Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-04-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 9 Apr 2006, Eduard Bloch wrote: #include hallo.h * Manoj Srivastava [Sun, Apr 09 2006, 01:54:03AM]: And there are additional targets that m-a-infected rules file provide, used to predict the file location and debug the build environment. I am not sure I understand. Predict which file

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-04-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 8 Apr 2006, Eduard Bloch wrote: include hallo.h * Manoj Srivastava [Sat, Apr 08 2006, 09:14:14AM]: On 6 Apr 2006, Eduard Bloch wrote: include hallo.h * Sven Luther [Thu, Apr 06 2006, 08:09:46AM]: On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 09:12:08PM -0700, Jurij Smakov wrote: On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Sven

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-04-09 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Manoj Srivastava [Sun, Apr 09 2006, 01:54:03AM]: And there are additional targets that m-a-infected rules file provide, used to predict the file location and debug the build environment. I am not sure I understand. Predict which file location? Output file.

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-04-08 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 6 Apr 2006, Eduard Bloch wrote: #include hallo.h * Sven Luther [Thu, Apr 06 2006, 08:09:46AM]: On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 09:12:08PM -0700, Jurij Smakov wrote: On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Sven Luther wrote: So, directly using make-kpkg as was the recomended way until now is no more supported ?

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-04-08 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Manoj Srivastava [Sat, Apr 08 2006, 09:14:14AM]: On 6 Apr 2006, Eduard Bloch wrote: #include hallo.h * Sven Luther [Thu, Apr 06 2006, 08:09:46AM]: On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 09:12:08PM -0700, Jurij Smakov wrote: On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Sven Luther wrote: So, directly

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-04-06 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 09:12:08PM -0700, Jurij Smakov wrote: On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Sven Luther wrote: So, directly using make-kpkg as was the recomended way until now is no more supported ? Recommended by whom? :-) I did not explore the issue in detail, but we By Manoj :), as well as

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-04-06 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Sven Luther [Thu, Apr 06 2006, 08:09:46AM]: On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 09:12:08PM -0700, Jurij Smakov wrote: On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Sven Luther wrote: So, directly using make-kpkg as was the recomended way until now is no more supported ? Recommended by whom? :-) I did

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-04-05 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 10:37:43PM -0700, Jurij Smakov wrote: Hi, In the discussion I've seen so far most people tend to favor the system, in which each individual module package builds the binary packages matching the current kernels. Based on that I've written a very preliminary draft

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-04-05 Thread Jurij Smakov
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Sven Luther wrote: So, directly using make-kpkg as was the recomended way until now is no more supported ? Recommended by whom? :-) I did not explore the issue in detail, but we have a *lot* of modules packaged with module-assistant in the archive already. If that way

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-04-04 Thread Bastian Blank
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 10:37:43PM -0700, Jurij Smakov wrote: Hi, In the discussion I've seen so far most people tend to favor the system, in which each individual module package builds the binary packages matching the current kernels. Based on that I've written a very preliminary draft

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-04-04 Thread Jurij Smakov
On Tue, 4 Apr 2006, Bastian Blank wrote: On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 10:37:43PM -0700, Jurij Smakov wrote: There is already one available on svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-voip/zaptel-modules/trunk/debian. or http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-voip/zaptel-modules/trunk/debian/ Great! I'll have a look,

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-04-04 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Jurij Smakov [Tue, Apr 04 2006, 09:34:29AM]: On Tue, 4 Apr 2006, Bastian Blank wrote: On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 10:37:43PM -0700, Jurij Smakov wrote: There is already one available on svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-voip/zaptel-modules/trunk/debian. or

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-04-03 Thread Jurij Smakov
Hi, In the discussion I've seen so far most people tend to favor the system, in which each individual module package builds the binary packages matching the current kernels. Based on that I've written a very preliminary draft of the policy (below). One problem with the described scheme is

Possibility to maintain in tree modules [was Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion]

2006-03-29 Thread Otavio Salvador
Hello, I'm looking into Ubuntu kernel nowadays 'cause a project and found that their idea of maintain the modules directly inside of kernel might be a easier to deal solution in mid and long term. IMHO, keeping our kernel modules outside of kernel itself will work until the module is prove

Re: Possibility to maintain in tree modules [was Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion]

2006-03-29 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 11:10:03AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: Hello, I'm looking into Ubuntu kernel nowadays 'cause a project and found that their idea of maintain the modules directly inside of kernel might be a easier to deal solution in mid and long term. IMHO, keeping our kernel

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-03-28 Thread Jurij Smakov
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006, Sven Luther wrote: [..] 2) do not build module .udebs from out-of-tree packages, and let it be the responsability of the d-i team to extract choice modules from those out-of-tree modules .debs to be repackaged as .debs. I don't know if the d-i team is ready to go that

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-03-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Mar 28, 2006 at 08:12:04PM -0800, Jurij Smakov wrote: On Sun, 26 Mar 2006, Sven Luther wrote: [..] 2) do not build module .udebs from out-of-tree packages, and let it be the responsability of the d-i team to extract choice modules from those out-of-tree modules .debs to be

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-03-25 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 03:29:00PM +0100, Max Vozeler wrote: Let me try again: In order to build module packages for Debian kernel packages and the repackaged -di kernel packages, I need to know at build-time which flavours my package should try to build for so that I can generate

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-03-24 Thread Max Vozeler
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 01:16:45AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: (Your use of the term udeb kernels is confusing and innaccurate. d-i does not use different kernels than anything else.) Indeed, point taken. To clarify: I meant the udeb packages kernel-image-$KVERS-di. Max Vozeler wrote: 2. The

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-03-24 Thread Jurij Smakov
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Max Vozeler wrote: Let me try again: In order to build module packages for Debian kernel packages and the repackaged -di kernel packages, I need to know at build-time which flavours my package should try to build for so that I can generate debian/control accordingly. This

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-03-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 24 March 2006 15:29, Max Vozeler wrote: My question is: How can I determine the subset of flavours that are used in -di packages and that it makes sense to build module udebs for? All flavors d-i builds udebs from for all architectures can be found in the d-i SVN archive in

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-03-23 Thread Bastian Blank
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 02:10:44AM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: That other stuff is what I'm interested in, at this point; waldi claims to be working on stuff[0]. Waldi, can you please expand upon that? It works properly for linux-nonfree-2.6. For further informations please take a look at

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-03-23 Thread Max Vozeler
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 08:32:06PM -0800, Jurij Smakov wrote: * Automatic rebuilds (configurable) on kernel updates. Nothing fancy, just a transparent way to figure out whether the currently installed kernel module source is compatible with the new kernel, and attempt rebuild and

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-03-23 Thread Max Vozeler
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 12:13:16AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Jurij Smakov wrote: * Automatic rebuilds (configurable) on kernel updates. Nothing fancy, just a transparent way to figure out whether the currently installed kernel module source is compatible with the new kernel, and attempt

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-03-23 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 08:32:06PM -0800, Jurij Smakov wrote: Hi, It is pretty obvious (to me, at least) that the need for the official packaging policy for the out-of-tree kernel modules is long overdue. As mentioned on the wiki page dedicated to it [0], the current situation is a mess.

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-03-23 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 12:13:16AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Jurij Smakov wrote: * Automatic rebuilds (configurable) on kernel updates. Nothing fancy, just a transparent way to figure out whether the currently installed kernel module source is compatible with the new kernel, and attempt

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-03-23 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 23 March 2006 21:30, Sven Luther wrote: There are some minor technical hurdles to it, and a strong irrational opposition to it though, so it is probably going to stay a problem. You don't learn, do you? pgppU8gwjUm0D.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-03-23 Thread Max Vozeler
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 09:30:02PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 06:42:23PM +0100, Max Vozeler wrote: 2. The information about flavours used in udeb kernels is not available in linux-headers. For normal flavours waldi's build Sure it is, the whole

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-03-23 Thread Sven Luther
People who don't want to read me, please don't read me :) On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 01:25:25AM +0100, Max Vozeler wrote: On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 09:30:02PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 06:42:23PM +0100, Max Vozeler wrote: 2. The information about flavours used in udeb

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-03-23 Thread Jurij Smakov
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Joey Hess wrote: Jurij Smakov wrote: * Automatic rebuilds (configurable) on kernel updates. Nothing fancy, just a transparent way to figure out whether the currently installed kernel module source is compatible with the new kernel, and attempt rebuild and installation, if

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-03-23 Thread Joey Hess
(Your use of the term udeb kernels is confusing and innaccurate. d-i does not use different kernels than anything else.) Max Vozeler wrote: 1. The version of linux-headers in unstable is sometimes ahead of the udeb kernel-image packages, like right now (2.6.15/2.6.16). Only because the

Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-03-22 Thread Jurij Smakov
Hi, It is pretty obvious (to me, at least) that the need for the official packaging policy for the out-of-tree kernel modules is long overdue. As mentioned on the wiki page dedicated to it [0], the current situation is a mess. I would like to call for a formal discussion, which will eventually

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-03-22 Thread Joey Hess
Jurij Smakov wrote: * Automatic rebuilds (configurable) on kernel updates. Nothing fancy, just a transparent way to figure out whether the currently installed kernel module source is compatible with the new kernel, and attempt rebuild and installation, if neccessary. The thing I really

Re: Modules packaging policy - call for discussion

2006-03-22 Thread Andres Salomon
Jurij Smakov wrote: Hi, It is pretty obvious (to me, at least) that the need for the official packaging policy for the out-of-tree kernel modules is long overdue. As mentioned on the wiki page dedicated to it [0], the current situation is a mess. I would like to call for a formal