '?'. > In the menubar Terminal -> Character Coding -> Current Locale is set to > ANSI_X3.4-1968. When I change that manually to ISO-8859-15 characters > display correct but I still can't enter them. > Should I file a bugreport or is this my fault? Did I miss anything? This work here : http://marillat.free.fr/dists/gnome-terminal-umlaut.png I think something is misconfigured. Christian
Re: German 'umlaute' in gnome(-terminal)
El día 15 feb 2003, Thomas Mueller escribía: > Hi Adrian! > > > > A real problem is the gnome-terminal. I can't enter german characters > > > and they are displayed as '?'. > > I saw now they are sometimes displayed as unicode (?) too. Instead of > 'ß' (hope this works for you) I get '\337'. > > > > In the menubar Terminal -> Character Coding -> Current Locale is set to > > > ANSI_X3.4-1968. When I change that manually to ISO-8859-15 characters > > > display correct but I still can't enter them. > > > > > > Should I file a bugreport or is this my fault? Did I miss anything? > > > > Are you sure that it's a problem of gnome-terminal, and not a problem of > > your bash/libreadline settings? .inputrc might sometimes play such > > games. > > I'm quite sure. Everything works fine except gnome-terminal. > > > Do umlauts work on the text console? > > Yes they work on the console. I've installed xterm now, everything works > in a xterm too. Have you tried to change the font. I can use all kind of dead letters here (Spanish locales), even ü (u umlaut). I have only lost lately in this type of font the EUR symbol, but I guess that's due to some change in Xft. -- Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpuGZhzfZeo6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: German 'umlaute' in gnome(-terminal)
Hi Adrian! > > A real problem is the gnome-terminal. I can't enter german characters > > and they are displayed as '?'. I saw now they are sometimes displayed as unicode (?) too. Instead of 'ß' (hope this works for you) I get '\337'. > > In the menubar Terminal -> Character Coding -> Current Locale is set to > > ANSI_X3.4-1968. When I change that manually to ISO-8859-15 characters > > display correct but I still can't enter them. > > > > Should I file a bugreport or is this my fault? Did I miss anything? > > Are you sure that it's a problem of gnome-terminal, and not a problem of > your bash/libreadline settings? .inputrc might sometimes play such > games. I'm quite sure. Everything works fine except gnome-terminal. > Do umlauts work on the text console? Yes they work on the console. I've installed xterm now, everything works in a xterm too. -- MfG Thomas Mueller - http://www.tmueller.com for pgp key (95702B3B)
Re: German 'umlaute' in gnome(-terminal)
On Sam, 2003-02-15 at 12:28, Thomas Mueller wrote: > A real problem is the gnome-terminal. I can't enter german characters > and they are displayed as '?'. > In the menubar Terminal -> Character Coding -> Current Locale is set to > ANSI_X3.4-1968. When I change that manually to ISO-8859-15 characters > display correct but I still can't enter them. > > Should I file a bugreport or is this my fault? Did I miss anything? Are you sure that it's a problem of gnome-terminal, and not a problem of your bash/libreadline settings? .inputrc might sometimes play such games. Do umlauts work on the text console? cheers -- vbi -- pub 1024D/92082481 2002-02-22 Adrian von Bidder Key fingerprint = EFE3 96F4 18F5 8D65 8494 28FC 1438 5168 9208 2481 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
