Bug#1064838: New package names break APT safety features, ability to co-install different ABIs
On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 02:20:41PM +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > After we had discussed the new proposal a couple months ago and were > left with severe open questions and concerns it seems that these have > been ignored and the packages uploaded anyway, breaking APT's algorithm > that ensures the currently booted kernel is not offered for removal, as > well as possibly others. The change for that is not even in. Where do you see it? | $ dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r) | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend | |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) | ||/ NameVersion Architecture Description | +++-===---=== | ii linux-image-6.7-cloud-amd64 6.7.4-1~exp1 amd64Linux 6.7 for x86-64 cloud (signed) Also #1060109 is still unanswered. > In addition, this means that the ABI changes within the same package > names, causing different ABIs to no longer be co-installable, which can > have drastic effect on thef function of systems: I asked you several times now: please show a problem. And I also told you this does not work within the confines of Debian. And neither did the kernel team provide this guarantee in the past. So I only see a way forward by preserving modules outside of the normal package lifecycle. Something that is ephemeral and so cleaned up automatically on shutdown. Bastian -- Spock: The odds of surviving another attack are 13562190123 to 1, Captain.
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Processing control commands: > reassign -1 linux Bug #1064838 [linux] New package names break APT safety features, ability to co-install different ABIs Ignoring request to reassign bug #1064838 to the same package -- 1064838: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1064838 Debian Bug Tracking System Contact ow...@bugs.debian.org with problems
Re: Processed: Re: Bug#1064838: New package names break APT safety features, ability to co-install different ABIs
Control: reassign -1 linux Re: Debian Bug Tracking System > Processing control commands: > > > reassign -1 tech-ctte > Bug #1064838 [src:linux] New package names break APT safety features, ability > to co-install different ABIs Please only reassign to tech-ctte after the actual discussion has finished with an open dispute. I see you have open questions to Julian in the bug. Christoph
Processed: Re: Bug#1064838: New package names break APT safety features, ability to co-install different ABIs
Processing control commands: > reassign -1 tech-ctte Bug #1064838 [src:linux] New package names break APT safety features, ability to co-install different ABIs Bug reassigned from package 'src:linux' to 'tech-ctte'. Ignoring request to alter found versions of bug #1064838 to the same values previously set Ignoring request to alter fixed versions of bug #1064838 to the same values previously set > severity -1 normal Bug #1064838 [tech-ctte] New package names break APT safety features, ability to co-install different ABIs Severity set to 'normal' from 'serious' -- 1064838: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1064838 Debian Bug Tracking System Contact ow...@bugs.debian.org with problems
Bug#1064838: New package names break APT safety features, ability to co-install different ABIs
Control: reassign -1 tech-ctte Control: severity -1 normal On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 02:20:41PM +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > In addition, this means that the ABI changes within the same package > names, causing different ABIs to no longer be co-installable, which can > have drastic effect on thef function of systems: This is documented. Unstable and experimental don't need hand holding. > - modules will fail to load until you reboot Yes. That's why I wanted to rename the ABI of the kernel away from the package name. > - modules needed to reboot will fail to load until you reboot (if any) Please provide an example. Sorry. Bastian -- The man on tops walks a lonely street; the "chain" of command is often a noose.
Bug#1064838: New package names break APT safety features, ability to co-install different ABIs
On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 02:20:41PM +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > Source: linux > Severity: serious > X-Debbugs-Cc: j...@debian.org > > After we had discussed the new proposal a couple months ago and were > left with severe open questions and concerns it seems that these have > been ignored and the packages uploaded anyway, breaking APT's algorithm > that ensures the currently booted kernel is not offered for removal, as > well as possibly others. > > In addition, this means that the ABI changes within the same package > names, causing different ABIs to no longer be co-installable, which can > have drastic effect on thef function of systems: > > - modules will fail to load until you reboot > - modules needed to reboot will fail to load until you reboot (if any) > > I do not believe fucking up our users for convenience of the maintainers > and lacking of tools on the ftpmaster side to automatically approve new > ABI renames is the right call here. > > As such if this change is not reverted, I intend to reassign this to > the technical committee for deliberation. This is a followup to the discussion in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1040901 which we discussed all this in October all these concerns were already raised in, and lots of open questions remained that we were nowhere near ready to do this even if we all agreed that was the right move. -- debian developer - deb.li/jak | jak-linux.org - free software dev ubuntu core developer i speak de, en
Bug#1064838: New package names break APT safety features, ability to co-install different ABIs
Source: linux Severity: serious X-Debbugs-Cc: j...@debian.org After we had discussed the new proposal a couple months ago and were left with severe open questions and concerns it seems that these have been ignored and the packages uploaded anyway, breaking APT's algorithm that ensures the currently booted kernel is not offered for removal, as well as possibly others. In addition, this means that the ABI changes within the same package names, causing different ABIs to no longer be co-installable, which can have drastic effect on thef function of systems: - modules will fail to load until you reboot - modules needed to reboot will fail to load until you reboot (if any) I do not believe fucking up our users for convenience of the maintainers and lacking of tools on the ftpmaster side to automatically approve new ABI renames is the right call here. As such if this change is not reverted, I intend to reassign this to the technical committee for deliberation. -- System Information: Debian Release: trixie/sid APT prefers noble APT policy: (500, 'noble'), (500, 'mantic-security') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Foreign Architectures: i386 Kernel: Linux 6.8.0-11-generic (SMP w/16 CPU threads; PREEMPT) Kernel taint flags: TAINT_PROPRIETARY_MODULE, TAINT_OOT_MODULE Locale: LANG=C.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=C.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) (ignored: LC_ALL set to C.UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system) LSM: AppArmor: enabled -- debian developer - deb.li/jak | jak-linux.org - free software dev ubuntu core developer i speak de, en
