Re: Plasma 5 unusuable after latest buster "upgrade"
On 8/10/18 3:34 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 2018-08-10 12:48 PM, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote: Hi Gary! According to your issues I can only think in an issue with your video card. What do you have there? Another thing to try is creating another user. FWIW no one else has reported an issue like yours yet, or at least not to my knowledge. It would have to be a weird issue since the video seems to be working nicely most of the time. Since rebooting sometimes makes previous desktops unusable, I was thinking perhaps a flaw in the ssd was corrupting some files and that it only became apparent after a reboot, but it passes the SMART tests and there is no other indication of a problem with it. If you suspect the ssd you might try debsums. The man says: Verify installed Debian package files against MD5 checksum lists from /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums I usually run it with the -ca option so I can see any changes I have made in the /etc config directory also. -c changed files only -a all files If you find errors then reinstall the packages where the files came from with "apt install --reinstall package". To find the source package use "apt-file search filename". Also have the ssd do a full selftest ... "smartctrl -t long /dev/sdx". -- *...Bob*
Re: Plasma 5 unusuable after latest buster "upgrade"
On 2018-08-10 12:48 PM, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote: Hi Gary! According to your issues I can only think in an issue with your video card. What do you have there? Another thing to try is creating another user. FWIW no one else has reported an issue like yours yet, or at least not to my knowledge. It would have to be a weird issue since the video seems to be working nicely most of the time. Since rebooting sometimes makes previous desktops unusable, I was thinking perhaps a flaw in the ssd was corrupting some files and that it only became apparent after a reboot, but it passes the SMART tests and there is no other indication of a problem with it. I created a new user and logged into Plasma. It seemed to work but I didn't spend a lot of time. Instead I rebooted and tried logging in again. This time it locked up. I'm back running Gnome Flashback after rebooting earlier today to try Plasma again. It didn't work. Neither did Gnome. After failing to get back into XFCE, I also tried TWM for the first time. It failed to start. Gnome Flashback seems to be the only installed window manager I can access.
Re: Plasma 5 unusuable after latest buster "upgrade"
On 2018-08-06 09:53 AM, Gary Dale wrote: On 2018-08-06 05:05 AM, Ferdinand Thommes wrote: Gary Dale hat am 6. August 2018 um 06:38 geschrieben: Yesterday I started to do my usual evening Buster apt full-upgrade but couldn't get it to work. I was getting messages about ldconfig not being in the path. I did another apt update this evening but ran into the same problem with apt full-upgrade. I rebooted to recovery mode and ran the upgrade there. It went OK. However when I restarted, after logging in with sddm, Plasma 5 locked up hard before bringing up the desktop. The computer wouldn't respond to SysRq or Ctl-Alt-Del. It took a reset to reboot it. The second time I managed to get into Plasma 5 but quickly was locked into on virtual desktop. The applications on that desktop responded but the task bar & pager were dead. Stopping and restarting Plasma left me even worse off, as the running applications were overlapped on the taskbar, which was still non-responsive. I was able to log out using Ctl-Alt-Del and restarted in Gnome Fallback (Metacity), which seemed to be running OK except that my monitor was running in 1600x1200, which it doesn't actually support. It's usually in 1920x1080 and I couldn't figure out how to fix it, so I figured I'd just install Gnome. After I started Konsole I ran into the same full-upgrade issue as before. So I rebooted into recovery mode again to complete the install. Along the way, I tried Plasma again but it just does the hard lock now. Gnome runs OK, once I adjusted the screen resolution (at least the current Gnome makes that easy). However it's still Gnome and I don't really think I want to spend the time to figure out how to be productive in it. To me it just looks like all flash and no substance. I want to get back to Plasma desperately. Is it just my computer or are others having problems with Plasma too? Hi Gary, the latest on the new version of util-linux: util-linux (2.32-0.4) unstable; urgency=medium The util-linux implementation of /bin/su is now used, replacing the one previously supplied by src:shadow (shipped in login package), and bringing Debian in line with other modern distributions. The two implementations are very similar but have some minor differences (and there might be more that was not yet noticed ofcourse), e.g. - new 'su' (with no args, i.e. when preserving the environment) also preserves PATH and IFS, while old su would always reset PATH and IFS even in 'preserve environment' mode. - su '' (empty user string) used to give root, but now returns an error. - previously su only had one pam config, but now 'su -' is configured separately in /etc/pam.d/su-l The first difference is probably the most user visible one. Doing plain 'su' is a really bad idea for many reasons, so using 'su -' is strongly recommended to always get a newly set up environment similar to a normal login. If you want to restore behaviour more similar to the previous one you can add 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes' in /etc/login.defs. So, in short, use su - instead of su That explains the apt full-upgrade problems but not the KDE/Plasma problems. Still, it's a start... Thanks. I'd left some processes running on my computer overnight. This morning the computer the computer had rebooted or panicked and was locked up with a pile of text/command line messages showing. I reset but this morning Gnome wasn't running very well either. I'm not sure what the underlying problem is but after a few restarts, I'm now working with kernel 4.16.0-2 and Gnome over Xorg. So far it seems stable. So perhaps the problem isn't Plasma but Wayland and it just shows a lot more with Plasma... Scratch that idea. I stepped away from my computer to get some breakfast and read the morning paper. When I came back, the screen-saver had kicked in. The computer unlocked OK then locked up. I'm now running Gnome Flashback and it so far is behaving itself
Re: Plasma 5 unusuable after latest buster "upgrade"
On 2018-08-06 05:05 AM, Ferdinand Thommes wrote: Gary Dale hat am 6. August 2018 um 06:38 geschrieben: Yesterday I started to do my usual evening Buster apt full-upgrade but couldn't get it to work. I was getting messages about ldconfig not being in the path. I did another apt update this evening but ran into the same problem with apt full-upgrade. I rebooted to recovery mode and ran the upgrade there. It went OK. However when I restarted, after logging in with sddm, Plasma 5 locked up hard before bringing up the desktop. The computer wouldn't respond to SysRq or Ctl-Alt-Del. It took a reset to reboot it. The second time I managed to get into Plasma 5 but quickly was locked into on virtual desktop. The applications on that desktop responded but the task bar & pager were dead. Stopping and restarting Plasma left me even worse off, as the running applications were overlapped on the taskbar, which was still non-responsive. I was able to log out using Ctl-Alt-Del and restarted in Gnome Fallback (Metacity), which seemed to be running OK except that my monitor was running in 1600x1200, which it doesn't actually support. It's usually in 1920x1080 and I couldn't figure out how to fix it, so I figured I'd just install Gnome. After I started Konsole I ran into the same full-upgrade issue as before. So I rebooted into recovery mode again to complete the install. Along the way, I tried Plasma again but it just does the hard lock now. Gnome runs OK, once I adjusted the screen resolution (at least the current Gnome makes that easy). However it's still Gnome and I don't really think I want to spend the time to figure out how to be productive in it. To me it just looks like all flash and no substance. I want to get back to Plasma desperately. Is it just my computer or are others having problems with Plasma too? Hi Gary, the latest on the new version of util-linux: util-linux (2.32-0.4) unstable; urgency=medium The util-linux implementation of /bin/su is now used, replacing the one previously supplied by src:shadow (shipped in login package), and bringing Debian in line with other modern distributions. The two implementations are very similar but have some minor differences (and there might be more that was not yet noticed ofcourse), e.g. - new 'su' (with no args, i.e. when preserving the environment) also preserves PATH and IFS, while old su would always reset PATH and IFS even in 'preserve environment' mode. - su '' (empty user string) used to give root, but now returns an error. - previously su only had one pam config, but now 'su -' is configured separately in /etc/pam.d/su-l The first difference is probably the most user visible one. Doing plain 'su' is a really bad idea for many reasons, so using 'su -' is strongly recommended to always get a newly set up environment similar to a normal login. If you want to restore behaviour more similar to the previous one you can add 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes' in /etc/login.defs. So, in short, use su - instead of su That explains the apt full-upgrade problems but not the KDE/Plasma problems. Still, it's a start... Thanks. I'd left some processes running on my computer overnight. This morning the computer the computer had rebooted or panicked and was locked up with a pile of text/command line messages showing. I reset but this morning Gnome wasn't running very well either. I'm not sure what the underlying problem is but after a few restarts, I'm now working with kernel 4.16.0-2 and Gnome over Xorg. So far it seems stable. So perhaps the problem isn't Plasma but Wayland and it just shows a lot more with Plasma...
