Re: Kernel 2.4 for etch or not

2006-02-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I have the following idea regarding security support for 2.4 in etch: - make 2.6 the default for new installs but provide 2.4 for those who want it Do you understand that next year 2.4 kernels will probably not installable on a large fraction of the then current

Re: Kernel 2.4 for etch or not

2006-02-07 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 07 February 2006 12:21, Marco d'Itri wrote: Do you understand that next year 2.4 kernels will probably not installable on a large fraction of the then current hardware? This whole discussion is not about current hardware. It is specifically about older hardware and about some

Re: Kernel 2.4 for etch or not

2006-02-05 Thread Holger Levsen
also volunteer to do/help with.) I dont wanna push this just because I want to maintain the 2.4 kernels (rather I want 2.4 kernels in etch because I prefer rock-solid kernel and systems.) IMHO some users would be happy about a official uptodate 2.4 kernel in etch, that's all. If my todo-lists

Re: Kernel 2.4 for etch or not

2006-02-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 05 February 2006 15:57, Holger Levsen wrote: hhpa has dropped 2.4 support for sarge... s390 also doesnt seem sensible. 2.6 support for S/390 has missing pieces (mainly hardware configuration stuff). Waldi has been working on this recently, but a full switch to 2.6 is not yet an

Re: Kernel 2.4 for etch or not

2006-02-05 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 03:57:45PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Sunday 29 January 2006 00:30, Holger Levsen wrote: There are several reasons why 2.4 is still interesting: - Kernel 2.6 is still a moving target... As Marco d'Itri pointed out, this will stay this way, so I'm

Re: Kernel 2.4 for etch or not

2006-02-05 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
Holger Levsen wrote: * Unfortunatly, nobody from the kernel team is really interested in working on 2.4 anymore. They do security fixes for the 2.4 kernels in woody and sarge, for which I'm very thankful, but that's about it. Even though 2.4 is moving very slowly nowadays

Re: Kernel 2.4 for etch or not

2006-01-30 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 30 January 2006 03:29, Alexander Schmehl wrote: Wouldn't it then be possible then to drop D-I support for 2.4 and ask user to install the old kernel, if needed after the installation? At least if supporting 2.4 for D-I is getting to complicate... Switching from 2.4 to 2.6 (and vice

Re: Kernel 2.4 for etch or not

2006-01-30 Thread dann frazier
On Sun, 2006-01-29 at 23:18 +0100, maximilian attems wrote: On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: Holger Levsen wrote: Even though 2.4 is moving very slowly nowadays (mostly security updates, very seldom new drivers are including), this is more work than needed,

Re: Kernel 2.4 for etch or not

2006-01-30 Thread Horms
Hi Holger, thanks for raising this important issue and sorry for being slow to reply. I think that I agree with pretty much everything you wrote, so I won't reiterate that here. However, I'd like to take the opportunity to clarify my position with regards to 2.4 in Etch. When I first became

Re: Kernel 2.4 for etch or not

2006-01-30 Thread Horms
On the topic of Security fixes and 2.4's upstream. Dann, myself, and all others involved endeavour to push any patches we find that are missing from upstream to the relevant parties. This includes 2.4 and 2.6, security and non-security patches. Marcelo has specifically asked vendors (and others)

Re: Kernel 2.4 for etch or not

2006-01-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Kernel 2.6 is still a moving target... And it will always be, so people should learn to deal with this. - Some hardware is only supported with 2.4, for example older laptops which need APM and don't work with ACPI. Also some non-i386 machines. What about

Re: Kernel 2.4 for etch or not

2006-01-29 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
Holger Levsen wrote: * This is a blog entry I wanted to write for about six weeks now, but I=20 was busy with other stuff. In December 2005 I got curious why 2.4.32 wasn't packaged for Debian and investigated the situation a bit. There are several reasons why 2.4 is still

Re: Kernel 2.4 for etch or not

2006-01-29 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Jan 29, 2006 at 12:30:04AM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: - According to popcon, 6-7% of the i386 users have a kernel-2.4 image installed. How much of those are using it out of pure inertai, ond how many really need it ? * Of course there are some issues which need to be

Re: Kernel 2.4 for etch or not

2006-01-29 Thread maximilian attems
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: Holger Levsen wrote: Even though 2.4 is moving very slowly nowadays (mostly security updates, very seldom new drivers are including), this is more work than needed, because every fix needs to be backported to 2.4.27 (and 2.4.18 for

Re: Kernel 2.4 for etch or not

2006-01-29 Thread Christian T. Steigies
On Sun, Jan 29, 2006 at 01:39:42PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Horms made a [2 presentation] about the kernel packaging in debian for LCA and gave two options: a.) support and backport fixes for 2.4.27 or b.) go with 2.4.32. Somehow he did not consider the option of

Re: Kernel 2.4 for etch or not

2006-01-29 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 29 January 2006 00:30, Holger Levsen [1] wrote:     - it's not sensible to have powerpc and amd64 flavors, and probably       others. So this kernel package will not be arch any. (Which is not       really a problem, but unusual.) Probably hppa, ia64 and also alpha won't need 2.4 for

Re: Kernel 2.4 for etch or not

2006-01-29 Thread Alexander Schmehl
Hi! * Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060130 01:54]: On Sunday 29 January 2006 00:30, Holger Levsen [1] wrote: - Some hardware is only supported with 2.4, for example older laptops which need APM and don't work with ACPI. Also some non-i386 machines. Are there any cases, where you can't