Bug#1058937: /usr-move: Do we support upgrades without apt?

2023-12-21 Thread David Kalnischkies
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 02:42:56PM +, Matthew Vernon wrote: > On 21/12/2023 09:41, Helmut Grohne wrote: > > Is it ok to call upgrade scenarios failures that cannot be reproduced > > using apt unsupported until we no longer deal with aliasing? > > I incline towards "no"; if an upgrade has

Bug#1058937: /usr-move: Do we support upgrades without apt?

2023-12-21 Thread David Kalnischkies
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 03:31:55PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 11:19:48AM -0300, Antonio Terceiro wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:41:57AM +0100, Helmut Grohne wrote: > > > Is it ok to call upgrade scenarios failures that cannot be reproduced > > > using apt unsupported

Bug#1058937: /usr-move: Do we support upgrades without apt?

2023-12-21 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 21.12.23 um 11:50 schrieb Christoph Berg: Re: Helmut Grohne Is it ok to call upgrade scenarios failures that cannot be reproduced using apt unsupported until we no longer deal with aliasing? If the answer is yes here, we'll close #1058937 (Ben's libnfsidmap1 bug) with no action calling the

Bug#1058937: /usr-move: Do we support upgrades without apt?

2023-12-21 Thread Simon McVittie
On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 at 15:31:55 +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > Do those GUI frontends that work via packagekit or other frameworks > count as "using apt"? Managing apt/dpkg packages via packagekit uses libapt-pkg6.0 (via /usr/lib/*/packagekit-backend/libpk_backend_apt.so). I don't know whether that's

Proposal: Switch to linear git history

2023-12-21 Thread Bastian Blank
Hi folks The repository for the Linux kernel in Debian currently makes heavy use of merges, which will always conflict due to changelog changes. This constitutes high cognitive busy load, for pretty small gains. After already removing the manually modified abiname, we can drop more manual work

Bug#1058937: /usr-move: Do we support upgrades without apt?

2023-12-21 Thread Matthew Vernon
Hi, On 21/12/2023 09:41, Helmut Grohne wrote: Is it ok to call upgrade scenarios failures that cannot be reproduced using apt unsupported until we no longer deal with aliasing? I incline towards "no"; if an upgrade has failed part-way (as does happen), people may then reasonably use dpkg

Bug#1058937: /usr-move: Do we support upgrades without apt?

2023-12-21 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 11:19:48AM -0300, Antonio Terceiro wrote: > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:41:57AM +0100, Helmut Grohne wrote: > > Is it ok to call upgrade scenarios failures that cannot be reproduced > > using apt unsupported until we no longer deal with aliasing? > > I think so, yes. I

Bug#1058937: /usr-move: Do we support upgrades without apt?

2023-12-21 Thread Antonio Terceiro
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:41:57AM +0100, Helmut Grohne wrote: > ## Upgrading using dpkg directly? > > We already have quite a number of packages that use Conflicts to prevent > file loss in upgrades in a very similar way to #1058937 (Ben's > libnfsidmap1 bug) even in released versions of Debian.

Memory is exhausted error when trying to run kernel from upstream sources

2023-12-21 Thread Julian Groß
Hello, I am unsure if this is the right place to ask. I am trying to build the upstream mainline kernel (6.7-rc6) as instructed at https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingKernelFromUpstreamSources for troubleshooting purposes. The build and installation were successful, but when I try to boot the

Bug#1058937: /usr-move: Do we support upgrades without apt?

2023-12-21 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Helmut Grohne > Is it ok to call upgrade scenarios failures that cannot be reproduced > using apt unsupported until we no longer deal with aliasing? > > If the answer is yes here, we'll close #1058937 (Ben's libnfsidmap1 bug) > with no action calling the scenario unsupported. I think we

Memory is exhausted error when trying to run kernel from upstream sources

2023-12-21 Thread Julian Groß
Hello, I am unsure if this is the right place to ask. I am trying to build the upstream mainline kernel (6.7-rc6) as instructed at https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingKernelFromUpstreamSources for troubleshooting purposes. The build and installation were successful, but when I try to boot the

Bug#1058937: /usr-move: Do we support upgrades without apt?

2023-12-21 Thread Helmut Grohne
Hi, this installment serves a dual purpose. Let me first give an update of the status quo and then pose a consensus question on how we want to deal with a particular problem. I Cc d-release@l.d.o as upgrades are an integral part of releases. I Cc d-ctte@l.d.o for advisory feedback with