Re: OT: was: Subject: led.led solar lamp.cd vcd dvd mp3.car cd vcd dvd mp3.grease gun
mi wrote: > True. I read it up in KHelp. There's no information about the > downloading procedure, however. I wondered if it calls one of > my standard browser's, where Javascript sometimes IS enabled. No, it calls internal KHTML functions of KDE (which are used by Konqueror too), so KMail can reliably control whether or not Javascript is used. > No, sorry, still I'm suspicious. Because i do understand too > less from html and Java. Again, there is no real browser involved in HTML display, so no Java. > Could be some information passed anyway: like MTA which hints > the OS... at least it validates the address and that the > download works. Well, yes. It is actually another reason, why these HTML mails are done -- when stuff is downloaded from the Net, there could be quite a conversation between your computer and spammer's server. > Leading to even more Spam I guess, there is no way any more how to HIDE from spam, you have to actively FIGHT it with some kind of spam filter (the most popular is spamassassin, www.spamassassin.org, but I use bogofilter from bogofilter.sourceforge.net). > On a permanent connection, just receiving kindoff Spam may > cause even gigs of downloads then ? I never heard of such > problem. Theoretically yes, but still there is an equillibrium between what you download and the bandwidth of spammer which is necessary to be used. And given the cottage industry substance of spammer's, I do not think, there are many people willing to sacrifice T1 link just to push out trash with very problematic results (I guess, that there is really really low response rate for spam, so spending obscene amounts of money on it is real waster). > In KMail, the only roughly appropriate chooser still isn't checked. But > apparently it didn't prevent. View/Prefer HTML (or something like that and there is something similar in Options/Preferences/??? -- prefer HTML over Plain ASCII, or something like that). > Ok, anyway, i'll move to gnus for a long time now. > (yes, it's a typo, but exactly true ;-) You really don't have to (unless you are really heavily addicted to Emacs -- then there is no hope :-). Matej -- Matej Cepl, Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC 138 Highland Ave. #10, Somerville, Ma 02143, (617) 623-1488 Give your heartache to him. (1Pt 5,7; Mt 11:28-30)
Re: OT: was: Subject: led.led solar lamp.cd vcd dvd mp3.car cd vcd dvd mp3.grease gun
mi wrote: > True. I read it up in KHelp. There's no information about the > downloading procedure, however. I wondered if it calls one of > my standard browser's, where Javascript sometimes IS enabled. No, it calls internal KHTML functions of KDE (which are used by Konqueror too), so KMail can reliably control whether or not Javascript is used. > No, sorry, still I'm suspicious. Because i do understand too > less from html and Java. Again, there is no real browser involved in HTML display, so no Java. > Could be some information passed anyway: like MTA which hints > the OS... at least it validates the address and that the > download works. Well, yes. It is actually another reason, why these HTML mails are done -- when stuff is downloaded from the Net, there could be quite a conversation between your computer and spammer's server. > Leading to even more Spam I guess, there is no way any more how to HIDE from spam, you have to actively FIGHT it with some kind of spam filter (the most popular is spamassassin, www.spamassassin.org, but I use bogofilter from bogofilter.sourceforge.net). > On a permanent connection, just receiving kindoff Spam may > cause even gigs of downloads then ? I never heard of such > problem. Theoretically yes, but still there is an equillibrium between what you download and the bandwidth of spammer which is necessary to be used. And given the cottage industry substance of spammer's, I do not think, there are many people willing to sacrifice T1 link just to push out trash with very problematic results (I guess, that there is really really low response rate for spam, so spending obscene amounts of money on it is real waster). > In KMail, the only roughly appropriate chooser still isn't checked. But > apparently it didn't prevent. View/Prefer HTML (or something like that and there is something similar in Options/Preferences/??? -- prefer HTML over Plain ASCII, or something like that). > Ok, anyway, i'll move to gnus for a long time now. > (yes, it's a typo, but exactly true ;-) You really don't have to (unless you are really heavily addicted to Emacs -- then there is no hope :-). Matej -- Matej Cepl, Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC 138 Highland Ave. #10, Somerville, Ma 02143, (617) 623-1488 Give your heartache to him. (1Pt 5,7; Mt 11:28-30) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: was: Subject: led.led solar lamp.cd vcd dvd mp3.car cd vcd dvd mp3.grease gun
Hi Matej ! > That's easy: because actually the file is base64 encoded HTML > file which is (again encoded, but gzipped before, so it should be > harmless) frameset with individual frames around the net. Take > a look at it with less. I see you're right. I would really like to understand this. But i don't know how to unencode it, and neither gzip nor unzip recognize it valid, and 'less' shows up only the same stuff as is. And, how can i view a different charset ? Never got such to do. > even if the downloaded stuff would be code, it is quite harmless, because > there is no Javascript active in KMail) True. I read it up in KHelp. There's no information about the downloading procedure, however. I wondered if it calls one of my standard browser's, where Javascript sometimes IS enabled. No, sorry, still I'm suspicious. Because i do understand too less from html and Java. Could be some information passed anyway: like MTA which hints the OS... at least it validates the address and that the download works. Leading to even more Spam > One solution of this problem is to send out HTML which > contains code for downloading visual trash through usual HTTP > ways which are usually capable of pushing much more stuff (and it > is not in the one moment anyway). > Is it sufficient explanation? Yes :) thanks. On a permanent connection, just receiving kindoff Spam may cause even gigs of downloads then ? I never heard of such problem. And one would deactivate the feature immediateley, of course ?! I would like to, also ! In KMail, the only roughly appropriate chooser still isn't checked. But apparently it didn't prevent. Ok, anyway, i'll move to gnus for a long time now. (yes, it's a typo, but exactly true ;-) -- micha. > mi wrote: > > I'm surprised. > > Does anybody know how this SPAM can urge my mailer ( KMail) to request a > > webpage
OT: was: Subject: led.led solar lamp.cd vcd dvd mp3.car cd vcd dvd mp3.grease gun
Hi Matej ! > That's easy: because actually the file is base64 encoded HTML > file which is (again encoded, but gzipped before, so it should be > harmless) frameset with individual frames around the net. Take > a look at it with less. I see you're right. I would really like to understand this. But i don't know how to unencode it, and neither gzip nor unzip recognize it valid, and 'less' shows up only the same stuff as is. And, how can i view a different charset ? Never got such to do. > even if the downloaded stuff would be code, it is quite harmless, because > there is no Javascript active in KMail) True. I read it up in KHelp. There's no information about the downloading procedure, however. I wondered if it calls one of my standard browser's, where Javascript sometimes IS enabled. No, sorry, still I'm suspicious. Because i do understand too less from html and Java. Could be some information passed anyway: like MTA which hints the OS... at least it validates the address and that the download works. Leading to even more Spam > One solution of this problem is to send out HTML which > contains code for downloading visual trash through usual HTTP > ways which are usually capable of pushing much more stuff (and it > is not in the one moment anyway). > Is it sufficient explanation? Yes :) thanks. On a permanent connection, just receiving kindoff Spam may cause even gigs of downloads then ? I never heard of such problem. And one would deactivate the feature immediateley, of course ?! I would like to, also ! In KMail, the only roughly appropriate chooser still isn't checked. But apparently it didn't prevent. Ok, anyway, i'll move to gnus for a long time now. (yes, it's a typo, but exactly true ;-) -- micha. > mi wrote: > > I'm surprised. > > Does anybody know how this SPAM can urge my mailer ( KMail) to request a > > webpage -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
