Re: My understanding of the IDE mess, and why it does not make sense to apply the proposed patch

2006-03-09 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Jurij Smakov [Wed, Mar 08 2006, 10:35:38PM]: the native IDE drivers set this flag during their initialization (via82cxxx does it through the chain of calls ide_setup_pci_device() - probe_hwif_init_with_fixup() - hwif_init()). So, if ide-generic is loaded last, it will

Re: My understanding of the IDE mess, and why it does not make sense to apply the proposed patch

2006-03-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 10:51:24AM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: #include hallo.h * Jurij Smakov [Wed, Mar 08 2006, 10:35:38PM]: the native IDE drivers set this flag during their initialization (via82cxxx does it through the chain of calls ide_setup_pci_device() -

Re: My understanding of the IDE mess, and why it does not make sense to apply the proposed patch

2006-03-09 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 09 March 2006 07:35, Jurij Smakov wrote: Looking at the code I cannot see how the native drivers can depend in any way on the ide-generic being loaded before them. This has never been the claim. The issue is that the real driver needs to be loaded but that devices will not become

Re: My understanding of the IDE mess, and why it does not make sense to apply the proposed patch

2006-03-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 11:30:47AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: On Thursday 09 March 2006 07:35, Jurij Smakov wrote: Looking at the code I cannot see how the native drivers can depend in any way on the ide-generic being loaded before them. This has never been the claim. The issue is that the

Re: My understanding of the IDE mess, and why it does not make sense to apply the proposed patch

2006-03-09 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:51:24 +0100 Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #include hallo.h * Jurij Smakov [Wed, Mar 08 2006, 10:35:38PM]: Looking at the code I cannot see how the native drivers can depend in any way on the ide-generic being loaded before them. ide-generic is loaded _after_

Re: My understanding of the IDE mess, and why it does not make sense to apply the proposed patch

2006-03-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 11:52:01AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: I suggest going a bit further and _not_ loading ide-generic if a specific driver has been loaded successfully and found some devices. I welcome the proposal of improving yaird to only load ide-generic if the device did not

Re: My understanding of the IDE mess, and why it does not make sense to apply the proposed patch

2006-03-09 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Jurij Smakov wrote: Looking at the code I cannot see how the native drivers can depend in any way on the ide-generic being loaded before them. While I have not thoroughly tested 2.6.15 in this respect, in 2.6.8 and 2.6.12 some IDE drivers, on some hardware, absolutely does[0]. Maybe this is

Re: My understanding of the IDE mess, and why it does not make sense to apply the proposed patch

2006-03-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 12:15:33PM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Jurij Smakov wrote: Looking at the code I cannot see how the native drivers can depend in any way on the ide-generic being loaded before them. While I have not thoroughly tested 2.6.15 in this respect, in 2.6.8 and

Re: My understanding of the IDE mess, and why it does not make sense to apply the proposed patch

2006-03-09 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 09 March 2006 18:15, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Jurij Smakov wrote: While I have not thoroughly tested 2.6.15 in this respect, in 2.6.8 and 2.6.12 some IDE drivers, on some hardware, absolutely does[0]. Maybe this is fixed in 2.6.15/16. I've forwarded this message to [EMAIL

Re: My understanding of the IDE mess, and why it does not make sense to apply the proposed patch

2006-03-09 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Sven Luther wrote: While I have not thoroughly tested 2.6.15 in this respect, in 2.6.8 and 2.6.12 some IDE drivers, on some hardware, absolutely does[0]. Maybe this is fixed in 2.6.15/16. Do you know why this happened ? I will look at the code in 2.6.12 this evening to understand this.

Re: My understanding of the IDE mess, and why it does not make sense to apply the proposed patch

2006-03-09 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
posted mailed Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Actually, the machine I'm at right now has ide-generic in its /etc/modules file, after piix; I added it there by hand for 2.6.8, probably (this machine boots off SATA, so IDE is only needed after boot for the e.g., DVD-RW). Its currently on 2.6.15;

Re: My understanding of the IDE mess, and why it does not make sense to apply the proposed patch

2006-03-08 Thread Sven Luther
Dear technical comittee members, .. First excuses for me going over the border yesterday, but as you will see the problem was as i first voiced it somewhen in november/december, and it is a bit difficult to handle this kind of situation when you are right, and people just ignore or bullshit you

Re: My understanding of the IDE mess, and why it does not make sense to apply the proposed patch

2006-03-08 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 12:08:00AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Dear technical comittee members, .. First excuses for me going over the border yesterday, but as you will see the problem was as i first voiced it somewhen in november/december, and it is a bit difficult to handle this kind of

Re: My understanding of the IDE mess, and why it does not make sense to apply the proposed patch

2006-03-08 Thread Jurij Smakov
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Sven Luther wrote: As quoted from http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxKernelIdeProblem, it is no clear that ide-generic and via82cxxx to take only one example do exactly the same thing, and there is no way both could be needed at the same time, and in fact it is contrary, what do i