Re: Dell 8100
On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 11:23:43PM +0100, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote: > Fn-A does suspend-to-disk, at least on the Inspiron 4000, I assume it's the > same on the 8000. The advantage is that the machine is _completely_ off when > it's suspended to disk, so you can change batteries etc. without shutting > down. Oddly enough I found that I could change batteries on an I3700 while suspended (suspend-to-ram, not to disk). I only found out by mistake while showing the machine to a colleague of mine, and he accidentally dropped the battery out of it. I slotted it back in again, opened the lid, and the machine hadn't even noticed! Perhaps it's the same on the I4000 ? - I haven't been daring enough to try on the I4000, but no doubt some "friend" will provoke that scenario again ... > > > -- > Dagfinn I. Mannsåker > GPG Public Key ID: 0x51ECFAC6 > Fingerprint: 48BB A64D CE9B 9A06 65DF 395C D42E CDC4 51EC FAC6 -- Karl E. Jørgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.karl.jorgensen.com "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh pgp5Rl9tQIE3L.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Dell 8100
On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 11:23:43PM +0100, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote: > Fn-A does suspend-to-disk, at least on the Inspiron 4000, I assume it's the > same on the 8000. The advantage is that the machine is _completely_ off when > it's suspended to disk, so you can change batteries etc. without shutting > down. Oddly enough I found that I could change batteries on an I3700 while suspended (suspend-to-ram, not to disk). I only found out by mistake while showing the machine to a colleague of mine, and he accidentally dropped the battery out of it. I slotted it back in again, opened the lid, and the machine hadn't even noticed! Perhaps it's the same on the I4000 ? - I haven't been daring enough to try on the I4000, but no doubt some "friend" will provoke that scenario again ... > > > -- > Dagfinn I. Mannsåker > GPG Public Key ID: 0x51ECFAC6 > Fingerprint: 48BB A64D CE9B 9A06 65DF 395C D42E CDC4 51EC FAC6 -- Karl E. Jørgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.karl.jorgensen.com "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh PGP signature
Re: Dell 8100
* Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake thus: > > > And what is with Suspend-to-Disk? Suspend over FN- works > > > fine here. But I'm not sure, _which_ suspend it is. > > I'm pretty sure fn- does suspend to memory. I don't use > > susp-2-disk. (What good is it really?) > Fn-A does suspend-to-disk, at least on the Inspiron 4000, I assume > it's the same on the 8000. The advantage is that the machine is > _completely_ off when it's suspended to disk, so you can change > batteries etc. without shutting down. > > When resuming, you just boot from the s2d partition (I have an entry > for it in GRUB). Heisann Dagfinn ;-) Fn-A is the key to get my Latitude into s2d as well, but I just wanted to make a quick note; if you have grub installed on a bootable partition and not on MBR, then you don't even need an entry in grub to boot from the s2d partition after suspend. It will "just work". This approach works fine if you use lilo as well. Just have it installed on /dev/hda[1-4] and make this bootable in the MBR. > It's dog slow, though; on my Inspiron 4000 with 256B RAM, a normal > reboot is faster than a suspend/resume to/from disk. I second that. Regards, Stig -- brautaset.org Registered Linux User 107343
Re: Dell 8100
* Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake thus: > > > And what is with Suspend-to-Disk? Suspend over FN- works > > > fine here. But I'm not sure, _which_ suspend it is. > > I'm pretty sure fn- does suspend to memory. I don't use > > susp-2-disk. (What good is it really?) > Fn-A does suspend-to-disk, at least on the Inspiron 4000, I assume > it's the same on the 8000. The advantage is that the machine is > _completely_ off when it's suspended to disk, so you can change > batteries etc. without shutting down. > > When resuming, you just boot from the s2d partition (I have an entry > for it in GRUB). Heisann Dagfinn ;-) Fn-A is the key to get my Latitude into s2d as well, but I just wanted to make a quick note; if you have grub installed on a bootable partition and not on MBR, then you don't even need an entry in grub to boot from the s2d partition after suspend. It will "just work". This approach works fine if you use lilo as well. Just have it installed on /dev/hda[1-4] and make this bootable in the MBR. > It's dog slow, though; on my Inspiron 4000 with 256B RAM, a normal > reboot is faster than a suspend/resume to/from disk. I second that. Regards, Stig -- brautaset.org Registered Linux User 107343 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dell 8100
On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 06:02:06PM +0200, Björn Eriksson wrote: > Hi Goran/Gero! > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 07:14:47PM +0200, Goran Ristic wrote: > > And what is with Suspend-to-Disk? Suspend over FN- works fine here. > > But > > I'm not sure, _which_ suspend it is. > > I'm pretty sure fn- does suspend to memory. I don't use > susp-2-disk. (What good is it really?) Fn-A does suspend-to-disk, at least on the Inspiron 4000, I assume it's the same on the 8000. The advantage is that the machine is _completely_ off when it's suspended to disk, so you can change batteries etc. without shutting down. When resuming, you just boot from the s2d partition (I have an entry for it in GRUB). It's dog slow, though; on my Inspiron 4000 with 256B RAM, a normal reboot is faster than a suspend/resume to/from disk. -- Dagfinn I. Mannsåker GPG Public Key ID: 0x51ECFAC6 Fingerprint: 48BB A64D CE9B 9A06 65DF 395C D42E CDC4 51EC FAC6 pgpt2gl7ygDUU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Dell 8100
On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 06:02:06PM +0200, Björn Eriksson wrote: > Hi Goran/Gero! > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 07:14:47PM +0200, Goran Ristic wrote: > > And what is with Suspend-to-Disk? Suspend over FN- works fine here. But > > I'm not sure, _which_ suspend it is. > > I'm pretty sure fn- does suspend to memory. I don't use > susp-2-disk. (What good is it really?) Fn-A does suspend-to-disk, at least on the Inspiron 4000, I assume it's the same on the 8000. The advantage is that the machine is _completely_ off when it's suspended to disk, so you can change batteries etc. without shutting down. When resuming, you just boot from the s2d partition (I have an entry for it in GRUB). It's dog slow, though; on my Inspiron 4000 with 256B RAM, a normal reboot is faster than a suspend/resume to/from disk. -- Dagfinn I. Mannsåker GPG Public Key ID: 0x51ECFAC6 Fingerprint: 48BB A64D CE9B 9A06 65DF 395C D42E CDC4 51EC FAC6 PGP signature
Re: Dell 8100
Hi Goran/Gero! On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 07:14:47PM +0200, Goran Ristic wrote: > > I've had Debian Stable, Testing and (now) Unstable on my I8000 notebook > > without any problems. The only problem I've had was with Stable since > > the xfree86 package included in Stable is so old. > > > > I'm using X, apm (suspend), pcmcia (occasionally), the built-in modem > > (ltmodem), the built-in ethernet adapter, the touchpad and 'nipple' on > > 2.4.9. > > Did you get IRDA to work? I've played with it a bit, transfering .vcd's from my Siemens SL45 and stuff but I don't really =use= IRDA. > And what is with Suspend-to-Disk? Suspend over FN- works fine here. > But > I'm not sure, _which_ suspend it is. I'm pretty sure fn- does suspend to memory. I don't use susp-2-disk. (What good is it really?) > And is there already a solution for suspending the Laptop while > running under X? I've heard reports of problems with X and suspend but I haven't experienced any my self. Perhaps 'cause I don't use X very much. I did meet a German at HAL2001 (www.hal2001.org) who had problems with suspend+X but he couldn't repeat it when I asked for a demonstration :) -- //Björnen.
Re: Dell 8100
Hi Goran/Gero! On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 07:14:47PM +0200, Goran Ristic wrote: > > I've had Debian Stable, Testing and (now) Unstable on my I8000 notebook > > without any problems. The only problem I've had was with Stable since > > the xfree86 package included in Stable is so old. > > > > I'm using X, apm (suspend), pcmcia (occasionally), the built-in modem > > (ltmodem), the built-in ethernet adapter, the touchpad and 'nipple' on > > 2.4.9. > > Did you get IRDA to work? I've played with it a bit, transfering .vcd's from my Siemens SL45 and stuff but I don't really =use= IRDA. > And what is with Suspend-to-Disk? Suspend over FN- works fine here. But > I'm not sure, _which_ suspend it is. I'm pretty sure fn- does suspend to memory. I don't use susp-2-disk. (What good is it really?) > And is there already a solution for suspending the Laptop while > running under X? I've heard reports of problems with X and suspend but I haven't experienced any my self. Perhaps 'cause I don't use X very much. I did meet a German at HAL2001 (www.hal2001.org) who had problems with suspend+X but he couldn't repeat it when I asked for a demonstration :) -- //Björnen. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dell 8100
Hi Björn! On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Björn Eriksson wrote: > On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 08:28:34PM -0700, Jeremy Vaught wrote: > > I have the 8000 with the ATI Rage Mobility, and I still can't XFree86 > > running, it has been four months of pain. I hold out hope for the next > > release of X, but if that fails me, I'm going to have to go do RH. (Better > > than Windows I suppose, but still not Debian) > > I've had Debian Stable, Testing and (now) Unstable on my I8000 notebook > without any problems. The only problem I've had was with Stable since > the xfree86 package included in Stable is so old. > > I'm using X, apm (suspend), pcmcia (occasionally), the built-in modem > (ltmodem), the built-in ethernet adapter, the touchpad and 'nipple' on > 2.4.9. Did you get IRDA to work? And what is with Suspend-to-Disk? Suspend over FN- works fine here. But I'm not sure, _which_ suspend it is. And is there already a solution for suspending the Laptop while running under X? Thanks. -- Regards, GR | GnuPG-key on keyservers avaible Muck, Dickbaer, Nane... | or mail -s 'get gpg-key' Q: Why did the astrophysicist order three hamburgers? A: Because he was hungry.
Re: Dell 8100
Hi Björn! On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Björn Eriksson wrote: > On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 08:28:34PM -0700, Jeremy Vaught wrote: > > I have the 8000 with the ATI Rage Mobility, and I still can't XFree86 > > running, it has been four months of pain. I hold out hope for the next > > release of X, but if that fails me, I'm going to have to go do RH. (Better > > than Windows I suppose, but still not Debian) > > I've had Debian Stable, Testing and (now) Unstable on my I8000 notebook > without any problems. The only problem I've had was with Stable since > the xfree86 package included in Stable is so old. > > I'm using X, apm (suspend), pcmcia (occasionally), the built-in modem > (ltmodem), the built-in ethernet adapter, the touchpad and 'nipple' on > 2.4.9. Did you get IRDA to work? And what is with Suspend-to-Disk? Suspend over FN- works fine here. But I'm not sure, _which_ suspend it is. And is there already a solution for suspending the Laptop while running under X? Thanks. -- Regards, GR | GnuPG-key on keyservers avaible Muck, Dickbaer, Nane... | or mail -s 'get gpg-key' Q: Why did the astrophysicist order three hamburgers? A: Because he was hungry. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Dell 8100
At 11:28 PM 21/10/2001, Jeremy Vaught wrote: I have the 8000 with the ATI Rage Mobility, and I still can't XFree86 running, it has been four months of pain. I hold out hope for the next release of X, but if that fails me, I'm going to have to go do RH. (Better than Windows I suppose, but still not Debian) You need to use XFree86 4 or above - once I installed 4, I had no problem getting X running. There are a number of config files available on the Internet, but if you can't find one, I could send you mine. Cheers, Noah
RE: Dell 8100
At 11:28 PM 21/10/2001, Jeremy Vaught wrote: >I have the 8000 with the ATI Rage Mobility, and I still can't XFree86 >running, it has been four months of pain. I hold out hope for the next >release of X, but if that fails me, I'm going to have to go do RH. (Better >than Windows I suppose, but still not Debian) You need to use XFree86 4 or above - once I installed 4, I had no problem getting X running. There are a number of config files available on the Internet, but if you can't find one, I could send you mine. Cheers, Noah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dell 8100
On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 08:28:34PM -0700, Jeremy Vaught wrote: > I have the 8000 with the ATI Rage Mobility, and I still can't XFree86 > running, it has been four months of pain. I hold out hope for the next > release of X, but if that fails me, I'm going to have to go do RH. (Better > than Windows I suppose, but still not Debian) I've had Debian Stable, Testing and (now) Unstable on my I8000 notebook without any problems. The only problem I've had was with Stable since the xfree86 package included in Stable is so old. I'm using X, apm (suspend), pcmcia (occasionally), the built-in modem (ltmodem), the built-in ethernet adapter, the touchpad and 'nipple' on 2.4.9. -- //Björnen.
Re: Dell 8100
On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 08:28:34PM -0700, Jeremy Vaught wrote: > I have the 8000 with the ATI Rage Mobility, and I still can't XFree86 > running, it has been four months of pain. I hold out hope for the next > release of X, but if that fails me, I'm going to have to go do RH. (Better > than Windows I suppose, but still not Debian) I've had Debian Stable, Testing and (now) Unstable on my I8000 notebook without any problems. The only problem I've had was with Stable since the xfree86 package included in Stable is so old. I'm using X, apm (suspend), pcmcia (occasionally), the built-in modem (ltmodem), the built-in ethernet adapter, the touchpad and 'nipple' on 2.4.9. -- //Björnen. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dell 8100
> I have the 8000 with the ATI Rage Mobility, and I still can't XFree86 > running, it has been four months of pain. I hold out hope for the next > release of X, but if that fails me, I'm going to have to go do RH. (Better > than Windows I suppose, but still not Debian) I know this is going to sound rather twisted, but if you succeed in getting it working under Redhat, even briefly or poorly, you can use *precisely* the same information under Debian. What would really make a difference is learning whether the config files, or the binaries make the difference for you. If it's a matter in the binaries, you can use dpkg-divert to mark up that the applicable xfree86 parts have been diverted ... that is, so that you can safely install X based software, but an upgrade to the xfree86 server package puts its own files in the diverted place instead of squashing your well behaved binary. BTW I have heard, and am willing to believe, that DELL uses tuned compilations for their systems. So if you are talking about a version of RH that came with your machine... yes, you might get better results from that than from either a standard RH disk or standard Debian. And the answer there would be the same; if they tuned the binary, use a copy of it with whatever distro you finally settle on. ...and if you discover that to be the case I'd *definitely* be on the horn with them to find out what compilation options or other tweaks they did for you. You might want to use some future version of X, and you can't trust that they'll bother to compile it for you when you need it. The point of Linux (imho) is the freedom to be self sufficient...
Re: Dell 8100
> I have the 8000 with the ATI Rage Mobility, and I still can't XFree86 > running, it has been four months of pain. I hold out hope for the next > release of X, but if that fails me, I'm going to have to go do RH. (Better > than Windows I suppose, but still not Debian) I know this is going to sound rather twisted, but if you succeed in getting it working under Redhat, even briefly or poorly, you can use *precisely* the same information under Debian. What would really make a difference is learning whether the config files, or the binaries make the difference for you. If it's a matter in the binaries, you can use dpkg-divert to mark up that the applicable xfree86 parts have been diverted ... that is, so that you can safely install X based software, but an upgrade to the xfree86 server package puts its own files in the diverted place instead of squashing your well behaved binary. BTW I have heard, and am willing to believe, that DELL uses tuned compilations for their systems. So if you are talking about a version of RH that came with your machine... yes, you might get better results from that than from either a standard RH disk or standard Debian. And the answer there would be the same; if they tuned the binary, use a copy of it with whatever distro you finally settle on. ...and if you discover that to be the case I'd *definitely* be on the horn with them to find out what compilation options or other tweaks they did for you. You might want to use some future version of X, and you can't trust that they'll bother to compile it for you when you need it. The point of Linux (imho) is the freedom to be self sufficient... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Dell 8100
I have the 8000 with the ATI Rage Mobility, and I still can't XFree86 running, it has been four months of pain. I hold out hope for the next release of X, but if that fails me, I'm going to have to go do RH. (Better than Windows I suppose, but still not Debian) -Original Message- From: S.Salman Ahmed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 12:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Dell 8100 >>>>> "DJ" == Daniel Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DJ> I'm considering picking up a Dell 8100 laptop. I've seen a DJ> number of web sites affirming that the Dell 8000 is compatible DJ> with Linux in general and Debian in particular. I've seen DJ> nothing, however, on the 8100. With laptops, a minor upgrade in DJ> model number can signify anything from a difference in the DJ> amount of memory installed to a completely different motherboard DJ> and components. Anyone familiar with the 8100 and it's DJ> compatibility with Debian? DJ> You are referring to the Inspirion 8100. The I8100 is different from the I8000 only in the following: - different CPU (faster one in the I8100) - faster FSB speed in the 8100 - comes with the Nvidia card only as opposed to the ATI Rage Mobility M4 which used to be standard on the I8000 I don't think there's a whole lot more difference b/w the I8100 and I8000. But to be sure, you should take a look at the mailing list archives of linux-dell-laptops Yahoo eGroup. This question was asked and answered very recently. >From what I have read, the Nvidia card requires jumping through a few hoops to get it configured properly under XFree86-4. -- Salman Ahmed ssahmed AT pathcom DOT com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Dell 8100
I have the 8000 with the ATI Rage Mobility, and I still can't XFree86 running, it has been four months of pain. I hold out hope for the next release of X, but if that fails me, I'm going to have to go do RH. (Better than Windows I suppose, but still not Debian) -Original Message- From: S.Salman Ahmed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dell 8100 >>>>> "DJ" == Daniel Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DJ> I'm considering picking up a Dell 8100 laptop. I've seen a DJ> number of web sites affirming that the Dell 8000 is compatible DJ> with Linux in general and Debian in particular. I've seen DJ> nothing, however, on the 8100. With laptops, a minor upgrade in DJ> model number can signify anything from a difference in the DJ> amount of memory installed to a completely different motherboard DJ> and components. Anyone familiar with the 8100 and it's DJ> compatibility with Debian? DJ> You are referring to the Inspirion 8100. The I8100 is different from the I8000 only in the following: - different CPU (faster one in the I8100) - faster FSB speed in the 8100 - comes with the Nvidia card only as opposed to the ATI Rage Mobility M4 which used to be standard on the I8000 I don't think there's a whole lot more difference b/w the I8100 and I8000. But to be sure, you should take a look at the mailing list archives of linux-dell-laptops Yahoo eGroup. This question was asked and answered very recently. >From what I have read, the Nvidia card requires jumping through a few hoops to get it configured properly under XFree86-4. -- Salman Ahmed ssahmed AT pathcom DOT com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
