On 05/18/2017 10:45 AM, Shawn Sörbom wrote:
On Saturday, April 22, 2017 1:07:09 PM PDT fradev wrote:
Hi everyone
On 25/03/17 18:50:08 CEST, fradev wrote:
Here are the dependencies of task-kde-desktop, on the right my
suggestions.
task-kde-desktop
Depends: tasksel
Depends: task-desktop
On Saturday, April 22, 2017 1:07:09 PM PDT fradev wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> On 25/03/17 18:50:08 CEST, fradev wrote:
> > Here are the dependencies of task-kde-desktop, on the right my
> > suggestions.
> >
> > task-kde-desktop
> >
> > Depends: tasksel
> > Depends: task-desktop
> > Depends:
Hey,
> Thank you. I rapidly checked the values in popcons also for
> - kdeaccessibility (not enough info)
if you talk with accessibitiy people they told you, that it is very important
that all accessibitiy software is installed by default. See the talk at
debconf15:
"Thanks for maintaining a de
Hi Martin
On 14/05/17 11:10:53 CEST, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Given that, I would consider the percentage of people who use the package
> > as a more reliable data. So, because it is evident that the percentage
> > of people who use gnome-orca is under the threshold of the 25%, and
> > becau
fradev - 07.05.17, 18:27:
> Popcon results:
> | distro | package|inst | vote | old | recent | no-files |
> |
> |++-+--+-++--|
> |
> | Debian | gnome-orca | 80219 | 3611 | 61008 | 15536 | 64 |
> | Ubuntu | gnome-orca | 22
Hi everyone
I tried to gather the opinions expressed previously in this discussion and now
I would like to integrate them with data from the Debian and Ubuntu Popularity
Contests [1][2] in order to avoid biased proposals.
My first proposal was for the task-kde-desktop and I thought it was usefu
On Sunday, April 23, 2017 3:42:40 PM PDT Nick wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 13:39:35 -0700
>
> Shawn Sörbom wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 15, 2017 11:19:22 PM PDT Nick wrote:
> > > JFTR, one alternative to Kmail might be 'Trojita' [1]
> > > - I haven't (yet) tried it, and it's not a KDE program,
>
On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 13:39:35 -0700
Shawn Sörbom wrote:
> On Saturday, April 15, 2017 11:19:22 PM PDT Nick wrote:
>
> > JFTR, one alternative to Kmail might be 'Trojita' [1]
> > - I haven't (yet) tried it, and it's not a KDE program,
> > but it _is_ part of the KDE family, professionally
> > de
On 22/04/17 13:31:51 CEST, Luigi Toscano wrote:
> > - plasma-discover is too bugged to be used as a replacement
>
> Do you have a specific set of bugs? Think also in the long term, this is
> going to happen for Buster, and Discover is definitely developed.
This [1] as a starting point, and this s
fradev ha scritto:
> I didn't received many feedbacks about this and I'm thinking to send a bug
> report (wishlist) proposing the changes highlighted above.
>
> What concerns me the most here is apper. Summarising:
> [...]
> - plasma-discover is too bugged to be used as a replacement
Do you have
Hi everyone
On 25/03/17 18:50:08 CEST, fradev wrote:
> Here are the dependencies of task-kde-desktop, on the right my suggestions.
>
> task-kde-desktop
> Depends: tasksel
> Depends: task-desktop
> Depends: kde-standard
> Depends: sddm
> Recommends: kdeaccessibility--> change to
On Saturday, April 15, 2017 11:19:22 PM PDT Nick wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 00:11:40 -0700
> Shawn Sörbom wrote:
>
> I'm a bit late to this discussion, but FWIW:
>
> [snip]
>
> > for a good "out of the box" experience, many people expect a mail
> > client. Look at Kubuntu. Personally kmail wou
On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 00:11:40 -0700
Shawn Sörbom wrote:
I'm a bit late to this discussion, but FWIW:
[snip]
> for a good "out of the box" experience, many people expect a mail
> client. Look at Kubuntu. Personally kmail would be of the first
> packages I would install on any KDE system that I woul
On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 11:56:43 PM CEST fradev wrote:
> On 05/04/17 11:43:55 CEST, Shawn Sörbom wrote:
> > > Sorry, there is a typo. The output that I posted was generated by
> > > "$ sudo apt remove kmail", not "autoremove".
> >
> > I agree, but the original topic was about which packages sh
On 05/04/17 11:43:55 CEST, Shawn Sörbom wrote:
> > Sorry, there is a typo. The output that I posted was generated by
> > "$ sudo apt remove kmail", not "autoremove".
>
> I agree, but the original topic was about which packages shouldn't be
> included by default. Couldn't this be solved by changing
On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 3:10:55 PM PDT fradev wrote:
> On 03/04/17 13:07:31 CEST, fradev wrote:
> > >$ sudo apt autoremove kmail
>
> Sorry, there is a typo. The output that I posted was generated by
> "$ sudo apt remove kmail", not "autoremove".
I agree, but the original topic was about whic
On 03/04/17 13:07:31 CEST, fradev wrote:
> >$ sudo apt autoremove kmail
Sorry, there is a typo. The output that I posted was generated by
"$ sudo apt remove kmail", not "autoremove".
On Monday, April 3, 2017 1:07:31 PM CEST fradev wrote:
> These are the effects of having non essential packages listed as
> dependencies in general-desktop-environment-oriented-meta-packages. IMHO
> it is not good for the users and it is not good for the sysadmins.
I, of course, agree with the ab
On 02/04/17 00:11:40 CEST, Shawn Sörbom wrote:
> But for a good "out of the box" experience, many people expect a mail
> client. Look at Kubuntu. Personally kmail would be of the first packages I
> would install on any KDE system that I would set up for an "average" user.
> A default email solution
On 02/04/17 00:11:40 CEST, Shawn Sörbom wrote:
> But for a good "out of the box" experience, many people expect a mail
> client. Look at Kubuntu. Personally kmail would be of the first packages I
> would install on any KDE system that I would set up for an "average" user.
> A default email solution
On 02/04/17 00:11:40 CEST, Shawn Sörbom wrote:
> But for a good "out of the box" experience, many people expect a mail
> client. Look at Kubuntu. Personally kmail would be of the first packages I
> would install on any KDE system that I would set up for an "average" user.
> A default email solution
On Sunday, April 02, 2017 03:11:40 AM Shawn Sörbom wrote:
> But for a good "out of the box" experience, many people expect a mail
> client. Look at Kubuntu. Personally kmail would be of the first packages I
> would install on any KDE system that I would set up for an "average" user.
> A default ema
On Saturday, April 1, 2017 12:20:17 PM PDT fradev wrote:
> On 31/03/17 13:27:14 CEST, Maximiliano Curia wrote:
> > >>> Depends: kmail--> change to: Suggests
> > >>
> > >> It has its glitches... But I use it
> > >
> > > I use it too and I propose to suggest it, and not re
On 31/03/17 13:27:14 CEST, Maximiliano Curia wrote:
> >>> Depends: kmail--> change to: Suggests
> >>
> >> It has its glitches... But I use it
> >
> > I use it too and I propose to suggest it, and not recommend it, exactly
> > because it has it glitches and many people pr
Hi Maxy!
On vrijdag 31 maart 2017 18:45:36 CEST Maximiliano Curia wrote:
> > ping https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=840844 ?
> > (it's about adding kdeconnect to kde-standard)
>
> I thought I had replied to that/this request. I also use kdeconnect, but
> it's only useful if the
¡Hola Diederik!
El 2017-03-31 a las 17:27 +0200, Diederik de Haas escribió:
On vrijdag 31 maart 2017 13:27:14 CEST Maximiliano Curia wrote:
if you prepare a diff of the changes with a rationale for each change we'll
consider them. But please take into account that statements like "I don't
use
> Many of the maintainers, including myself, also read this list, so if you
> prepare a diff of the changes with a rationale for each change we'll
> consider them. But please take into account that statements like "I don't
> use it" are no reason enough to drop a dependency as the specific tool
> s
On vrijdag 31 maart 2017 13:27:14 CEST Maximiliano Curia wrote:
> if you prepare a diff of the changes with a rationale for each change we'll
> consider them. But please take into account that statements like "I don't
> use it" are no reason enough to drop a dependency as the specific tool
> surel
¡Hola fradev!
El 2017-03-31 a las 12:19 +0200, fradev escribió:
On 30/03/17 10:22:20 CEST, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
I won't use dolphin unless I'm forced to use it and konq-plugins is a
needed package for konqueror.
But if we focus on a setup suitable for the general public, I think dolphin is
g
On 30/03/17 10:22:20 CEST, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> I won't use dolphin unless I'm forced to use it and konq-plugins is a
> needed package for konqueror.
But if we focus on a setup suitable for the general public, I think dolphin is
good as file manager and well integrated. Instead konqueror (and t
The bells, the whistles... but at the end of the maypole dance, everyone get
naked.
So let's start with (in) the most simple apparel and add (non mandatory) veils
on demand, instead of the contrary.
And try and help the user to fathom what's necessary from what is convenient
and what is fashiona
On 03/30/2017 08:37 AM, fradev wrote:
If someone is still interested in the topic, here it is the list of
dependencies required by the meta-package *kde-standard* (a dependency of
*task-kde-desktop*) with my suggestions on the right.
kde-standard
Depends: akregator--> chang
If someone is still interested in the topic, here it is the list of
dependencies required by the meta-package *kde-standard* (a dependency of
*task-kde-desktop*) with my suggestions on the right.
kde-standard
Depends: akregator--> change to: Suggests
Depends: ark
Depend
On 19/03/17 22:26:28 CET, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> Hello, Francesco, I was thinking as Users we could discuss the options
> here first and then make a proposal of the "debian-plasma-desktop" to
> the KDE team.
>
> Utilities= ark, kcalc, kwrite, spectacle.
>
> System= bleachbit, kinfo, partition-man
On 20/03/17 17:02:55 CET, Thom Castermans wrote:
> 2017-03-20 16:11 GMT+01:00 Jimmy Johnson :
> > Maybe you don't know it, but the average user does not know how to use a
> > keyboard, like putting your index fingers on the f and j keys, basic
> > typing.
> I think that you are grossly underestimat
2017-03-20 16:11 GMT+01:00 Jimmy Johnson :
> Maybe you don't know it, but the average user does not know how to use a
> keyboard, like putting your index fingers on the f and j keys, basic typing.
>
I think that you are grossly underestimating the average computer user *who
is installing KDE on D
On 03/20/2017 06:41 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, March 20, 2017 01:26:28 AM Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 03/17/2017 02:44 AM, fradev wrote:
On 15/03/17 13:34:38 CET, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
As for the rest of your post I agree and what we need is a
"debian-plasma-desktop meta package" wher
On Monday, March 20, 2017 01:26:28 AM Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> On 03/17/2017 02:44 AM, fradev wrote:
> > On 15/03/17 13:34:38 CET, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> >> As for the rest of your post I agree and what we need is a
> >> "debian-plasma-desktop meta package" where it's tested and working
> >> includin
On 03/17/2017 02:48 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 15. März 2017, 19:01:16 CET schrieb fradev:
The default KDE/Plasma 5 installation in Stretch, via task-kde-desktop, in
my opinion doesn't provide the best user experience because of the many
applications installed by default.
While
On 03/17/2017 02:44 AM, fradev wrote:
On 15/03/17 13:34:38 CET, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
As for the rest of your post I agree and what we need is a
"debian-plasma-desktop meta package" where it's tested and working
including kconnect, wireless, bluetooth, vlc, pulse, etc. and keep pim
to the minimal
On Friday, 17 March 2017 15:57:40 CET inkbottle wrote:
> I too vote it out of (almost) compulsory installation:
>
> Konqueror "was" a really great idea, especially, to my mind, through the
> kpart things: One could open several Okular document simultaneously, have
> efficient tab organization, the
I too vote it out of (almost) compulsory installation:
Konqueror "was" a really great idea, especially, to my mind, through the kpart
things: One could open several Okular document simultaneously, have efficient
tab organization, the possibility to bookmark them simultaneously...
Unfortunately i
To be clear, I'm talking about Stretch, Jessie is out of discussion of course.
On 17/03/17 10:48:41 CET, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Konqueror is still quite a central part in Plasma. It is used by default for
> web shortcuts and for URLS like "man:/ls" oder "info:/".
If I read correctly the depe
On 15/03/17 13:34:38 CET, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> As for the rest of your post I agree and what we need is a
> "debian-plasma-desktop meta package" where it's tested and working
> including kconnect, wireless, bluetooth, vlc, pulse, etc. and keep pim
> to the minimal so the kitchen sink is not added
Am Mittwoch, 15. März 2017, 19:01:16 CET schrieb fradev:
> The default KDE/Plasma 5 installation in Stretch, via task-kde-desktop, in
> my opinion doesn't provide the best user experience because of the many
> applications installed by default.
>
> While the experience with the Plasma desktop is p
On 03/15/2017 11:20 AM, fradev wrote:
Hi everyone
The default KDE/Plasma 5 installation in Stretch, via task-kde-desktop, in my
opinion doesn't provide the best user experience because of the many
applications installed by default.
While the experience with the Plasma desktop is pretty good, th
I agree with you about konqueror, but in the case of kwrite vs kate, I think
the reason is that kate depends on some kwrite components. Technically kate is
also targeted at programmers, whereas kwrite is similar to MS Notepad.
On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 7:01:16 PM PDT fradev wrote:
> Hi everyon
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