Re: How to use touch pad and mouse?
--- Daniel E Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does this handle mice with different protocols, because I too have the > BIOS option, > but usually I like to have the touchpad disabled when I have my external > 3-button > wireless wheel mouse plugged in. The thing is my touchpad is just a > plain PS/2 mouse > and my external mouses uses ImPS/2 protocol. Now I have 2 XF86Config > files that I > switch back and forth from and my wireless does work with plain PS/2, > but then I get > no wheel. So the point is is it possible to configure X (and/or gpm) to > be able to > use one or the other without having to switch XF86Config files and > restart X (I > actually have a little script that changes my XF86Config-4 symlink to > either > XF86Config-4.touchpad or XF86Config-4.wireless)? > Well... the names of the config files you use make me belive that you use XFree 4.x. Am I right? In fact, the solution I described was based on my experience, that is XFree 3.3.6. In this case, it is possible to use different protocols for the different input devices. On my laptop, gpm reads /dev/psaux using the PS/2 protocol (-t ps2) and repeats it using the MS-3buttons (-Rms3) to /dev/gpmdata. XFree then reads /dev/gpmdata using the ms3 protocol (as configured in the "Pointer" section). At the same time, XFree reads /dev/input/mice using the Imwheel-PS/2 protocol (IMPS2, as configured in the "XInput" section, "Mouse" sub-section). This mix of protocols is the real reason why I use my external mouse as an USB device (there is an USB->PS/2 adapter with the mouse). The same solution is not directly usable with XFree 4, but I saw a few weeks ago on `debian-french' that the solution exists. The subject was about using 2 keyboards, but an example (for XF 3.3 and XF 4) was given for 2 mice : http://lists.debian.org/debian-french-0103/msg01232.html This would be much easier to use than switching from one config file to another! Francois. = Francois BOTTIN -- "How kind," the PFY sighs. "But where will I go?" "Somewhere where they know nothing about computing... where they wouldn't know a RAM chip from a potato chip!" "But I don't want to visit Microsoft!" he whines. The BOFH 1998 - Simon Travaglia (bofh.ntk.net) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: How to use touch pad and mouse?
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 01:55:01AM -0700, Francois BOTTIN wrote: > > --- Giuseppe Sacco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have a touchpad (ps2) and an external USB mouse. > > I use both mice at the same time using the -M option for pgm. I also > > set up X to get the mouse data from gpm. > > > > It works. > > > > Previously I had ps2 external mouse that was disabling the internal > > touchpad. > > > > Bye, > > Giuseppe > > > I have also a PS/2 touchpad and an external USB mouse. Formerly I also > used the -M option for gpm, but the third mouse button/wheel was not > recognized (i.e. inactive) or the third button emulation was not working > on the touchpad (only 2 buttons there) depending of the options I choose. > > I worked around that by configuring gpm to use the touchpad only (I can > cope without the mouse on the console...) and the "pointer" section of X > to /dev/gpmdata. I then added the USB mouse (/dev/input/mice) to the > "XInput" section, "Mouse" sub-section. Does this handle mice with different protocols, because I too have the BIOS option, but usually I like to have the touchpad disabled when I have my external 3-button wireless wheel mouse plugged in. The thing is my touchpad is just a plain PS/2 mouse and my external mouses uses ImPS/2 protocol. Now I have 2 XF86Config files that I switch back and forth from and my wireless does work with plain PS/2, but then I get no wheel. So the point is is it possible to configure X (and/or gpm) to be able to use one or the other without having to switch XF86Config files and restart X (I actually have a little script that changes my XF86Config-4 symlink to either XF86Config-4.touchpad or XF86Config-4.wireless)? Dan -- Daniel E Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web location: http://www.msoe.edu/~baumannd And if cynics ridicule freedom, ridicule community...if ``hard nosed realists'' say that profit is the only ideal...just ignore them, and use copyleft all the same. -- RMS
Re: How to use touch pad and mouse?
--- Daniel E Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does this handle mice with different protocols, because I too have the > BIOS option, > but usually I like to have the touchpad disabled when I have my external > 3-button > wireless wheel mouse plugged in. The thing is my touchpad is just a > plain PS/2 mouse > and my external mouses uses ImPS/2 protocol. Now I have 2 XF86Config > files that I > switch back and forth from and my wireless does work with plain PS/2, > but then I get > no wheel. So the point is is it possible to configure X (and/or gpm) to > be able to > use one or the other without having to switch XF86Config files and > restart X (I > actually have a little script that changes my XF86Config-4 symlink to > either > XF86Config-4.touchpad or XF86Config-4.wireless)? > Well... the names of the config files you use make me belive that you use XFree 4.x. Am I right? In fact, the solution I described was based on my experience, that is XFree 3.3.6. In this case, it is possible to use different protocols for the different input devices. On my laptop, gpm reads /dev/psaux using the PS/2 protocol (-t ps2) and repeats it using the MS-3buttons (-Rms3) to /dev/gpmdata. XFree then reads /dev/gpmdata using the ms3 protocol (as configured in the "Pointer" section). At the same time, XFree reads /dev/input/mice using the Imwheel-PS/2 protocol (IMPS2, as configured in the "XInput" section, "Mouse" sub-section). This mix of protocols is the real reason why I use my external mouse as an USB device (there is an USB->PS/2 adapter with the mouse). The same solution is not directly usable with XFree 4, but I saw a few weeks ago on `debian-french' that the solution exists. The subject was about using 2 keyboards, but an example (for XF 3.3 and XF 4) was given for 2 mice : http://lists.debian.org/debian-french-0103/msg01232.html This would be much easier to use than switching from one config file to another! Francois. = Francois BOTTIN -- "How kind," the PFY sighs. "But where will I go?" "Somewhere where they know nothing about computing... where they wouldn't know a RAM chip from a potato chip!" "But I don't want to visit Microsoft!" he whines. The BOFH 1998 - Simon Travaglia (bofh.ntk.net) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to use touch pad and mouse?
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 01:55:01AM -0700, Francois BOTTIN wrote: > > --- Giuseppe Sacco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have a touchpad (ps2) and an external USB mouse. > > I use both mice at the same time using the -M option for pgm. I also > > set up X to get the mouse data from gpm. > > > > It works. > > > > Previously I had ps2 external mouse that was disabling the internal > > touchpad. > > > > Bye, > > Giuseppe > > > I have also a PS/2 touchpad and an external USB mouse. Formerly I also > used the -M option for gpm, but the third mouse button/wheel was not > recognized (i.e. inactive) or the third button emulation was not working > on the touchpad (only 2 buttons there) depending of the options I choose. > > I worked around that by configuring gpm to use the touchpad only (I can > cope without the mouse on the console...) and the "pointer" section of X > to /dev/gpmdata. I then added the USB mouse (/dev/input/mice) to the > "XInput" section, "Mouse" sub-section. Does this handle mice with different protocols, because I too have the BIOS option, but usually I like to have the touchpad disabled when I have my external 3-button wireless wheel mouse plugged in. The thing is my touchpad is just a plain PS/2 mouse and my external mouses uses ImPS/2 protocol. Now I have 2 XF86Config files that I switch back and forth from and my wireless does work with plain PS/2, but then I get no wheel. So the point is is it possible to configure X (and/or gpm) to be able to use one or the other without having to switch XF86Config files and restart X (I actually have a little script that changes my XF86Config-4 symlink to either XF86Config-4.touchpad or XF86Config-4.wireless)? Dan -- Daniel E Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web location: http://www.msoe.edu/~baumannd And if cynics ridicule freedom, ridicule community...if ``hard nosed realists'' say that profit is the only ideal...just ignore them, and use copyleft all the same. -- RMS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to use touch pad and mouse?
On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 11:28:27AM +0200, Giuseppe Sacco wrote: > I have a touchpad (ps2) and an external USB mouse. > I use both mice at the same time using the -M option for pgm. I also > set up X to get the mouse data from gpm. > > It works. > > Previously I had ps2 external mouse that was disabling the internal touchpad. It might depend on what type of laptop you have. On my Dell Inspiron 3700 the BIOS settings can be changed so you can use both touchpad and external PS/2. Only one flaw though - using the mouse disables the touchpad for 'bout 2 seconds and vice versa. Gpm didn't need to now - both touchpad and ps/2 mouse got fed through /dev/psaux. > > Bye, > Giuseppe > -- Karl E. Jørgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.karl.jorgensen.com Today's fortune: Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso pgp4KZDtXjAUz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to use touch pad and mouse?
On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 11:28:27AM +0200, Giuseppe Sacco wrote: > I have a touchpad (ps2) and an external USB mouse. > I use both mice at the same time using the -M option for pgm. I also > set up X to get the mouse data from gpm. > > It works. > > Previously I had ps2 external mouse that was disabling the internal touchpad. It might depend on what type of laptop you have. On my Dell Inspiron 3700 the BIOS settings can be changed so you can use both touchpad and external PS/2. Only one flaw though - using the mouse disables the touchpad for 'bout 2 seconds and vice versa. Gpm didn't need to now - both touchpad and ps/2 mouse got fed through /dev/psaux. > > Bye, > Giuseppe > -- Karl E. Jørgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.karl.jorgensen.com Today's fortune: Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso PGP signature
Re: How to use touch pad and mouse?
--- Giuseppe Sacco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a touchpad (ps2) and an external USB mouse. > I use both mice at the same time using the -M option for pgm. I also > set up X to get the mouse data from gpm. > > It works. > > Previously I had ps2 external mouse that was disabling the internal > touchpad. > > Bye, > Giuseppe > I have also a PS/2 touchpad and an external USB mouse. Formerly I also used the -M option for gpm, but the third mouse button/wheel was not recognized (i.e. inactive) or the third button emulation was not working on the touchpad (only 2 buttons there) depending of the options I choose. I worked around that by configuring gpm to use the touchpad only (I can cope without the mouse on the console...) and the "pointer" section of X to /dev/gpmdata. I then added the USB mouse (/dev/input/mice) to the "XInput" section, "Mouse" sub-section. It works great! Francois. = Francois BOTTIN -- "How kind," the PFY sighs. "But where will I go?" "Somewhere where they know nothing about computing... where they wouldn't know a RAM chip from a potato chip!" "But I don't want to visit Microsoft!" he whines. The BOFH 1998 - Simon Travaglia (bofh.ntk.net) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: How to use touch pad and mouse?
I have a touchpad (ps2) and an external USB mouse. I use both mice at the same time using the -M option for pgm. I also set up X to get the mouse data from gpm. It works. Previously I had ps2 external mouse that was disabling the internal touchpad. Bye, Giuseppe
Re: How to use touch pad and mouse?
--- Giuseppe Sacco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a touchpad (ps2) and an external USB mouse. > I use both mice at the same time using the -M option for pgm. I also > set up X to get the mouse data from gpm. > > It works. > > Previously I had ps2 external mouse that was disabling the internal > touchpad. > > Bye, > Giuseppe > I have also a PS/2 touchpad and an external USB mouse. Formerly I also used the -M option for gpm, but the third mouse button/wheel was not recognized (i.e. inactive) or the third button emulation was not working on the touchpad (only 2 buttons there) depending of the options I choose. I worked around that by configuring gpm to use the touchpad only (I can cope without the mouse on the console...) and the "pointer" section of X to /dev/gpmdata. I then added the USB mouse (/dev/input/mice) to the "XInput" section, "Mouse" sub-section. It works great! Francois. = Francois BOTTIN -- "How kind," the PFY sighs. "But where will I go?" "Somewhere where they know nothing about computing... where they wouldn't know a RAM chip from a potato chip!" "But I don't want to visit Microsoft!" he whines. The BOFH 1998 - Simon Travaglia (bofh.ntk.net) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to use touch pad and mouse?
I have a touchpad (ps2) and an external USB mouse. I use both mice at the same time using the -M option for pgm. I also set up X to get the mouse data from gpm. It works. Previously I had ps2 external mouse that was disabling the internal touchpad. Bye, Giuseppe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to use touch pad and mouse?
Eric Richardson wrote: > > I haven't checked whether bios supports both but I don't remember a > setting for this. Bios doesn't have any settings for supporting both. If the mouse is plugged in the pad doesn't work and if it's unplugged the pad works with no rebooting or anything - interesting.
Re: How to use touch pad and mouse?
Eric Richardson wrote: > > Hi, > Can I get the touch pad and the ps2 mouse I'm using both to work? > I have a UMAX 533T which is no longer made but works pretty good. I checked the manual and indeed the touch pad is a ps2 device which explains why it worked fine before I plugged the mouse in and I'll use the emulate3button for pasting as noted in the other thread for use when the ps2 mouse is not plugged in. I haven't checked whether bios supports both but I don't remember a setting for this. I'll take a look at XF86Config as well. I'm currently using stable - what is the first kernel that supports USB as a have that port as well? Thanks for the help. Eric :-)
Re: How to use touch pad and mouse?
Eric Richardson wrote: > > I haven't checked whether bios supports both but I don't remember a > setting for this. Bios doesn't have any settings for supporting both. If the mouse is plugged in the pad doesn't work and if it's unplugged the pad works with no rebooting or anything - interesting. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to use touch pad and mouse?
Eric Richardson wrote: > > Hi, > Can I get the touch pad and the ps2 mouse I'm using both to work? > I have a UMAX 533T which is no longer made but works pretty good. I checked the manual and indeed the touch pad is a ps2 device which explains why it worked fine before I plugged the mouse in and I'll use the emulate3button for pasting as noted in the other thread for use when the ps2 mouse is not plugged in. I haven't checked whether bios supports both but I don't remember a setting for this. I'll take a look at XF86Config as well. I'm currently using stable - what is the first kernel that supports USB as a have that port as well? Thanks for the help. Eric :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to use touch pad and mouse?
What make/model laptop have you got? I have an Dell Inspiron 3700 - depending on the BIOS settings it will either a) Ignore the touchpad when a PS/2 mouse is plugged in or b) Use both - if you move one, then the other will be disabled for the next few seconds. Either way, it appears as /dev/psaux (which I send though gpm and X then reads from /dev/gpmdata anyway). Hope this helps -- Karl E. Jørgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.karl.jorgensen.com Today's fortune: /\ \ \_| That's one small step for a man; one giant leap for mankind. | | -- Neil Armstrong| | ___|_ \_/_/ On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:01:45PM -0700, Eric Richardson wrote: > Hi, > Can I get the touch pad and the ps2 mouse I'm using both to work? > > > Thanks, > Eric :-) pgpW63V3b5LmB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to use touch pad and mouse?
Hi Eric, usually a touch pad is using the same PS/2 port an external PS/2 mouse is using (/dev/psaux). My HP Omnibook does some scanning at bootup. If the external mouse is connected it disables the touch pad. If I boot it without the mouse and connect the mouse after bootup, both - touch pad and mouse - work simultaneously. cheers Andreas > Hi, > Can I get the touch pad and the ps2 mouse I'm using both to work? > > I got the mouse to work with the /dev/psaux and I think the /dev/mouse > device worked before with the touch pad but now doesn't work. > > Can I have two Pointer sections in XF86Config? > Currently it looks like this. > Section "Pointer" >Protocol"PS/2" >Device "/dev/psaux" >BaudRate1200 >Emulate3Timeout 50 > EndSection > > Thanks, > Eric :-) > -- What good is an obscenity trial except to popularize literature? -- Nero Wolfe, "The League of Frightened Men" \_ Dipl.-Ing. Andreas Heckwolf Voice : +358 40 5847 445 Mobliz Ltd Fax: +358 9 455 7553 Suvikummunrinne 2 G 02120 EspooFinland
Re: How to use touch pad and mouse?
What make/model laptop have you got? I have an Dell Inspiron 3700 - depending on the BIOS settings it will either a) Ignore the touchpad when a PS/2 mouse is plugged in or b) Use both - if you move one, then the other will be disabled for the next few seconds. Either way, it appears as /dev/psaux (which I send though gpm and X then reads from /dev/gpmdata anyway). Hope this helps -- Karl E. Jørgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.karl.jorgensen.com Today's fortune: /\ \ \_| That's one small step for a man; one giant leap for mankind. | | -- Neil Armstrong| | ___|_ \_/_/ On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:01:45PM -0700, Eric Richardson wrote: > Hi, > Can I get the touch pad and the ps2 mouse I'm using both to work? > > > Thanks, > Eric :-) PGP signature
Re: How to use touch pad and mouse?
> Can I get the touch pad and the ps2 mouse I'm using both to work? I have an external PS/2 mouse on my toshiba laptop. The internal mouse replacement seems to be a PS/2 device. It does not work when I have the external mouse connected. I have one mouse section in XF86Config. I don't think they would work at the same time if I had two sections. I used to have a serial mouse. The internal mouse worked at the same time the serial mouse was connected. I had two mouse sections in XF86Config. One of them must have an entry like "CorePointer" (can't remember exactly). For more information read info XF86Config. /dev/mouse should be a link to your mouse device.
Re: How to use touch pad and mouse?
Hi Eric, usually a touch pad is using the same PS/2 port an external PS/2 mouse is using (/dev/psaux). My HP Omnibook does some scanning at bootup. If the external mouse is connected it disables the touch pad. If I boot it without the mouse and connect the mouse after bootup, both - touch pad and mouse - work simultaneously. cheers Andreas > Hi, > Can I get the touch pad and the ps2 mouse I'm using both to work? > > I got the mouse to work with the /dev/psaux and I think the /dev/mouse > device worked before with the touch pad but now doesn't work. > > Can I have two Pointer sections in XF86Config? > Currently it looks like this. > Section "Pointer" >Protocol"PS/2" >Device "/dev/psaux" >BaudRate1200 >Emulate3Timeout 50 > EndSection > > Thanks, > Eric :-) > -- What good is an obscenity trial except to popularize literature? -- Nero Wolfe, "The League of Frightened Men" \_ Dipl.-Ing. Andreas Heckwolf Voice : +358 40 5847 445 Mobliz Ltd Fax: +358 9 455 7553 Suvikummunrinne 2 G 02120 EspooFinland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to use touch pad and mouse?
> Can I get the touch pad and the ps2 mouse I'm using both to work? I have an external PS/2 mouse on my toshiba laptop. The internal mouse replacement seems to be a PS/2 device. It does not work when I have the external mouse connected. I have one mouse section in XF86Config. I don't think they would work at the same time if I had two sections. I used to have a serial mouse. The internal mouse worked at the same time the serial mouse was connected. I had two mouse sections in XF86Config. One of them must have an entry like "CorePointer" (can't remember exactly). For more information read info XF86Config. /dev/mouse should be a link to your mouse device. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
