Bug#627837: linux-2.6: Aufs apparently silently dropped, breaking debian-live
On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 00:39 +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote: tag 627837 patch thanks i've updated aufs in my own kernel tree, feel free to merge: http://vcs.progress-linux.org/?p=packages/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff; h=26a2fd380e516f1df527c0357334eb5e10cdccb3 http://vcs.progress-linux.org/?p=packages/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff; h=973422c91686a621ecd81db1813ed3e77a837b2c I can't merge from git to svn. However I regenerated the patches from aufs2-standalone, fixed up the obvious context error, and got the same result as you. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Once a job is fouled up, anything done to improve it makes it worse. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Bug#627837: linux-2.6: Aufs apparently silently dropped, breaking debian-live
Daniel Baumann daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.net writes: On 05/29/2011 10:34 PM, Julien Cristau wrote: The maintainers have already made that call, and I don't see a reason to override their decision. so no change after squeeze, the release team gives a shit about breaking debian-live, sigh. but don't worry, from now on, i will not care anymore either. I believe your address is wrong. This is neither about the release team, nor the kernel team. As for the kernel team, the message they sent you over a year ago should be pretty clear (and it wasn't the first one AFAIK): http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=573189#31 They way I read that message, it has: 1) a requirement that aufs2 is going to be updated to work with upstream kernel releases 2) no promise that the kernel team will do this work, or even aid it 3) no promise about this support continuing forever (more than a year might be considered more than a while by many) 4) absolutely no promise that a while will last until wheezy is released 5) a polite request that you do whatever you can to aid in development of union mounts Did you read something else? In the mean time, we've seen dicussions like this one: https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/3/23/72 where the fact that Debian includes aufs2 is abused as an argument against union mounts! Where were you in that discussion? Ben did what he could, but I wouldn't be suprised if most people just thought: Used by Debian == must be OK. For a reason. It usually works like that :-) But it is pretty clear that the outcome of that thread could have been quite another if you and Ben had presented the union mount ready debian-live and a plan for getting that into wheezy instead of aufs2. Please stop this nonsense now, and start working with the kernel team instead of against them. And that also means working with upstream kernel maintainers, who have been pretty clear wrt the future of aufs2: There is none. Bjørn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/8762osr2pl@nemi.mork.no
Bug#627837: linux-2.6: Aufs apparently silently dropped, breaking debian-live
On 05/25/2011 12:54 AM, Daniel Baumann wrote: i hereby request that: * the release team overwrites the maintainers 'decision' to downgrade #627837 from severity serious to important by marking #627837 RC by restoring the severity to serious * the release team makes sure that 2.6.39 does *not* migrate to testing before #627837 has been fixed. ping. linux-2.6 has aged 7 of 10 days already.. remeber that should the broken kernel migrate to testing, this will basically mean we can stop doing debian-live work within debian for about as long as it takes until the fixed version of the kernel enters testing again (which can, by experience, be quite long). -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Donnerbuehlweg 3, CH-3012 Bern Email: daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.net Internet: http://people.progress-technologies.net/~daniel.baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de27fe5.7030...@progress-technologies.net
Bug#627837: linux-2.6: Aufs apparently silently dropped, breaking debian-live
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 19:18:29 +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote: On 05/25/2011 12:54 AM, Daniel Baumann wrote: i hereby request that: * the release team overwrites the maintainers 'decision' to downgrade #627837 from severity serious to important by marking #627837 RC by restoring the severity to serious * the release team makes sure that 2.6.39 does *not* migrate to testing before #627837 has been fixed. ping. linux-2.6 has aged 7 of 10 days already.. remeber that should the broken kernel migrate to testing, this will basically mean we can stop doing debian-live work within debian for about as long as it takes until the fixed version of the kernel enters testing again (which can, by experience, be quite long). Then work with the kernel team to resolve this, and make sure what you need is ready in the future when a new kernel is released, instead of making others chase external patches for you. Cheers, Julien -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110529181838.gu2...@radis.liafa.jussieu.fr
Bug#627837: linux-2.6: Aufs apparently silently dropped, breaking debian-live
On 05/29/2011 08:18 PM, Julien Cristau wrote: Then work with the kernel team to resolve this, and make sure what you need is ready in the future when a new kernel is released, instead of making others chase external patches for you. it has always been ready, that's not the problem. -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Donnerbuehlweg 3, CH-3012 Bern Email: daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.net Internet: http://people.progress-technologies.net/~daniel.baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de29013.8040...@progress-technologies.net
Bug#627837: linux-2.6: Aufs apparently silently dropped, breaking debian-live
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 20:27:31 +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote: On 05/29/2011 08:18 PM, Julien Cristau wrote: Then work with the kernel team to resolve this, and make sure what you need is ready in the future when a new kernel is released, instead of making others chase external patches for you. it has always been ready, that's not the problem. Maybe it was ready in your mind, but it wasn't in debian-kernel svn or mailing list (and as far as I can tell the kernel maintainers even checked aufs git before the .39 upload, and didn't find any recent changes there). So yeah, that's exactly the problem. Cheers, Julien -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110529195301.gv2...@radis.liafa.jussieu.fr
Bug#627837: linux-2.6: Aufs apparently silently dropped, breaking debian-live
On 05/29/2011 09:53 PM, Julien Cristau wrote: Maybe it was ready in your mind, but it wasn't in debian-kernel svn or mailing list (and as far as I can tell the kernel maintainers even checked aufs git before the .39 upload, and didn't find any recent changes there). So yeah, that's exactly the problem. no; aufs.git was up2date. in time. way before. -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Donnerbuehlweg 3, CH-3012 Bern Email: daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.net Internet: http://people.progress-technologies.net/~daniel.baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de2a6b3.3060...@progress-technologies.net
Bug#627837: linux-2.6: Aufs apparently silently dropped, breaking debian-live
On 05/29/2011 10:04 PM, Daniel Baumann wrote: no; aufs.git was up2date. in time. way before. oh.. and before you ask.. 'way before' means 'at least 2011-04-18, but possibly even earlier' (yes, that really is a month before .39 was released). -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Donnerbuehlweg 3, CH-3012 Bern Email: daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.net Internet: http://people.progress-technologies.net/~daniel.baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de2a9a8.4060...@progress-technologies.net
Bug#627837: linux-2.6: Aufs apparently silently dropped, breaking debian-live
severity 627837 serious quit Daniel Baumann wrote: oh.. and before you ask.. 'way before' means 'at least 2011-04-18, but possibly even earlier' (yes, that really is a month before .39 was released). I don't see the value of this discussion --- it's water under the bridge, anyway. I'm setting the severity to serious, even though I am neither part of the release team nor a maintainer for the package. Either should of course feel free to set it back. Hopefully once a testing-plus-packages-from-sid distribution is available for d-i and debian-live use, these decisions can be less painful. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110529202818.GA14683@elie
Bug#627837: linux-2.6: Aufs apparently silently dropped, breaking debian-live
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 15:28:18 -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote: I'm setting the severity to serious, even though I am neither part of the release team nor a maintainer for the package. Either should of course feel free to set it back. The maintainers have already made that call, and I don't see a reason to override their decision. Cheers, Julien -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110529203458.gw2...@radis.liafa.jussieu.fr
Bug#627837: linux-2.6: Aufs apparently silently dropped, breaking debian-live
severity 627837 important quit Julien Cristau wrote: On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 15:28:18 -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote: I'm setting the severity to serious, even though I am neither part of the release team nor a maintainer for the package. Either should of course feel free to set it back. The maintainers have already made that call, and I don't see a reason to override their decision. Ah, ok. It would be nice to have a policy for this kind of problem in the future (changes that break debian-live or d-i). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110529203836.GA14896@elie
Bug#627837: linux-2.6: Aufs apparently silently dropped, breaking debian-live
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:16:40PM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote: On 05/29/2011 10:04 PM, Daniel Baumann wrote: On 05/29/2011 09:53 PM, Julien Cristau wrote: Maybe it was ready in your mind, but it wasn't in debian-kernel svn or mailing list (and as far as I can tell the kernel maintainers even checked aufs git before the .39 upload, and didn't find any recent changes there). So yeah, that's exactly the problem. no; aufs.git was up2date. in time. way before. oh.. and before you ask.. 'way before' means 'at least 2011-04-18, but possibly even earlier' (yes, that really is a month before .39 was released). And what is the URL for aufs.git? And where is that information shared before? And frankly, I don't have time to check the stated facts. What I do like to see, is that this bug report is about solving an issue, NOT about who should have done what and when. So far my attempt to stop the fight. Now going forward to a solution. The previous provide URLs got some how line wrapped. In this resend they should without the line break. http://vcs.progress-linux.org/?p=packages/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=26a2fd380e516f1df527c0357334eb5e10cdccb3 http://vcs.progress-linux.org/?p=packages/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=973422c91686a621ecd81db1813ed3e77a837b2c HTH Stappers signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#627837: linux-2.6: Aufs apparently silently dropped, breaking debian-live
On 05/29/2011 10:34 PM, Julien Cristau wrote: The maintainers have already made that call, and I don't see a reason to override their decision. so no change after squeeze, the release team gives a shit about breaking debian-live, sigh. but don't worry, from now on, i will not care anymore either. bye, have fun. -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Donnerbuehlweg 3, CH-3012 Bern Email: daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.net Internet: http://people.progress-technologies.net/~daniel.baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de2b823.8040...@progress-technologies.net
Bug#627837: linux-2.6: Aufs apparently silently dropped, breaking debian-live
Daniel Baumann daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.netMay 29, 2011 5:18:27 PM On 05/29/2011 10:34 PM, Julien Cristau wrote: The maintainers have already made that call, and I don't see a reason to override their decision. so no change after squeeze, the release team gives a shit about breaking debian-live, sigh. but don't worry, from now on, i will not care anymore either. It's not fun here either. fwiw: 38 started getting less stable than what I'm used to seeing for at least a year now. 39 is much more volatile than any other kernel I've seen in unstable for more than a year. I have no advice for either side of this. bye, have fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/257056.62243...@web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com
Bug#627837: linux-2.6: Aufs apparently silently dropped, breaking debian-live
On Sun, 2011-05-29 at 22:04 +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote: On 05/29/2011 09:53 PM, Julien Cristau wrote: Maybe it was ready in your mind, but it wasn't in debian-kernel svn or mailing list (and as far as I can tell the kernel maintainers even checked aufs git before the .39 upload, and didn't find any recent changes there). So yeah, that's exactly the problem. no; aufs.git was up2date. in time. way before. $ git remote update aufs Fetching aufs error: Unable to find 15722bf9a99b2d98304710021f750f33eee19498 under http://git.c3sl.ufpr.br/pub/scm/aufs/aufs2-2.6.git Cannot obtain needed commit 15722bf9a99b2d98304710021f750f33eee19498 while processing commit a74d7008d25093b5d1fecb7f33df98570fddbf7e. error: Fetch failed. error: Could not fetch aufs Is there a new canonical repository for aufs? Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Once a job is fouled up, anything done to improve it makes it worse. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#627837: linux-2.6: Aufs apparently silently dropped, breaking debian-live
On 05/30/2011 04:16 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote: Is there a new canonical repository for aufs? it always was http://git.c3sl.ufpr.br/pub/scm/aufs/aufs2-standalone.git, like referenced from aufs.sf.net. -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Donnerbuehlweg 3, CH-3012 Bern Email: daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.net Internet: http://people.progress-technologies.net/~daniel.baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de32075.7050...@progress-technologies.net
Bug#627837: linux-2.6: Aufs apparently silently dropped, breaking debian-live
Package: linux-2.6 Severity: serious Hi, in 2.6.39, apparently aufs was silently dropped, please re-enable. Regards, Daniel -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Donnerbuehlweg 3, CH-3012 Bern Email: daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.net Internet: http://people.progress-technologies.net/~daniel.baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ddc1269.10...@progress-technologies.net
Bug#627837: linux-2.6: Aufs apparently silently dropped, breaking debian-live
tag 627837 patch thanks i've updated aufs in my own kernel tree, feel free to merge: http://vcs.progress-linux.org/?p=packages/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff; h=26a2fd380e516f1df527c0357334eb5e10cdccb3 http://vcs.progress-linux.org/?p=packages/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff; h=973422c91686a621ecd81db1813ed3e77a837b2c Regards, Daniel -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Donnerbuehlweg 3, CH-3012 Bern Email: daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.net Internet: http://people.progress-technologies.net/~daniel.baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ddc339e.20...@progress-technologies.net
Bug#627837: linux-2.6: Aufs apparently silently dropped, breaking debian-live
to prevent further severity ping-pong.. Given that: * 2.6.39 without aufs nor unionmount is not usable in *any* way for debian-live and thus debian-live being completely broken * 2.6.38 has aufs and is in testing * debian-live being a part of debian where we should not release without i hereby request that: * the release team overwrites the maintainers 'decision' to downgrade #627837 from severity serious to important by marking #627837 RC by restoring the severity to serious * the release team makes sure that 2.6.39 does *not* migrate to testing before #627837 has been fixed. Regards, Daniel -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Donnerbuehlweg 3, CH-3012 Bern Email: daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.net Internet: http://people.progress-technologies.net/~daniel.baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ddc3732.8030...@progress-technologies.net
Bug#627837: linux-2.6: Aufs apparently silently dropped, breaking debian-live
On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 00:39 +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote: tag 627837 patch thanks i've updated aufs in my own kernel tree, feel free to merge: http://vcs.progress-linux.org/?p=packages/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff; h=26a2fd380e516f1df527c0357334eb5e10cdccb3 http://vcs.progress-linux.org/?p=packages/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff; h=973422c91686a621ecd81db1813ed3e77a837b2c Oh, that's more like it, thanks. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Once a job is fouled up, anything done to improve it makes it worse. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
