Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:07 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net wrote: [ please do try to remove debian-release from replies - my mistake please try not to propagage it, even though it may be too late!] On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread Thomas Petazzoni
Hello, On Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:48:27 -0400, jonsm...@gmail.com wrote: fex covers *eevvveeerrthng* - right from flipping the multiplexing for all 3 SD/MMC cards so that you can pretend that SD0 is SD2 and you can specify *different* GPIOs for each to say which is You can do

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread Stefan Monnier
so the point is: if anyone wishes me to propose to allwinner that they convert over to devicetree, or any other proposal which involves significant low-level changes to their working practices that could potentially have a massive knock-on effect onto their multi-million-dollar clients, it

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 11:38:52PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: their sheer overwhelming success provides us with mass-volume ultra-low cost hardware. to not make an effort to accommodate them would in this specific instance be a huge missed opportunity, responsibility for

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Adam D. Barratt
[non-debian lists dropped] On Wed, 2013-06-05 at 20:46 +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: what's the point of mentioning this? well, the point is: the expectation of the linux kernel developers is that Everyone Must Convert To DeviceTree. [...] thoughts and discussion appreciated.

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread jonsm...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net wrote: On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: The 3.8.y branch is over, so I think we have to move to 3.9, ready or not. I merged the work in progress from trunk to sid and am

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread jonsm...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.netwrote: On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: The 3.8.y branch is over, so I think we have to move to 3.9, ready or not. I merged the work in progress from trunk to sid and am

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
[i've just received word, please remove debian-release from discussions!] On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:46 PM, jonsm...@gmail.com jonsm...@gmail.com wrote: Why don't you try converting the sunxi code over to device tree? ok. perhaps i wasn't clear. whatever is proposed has to be be acceptable to

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
[ please remove debian-release from future replies! my mistake - please don't propagate it, thanks ] On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Stephen Warren swar...@wwwdotorg.org wrote: On 06/05/2013 02:46 PM, jonsm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Stephen Warren
On 06/05/2013 02:46 PM, jonsm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net mailto:l...@lkcl.net wrote: ... the detect line, which is the write-protect line, to setting the DRAM clock timings, saying which kernel driver must be loaded to

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Russell King - ARM Linux
On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 03:00:13PM -0600, Stephen Warren wrote: 2) Having U-Boot itself read a DT and configure itself, just like the kernel does. This is relatively new, and only supported by a few boards (all Tegra to some extent, and a couple each Samsung Exynos and Xilinx boards). I

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 10:24:15PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: https://github.com/linux-sunxi/u-boot-sunxi And Then Some, stephen. there are two versions of u-boot being used: one is the community-assembled [GPL-compliant] one, and the other includes a

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
[ please do try to remove debian-release from replies - my mistake please try not to propagage it, even though it may be too late!] On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux li...@arm.linux.org.uk wrote: eyy, allo russell, long time since we last spoke, which was eek around 2004

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Tomasz Figa
Hi Luke, On Wednesday 05 of June 2013 22:15:08 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: [i've just received word, please remove debian-release from discussions!] On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:46 PM, jonsm...@gmail.com jonsm...@gmail.com wrote: Why don't you try converting the sunxi code over to

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Russell King - ARM Linux
On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 05:38:45PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: I haven't personally dealt with any nvidia arm devices, so I have no idea how those are turning out, nor have I looked much at the marvell ones yet (even though I have a cubox sitting on my desk I intend to play around with).

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Tomasz Figa
On Wednesday 05 of June 2013 16:48:27 jonsm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net wrote: On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: The 3.8.y branch is over, so I think we have to move to 3.9, ready

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Tomasz Figa tomasz.f...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Luke, allo tomasz :) ok - much of what you say is duplicated by what russell said, so in effect the same reply is relevant, but there's been some cross-over. i'll summarise below and cut all but the key question

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Tomasz Figa
On Wednesday 05 of June 2013 22:16:37 Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 03:00:13PM -0600, Stephen Warren wrote: 2) Having U-Boot itself read a DT and configure itself, just like the kernel does. This is relatively new, and only supported by a few boards (all Tegra to

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Bastian Blank
On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 08:46:30PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: to begin to describe the problem in getting allwinner soc source code upstream is this: not only do we have the usual let's get it out the door as fast as possible learning curve of a very young, very new and

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
[removing debian-release again - at their request] On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Tomasz Figa tomasz.f...@gmail.com wrote: Allwinner has just reinvented a wheel, without even considering the fact that it has been already invented. apologies, tomasz, but i believe i covered this issue in,

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Tomasz Figa
On Wednesday 05 of June 2013 23:38:52 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Tomasz Figa tomasz.f...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Luke, allo tomasz :) ok - much of what you say is duplicated by what russell said, so in effect the same reply is relevant, but

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Tomasz Figa tomasz.f...@gmail.com wrote: their sheer overwhelming success provides us with mass-volume ultra-low cost hardware. to not make an effort to accommodate them would in this specific instance be a huge missed opportunity, OK, this is a large

Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 11:56:43PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: so there's a lot of factors which i believe the linux kernel developers are not aware of, and haven't taken into account, and to place blame onto the SoC vendors for not working with *you* when *you* haven't made an