On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:28:57 -0500
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
I believe it is important for yaird to apply same strict logic to
all Linux kernels, official or not.
Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Thanks.
I think the following has been
Version: 0.0.12-5
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:51:22 +0100
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Notice that on wednesday, this bug will be open since 3 month, if i
am not wrong,
Ah - for some reason my bug-closing hint in changelog was ignored. How
very annoying...
- Jonas
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On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 11:58:58AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Version: 0.0.12-5
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:51:22 +0100
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Notice that on wednesday, this bug will be open since 3 month, if i
am not wrong,
Ah - for some reason my bug-closing hint in
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Do you consider the following a reasonable resolution?:
Sounds fine to me. Though it looks like your changelog entry has been
mangled a little:
bug#345067 (thanks especially to Jurij Smakov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
bug#for
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:07:14 -0500
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Do you consider the following a reasonable resolution?:
Sounds fine to me.
Great. :-)
Though it looks like your changelog entry has been mangled a little:
bug#345067 (thanks
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 11:58:58AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Version: 0.0.12-5
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:51:22 +0100
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Notice that on wednesday, this bug will be open since 3 month, if i
am not wrong,
Ah - for some reason my bug-closing hint in
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:55:48 +0100
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 11:58:58AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Version: 0.0.12-5
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:51:22 +0100
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Notice that on wednesday, this bug will be open since
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 09:09:45PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:55:48 +0100
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 11:58:58AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Version: 0.0.12-5
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:51:22 +0100
Sven Luther [EMAIL
For info, ...
It seems that i am to get blamed for everything that went badly after all, and
it is perfectly normal for jonas not to aknowledge the effort i put into
solving this issue, while he was just ignoring it and putting out random crazy
theories for not acting.
I am disgusted with how
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:28:12 +0100
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
jonas believes it is more important to not break whatever the user
may do, rather than have good support for official kernels,
No, I believe those use cases are equally important.
I believe it is important for yaird to
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:13:42 +0100
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, basically, you applied a workaround patch without caution and
without understanding fully the issue, while strongly refused when i
did the same, and furthermore in a much less intrusive way.
Thank you
On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 01:34:11PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:13:42 +0100
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, basically, you applied a workaround patch without caution and
without understanding fully the issue, while strongly refused when i
did the same,
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
I believe it is important for yaird to apply same strict logic to all
Linux kernels, official or not.
Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
I think the following has been discovered:
1. The ide-generic requirement was added by the modular IDE patch, which
Debian included
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 09:48:11AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
Sven Luther wrote:
That means that jonas's fear of breaking self-built kernels is vastly
unfunded, and that he should remove those hacks, include a mention of
the broken kernels in the README file, and maybe propose a
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:52:42 -0800 (PST)
Jurij Smakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
If modular-ide is the sole source of trouble here, then what worked
in 2.6.14-4 and earlier?
The bugreports seem to indicate that things broke in 2.6.14-5 that
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Steve Langasek wrote:
What version of the kernel was this analysis done with? The workaround in
yaird is explicitly commented as existing for the benefit of older kernel
versions; can you assure us that this aspect of the driver design is
unchanged from 2.6.8 through
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 12:00:50AM -0800, Jurij Smakov wrote:
When ide-generic is included (it is loaded after all the native ide
modules), the kernel boots fine. The reason is that in the Debian
2.6.8 sources the ide-generic initialization procedure contains the
call to ide_scan_pcibus(),
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 09:12:42AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 12:00:50AM -0800, Jurij Smakov wrote:
When ide-generic is included (it is loaded after all the native ide
modules), the kernel boots fine. The reason is that in the Debian
2.6.8 sources the ide-generic
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 08:10:12AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
I've done a little poking of my own at sysfs based on the comments in
the yaird code. I can confirm that it is possible for a PCI IDE driver
to be listed as associated with a PCI device without actually being the
driver used to
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 12:40:26AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 08:10:12AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
I've done a little poking of my own at sysfs based on the comments in
the yaird code. I can confirm that it is possible for a PCI IDE driver
to be listed as
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 09:49:18AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
Mmm. When this was happening, could you use and mount partition on this
device ?
And when doing so, do you know which of ide-generic or cmd64x would be
used to
read the drive ?
Are you suggesting that loading cmd64x
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 01:10:27AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 09:49:18AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
Mmm. When this was happening, could you use and mount partition on this
device ?
And when doing so, do you know which of ide-generic or cmd64x would be
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:00:50 -0800 (PST)
Jurij Smakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Steve Langasek wrote:
What version of the kernel was this analysis done with? The
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 12:28:07PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
That patch has been dropped starting with the release of 2.6.15-1
Debian kernel packages, according to changelog.
Yes. It is also noted as being dropped in 2.6.14-6.
The first of my collected[1] Bugreports[2] indicated
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:53:18 +0100
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 12:28:07PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
That patch has been dropped starting with the release of 2.6.15-1
Debian kernel packages, according to
Sven Luther wrote:
That means that jonas's fear of breaking self-built kernels is vastly
unfunded, and that he should remove those hacks, include a mention of
the broken kernels in the README file, and maybe propose a fixed yaird
to stable-proposed-updates or something.
yaird is not in
Jurij Smakov wrote:
That patch has been dropped starting with the release of 2.6.15-1
Debian kernel packages, according to changelog.
I tested my 2.6.12 machine last night, and it does indeed require
ide-generic. My empirical results agree with your analysis.
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On Friday 10 March 2006 15:29, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
If modular-ide is the sole source of trouble here, then what worked in
2.6.14-4 and earlier?
=2.6.12 used initrd-tools and that must still contain the correct magic
to deal with this.
2.6.14 was the first kernel tested with yaird and
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:07:34 +0100
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 10 March 2006 15:29, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
If modular-ide is the sole source of trouble here, then what worked
in 2.6.14-4 and earlier?
=2.6.12 used initrd-tools and that must still contain the correct
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
If modular-ide is the sole source of trouble here, then what worked in
2.6.14-4 and earlier?
The bugreports seem to indicate that things broke in 2.6.14-5 that
worked in 2.6.14-4. And it seems nothing related else than linux-2.6
changed then - not
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 01:35:23AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 10:35:38PM -0800, Jurij Smakov wrote:
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Sven Luther wrote:
As quoted from http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxKernelIdeProblem, it is no clear
that ide-generic and via82cxxx to take only one
#include hallo.h
* Jurij Smakov [Wed, Mar 08 2006, 10:35:38PM]:
the native IDE drivers set this flag during their initialization (via82cxxx
does it through the chain of calls ide_setup_pci_device() -
probe_hwif_init_with_fixup() - hwif_init()). So, if ide-generic is loaded
last, it will
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 10:51:24AM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote:
#include hallo.h
* Jurij Smakov [Wed, Mar 08 2006, 10:35:38PM]:
the native IDE drivers set this flag during their initialization (via82cxxx
does it through the chain of calls ide_setup_pci_device() -
On Thursday 09 March 2006 07:35, Jurij Smakov wrote:
Looking at
the code I cannot see how the native drivers can depend in any way on
the ide-generic being loaded before them.
This has never been the claim. The issue is that the real driver needs to
be loaded but that devices will not become
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 11:30:47AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
On Thursday 09 March 2006 07:35, Jurij Smakov wrote:
Looking at
the code I cannot see how the native drivers can depend in any way on
the ide-generic being loaded before them.
This has never been the claim. The issue is that the
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:51:24 +0100
Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
#include hallo.h
* Jurij Smakov [Wed, Mar 08 2006, 10:35:38PM]:
Looking at the code I cannot see how the native drivers can depend
in any way on the ide-generic being loaded before them.
ide-generic is loaded _after_
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 11:52:01AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
I suggest going a bit further and _not_ loading ide-generic if a
specific driver has been loaded successfully and found some devices.
I welcome the proposal of improving yaird to only load ide-generic if
the device did not
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:43:03 +0100
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 11:30:47AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
On Thursday 09 March 2006 07:35, Jurij Smakov wrote:
Looking at
the code I cannot see how the native drivers can depend in any
way on the ide-generic being
Jurij Smakov wrote:
Looking at the code I cannot see how the
native drivers can depend in any way on the ide-generic being loaded
before them.
While I have not thoroughly tested 2.6.15 in this respect, in 2.6.8 and
2.6.12 some IDE drivers, on some hardware, absolutely does[0]. Maybe
this is
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 12:15:33PM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
Jurij Smakov wrote:
Looking at the code I cannot see how the
native drivers can depend in any way on the ide-generic being loaded
before them.
While I have not thoroughly tested 2.6.15 in this respect, in 2.6.8 and
On Thursday 09 March 2006 18:15, Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
Jurij Smakov wrote:
While I have not thoroughly tested 2.6.15 in this respect, in 2.6.8 and
2.6.12 some IDE drivers, on some hardware, absolutely does[0]. Maybe
this is fixed in 2.6.15/16.
I've forwarded this message to [EMAIL
Sven Luther wrote:
While I have not thoroughly tested 2.6.15 in this respect, in 2.6.8
and 2.6.12 some IDE drivers, on some hardware, absolutely does[0].
Maybe this is fixed in 2.6.15/16.
Do you know why this happened ? I will look at the code in 2.6.12 this
evening to understand this.
posted mailed
Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
Actually, the machine I'm at right now has ide-generic in
its /etc/modules file, after piix; I added it there by hand for 2.6.8,
probably (this machine boots off SATA, so IDE is only needed after
boot for the e.g., DVD-RW). Its currently on 2.6.15;
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 08:08:04PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 11:08:33AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
Steve, what is the interest of doing this ? We only have 2.6.15 currently in
sid/etch, and sarge uses 2.6.8 together with initrd-tool, so it is a
non-issue.
Dear technical comittee members, ..
First excuses for me going over the border yesterday, but as you will see the
problem was as i first voiced it somewhen in november/december, and it is a
bit difficult to handle this kind of situation when you are right, and people
just ignore or bullshit you
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 12:08:00AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
Dear technical comittee members, ..
First excuses for me going over the border yesterday, but as you will see the
problem was as i first voiced it somewhen in november/december, and it is a
bit difficult to handle this kind of
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Sven Luther wrote:
As quoted from http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxKernelIdeProblem, it is no clear
that ide-generic and via82cxxx to take only one example do exactly the same
thing, and there is no way both could be needed at the same time, and in fact
it is contrary, what do i
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