Re: Laptop suggestions
On (08/06/01 06:31), Serge Rey wrote: > i think there are two different models of the X20 that come witn an > integrated NIC/modem combo. one (Mikael's) comes with the xircom modem, > which i believe one could get to work, but the other model (mine a > 226-36U) comes with a winmodem which i couldn't get working, although > the network side of the combo works fine. I have another variant of the X20 a 2662-31G. This comes with the mini-pci Lucent winmodem but no NIC. There is a binary driver available from IBM (works great & easy to install) at the following link: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4VFTT3.html?Search.x=6&Search.y=5 (or just search IBM support for 'Linux X20') I have read several accounts of people have success with the GPL Lucent drivers but I haven't got round to trying these myself. http://walbran.org/sean/linux/stodolsk/ I bought mine second hand a few months ago & I must say I am very happy with it. All the features work flawlessly under woody, and I take it everywhere with me. -- Simon Hooper GnuPG 1024D/F3D1353A 64AF 1419 4B67 CE13 E312 7C80 CFB0 9414 F3D1 353A
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On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 10:10:22AM +0200, Mikael Cardell wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonne) writes: > > > I have a very brief question. I'm not that familiar at all with -snip- > I have used Debian on a Thinkpad 570 and its replacement the Thinkpad > X20, both ultrathin models with no diskette drive, no CD drive or > extra stuff at all. The X20 is slightly lighter and has a smaller > screen, but keeps the resolution of 1024x768. i have an X20 and run debian on it. very nice machine. i picked up the ultrabase which allows you a bay to slide in a CD or CDRW, both of which i've got working. the base also comes with a built in floppy if you need that. i also have a vaio 505 but prefer the X20. the latter has a built in video port which i use often for presentations via an lcd. with the vaio one needs to carry a port replicator to do this, which kinda defeats the "lightweight" aspect of the machine. X20 also has much better battery life than the vaio. > > I like the integrated NIC (Intel EtherExpress Pro, I believe) on the > X20 and I believe that the modem on the X20 might be a real one, not a > WinModem. I haven't used it, so I don't really know or care anymore, > but my current dmesg (run under OpenBSD on the X20) says: i think there are two different models of the X20 that come witn an integrated NIC/modem combo. one (Mikael's) comes with the xircom modem, which i believe one could get to work, but the other model (mine a 226-36U) comes with a winmodem which i couldn't get working, although the network side of the combo works fine. i'll probably get a pcmia card shortly to get the modem going for upcoming travel. for now it relies on a network link. -- Sergio J. Rey http://typhoon.sdsu.edu/rey.html "As a competitor, we might be better off if they shipped it." - Sun Microsystems's James Gosling on Windows NT 5.0
Re: Laptop suggestions
On (08/06/01 06:31), Serge Rey wrote: > i think there are two different models of the X20 that come witn an > integrated NIC/modem combo. one (Mikael's) comes with the xircom modem, > which i believe one could get to work, but the other model (mine a > 226-36U) comes with a winmodem which i couldn't get working, although > the network side of the combo works fine. I have another variant of the X20 a 2662-31G. This comes with the mini-pci Lucent winmodem but no NIC. There is a binary driver available from IBM (works great & easy to install) at the following link: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4VFTT3.html?Search.x=6&Search.y=5 (or just search IBM support for 'Linux X20') I have read several accounts of people have success with the GPL Lucent drivers but I haven't got round to trying these myself. http://walbran.org/sean/linux/stodolsk/ I bought mine second hand a few months ago & I must say I am very happy with it. All the features work flawlessly under woody, and I take it everywhere with me. -- Simon Hooper GnuPG 1024D/F3D1353A 64AF 1419 4B67 CE13 E312 7C80 CFB0 9414 F3D1 353A -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 10:10:22AM +0200, Mikael Cardell wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonne) writes: > > > I have a very brief question. I'm not that familiar at all with -snip- > I have used Debian on a Thinkpad 570 and its replacement the Thinkpad > X20, both ultrathin models with no diskette drive, no CD drive or > extra stuff at all. The X20 is slightly lighter and has a smaller > screen, but keeps the resolution of 1024x768. i have an X20 and run debian on it. very nice machine. i picked up the ultrabase which allows you a bay to slide in a CD or CDRW, both of which i've got working. the base also comes with a built in floppy if you need that. i also have a vaio 505 but prefer the X20. the latter has a built in video port which i use often for presentations via an lcd. with the vaio one needs to carry a port replicator to do this, which kinda defeats the "lightweight" aspect of the machine. X20 also has much better battery life than the vaio. > > I like the integrated NIC (Intel EtherExpress Pro, I believe) on the > X20 and I believe that the modem on the X20 might be a real one, not a > WinModem. I haven't used it, so I don't really know or care anymore, > but my current dmesg (run under OpenBSD on the X20) says: i think there are two different models of the X20 that come witn an integrated NIC/modem combo. one (Mikael's) comes with the xircom modem, which i believe one could get to work, but the other model (mine a 226-36U) comes with a winmodem which i couldn't get working, although the network side of the combo works fine. i'll probably get a pcmia card shortly to get the modem going for upcoming travel. for now it relies on a network link. -- Sergio J. Rey http://typhoon.sdsu.edu/rey.html "As a competitor, we might be better off if they shipped it." - Sun Microsystems's James Gosling on Windows NT 5.0 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonne) writes: > I have a very brief question. I'm not that familiar at all with > Debian, I used it a while back, although not a lot, and I certainly > qualify as a GNU/Linux neophyte. Enough with the introduction. > Anyway, I've as of yet never used Debian on a laptop, and I'm > looking into picking up laptop computer, and I'm wondering if you > have any suggestions as to what I might want to pick up -- more > along the lines of manufacturers whose computers work well with the > latest version of Debian, rather than just the latest spiffy models, > since I'm not sure what I can afford. I have used Debian on a Thinkpad 570 and its replacement the Thinkpad X20, both ultrathin models with no diskette drive, no CD drive or extra stuff at all. The X20 is slightly lighter and has a smaller screen, but keeps the resolution of 1024x768. I like the integrated NIC (Intel EtherExpress Pro, I believe) on the X20 and I believe that the modem on the X20 might be a real one, not a WinModem. I haven't used it, so I don't really know or care anymore, but my current dmesg (run under OpenBSD on the X20) says: "Xircom MiniPCI Modem" rev 0x00 at pci0 dev 10 function 1 not configured -- Mikael "MC" Cardell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Temple of the Moby Hack Gnu^H^Hun for hire. E-mail me.
Re: Laptop suggestions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonne) writes: > I have a very brief question. I'm not that familiar at all with > Debian, I used it a while back, although not a lot, and I certainly > qualify as a GNU/Linux neophyte. Enough with the introduction. > Anyway, I've as of yet never used Debian on a laptop, and I'm > looking into picking up laptop computer, and I'm wondering if you > have any suggestions as to what I might want to pick up -- more > along the lines of manufacturers whose computers work well with the > latest version of Debian, rather than just the latest spiffy models, > since I'm not sure what I can afford. I have used Debian on a Thinkpad 570 and its replacement the Thinkpad X20, both ultrathin models with no diskette drive, no CD drive or extra stuff at all. The X20 is slightly lighter and has a smaller screen, but keeps the resolution of 1024x768. I like the integrated NIC (Intel EtherExpress Pro, I believe) on the X20 and I believe that the modem on the X20 might be a real one, not a WinModem. I haven't used it, so I don't really know or care anymore, but my current dmesg (run under OpenBSD on the X20) says: "Xircom MiniPCI Modem" rev 0x00 at pci0 dev 10 function 1 not configured -- Mikael "MC" Cardell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Temple of the Moby Hack Gnu^H^Hun for hire. E-mail me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Try doing a search for linux and laptop on google. You'll find several really good sites dedicated to exposing the pro and cons of different manufacturers. I chose Dell Inspiron 8000 myself for the lovely screen. Works fine with Debian. //Björnen.
Re: Laptop suggestions
On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 04:00:25PM +0200, Jonne wrote: > Hello there! > > Anyway, I've as of yet never used Debian on a laptop, and I'm > looking into picking up laptop computer, and I'm wondering if you > have any suggestions as to what I might want to pick up -- more > along the lines of manufacturers whose computers work well with the > latest version of Debian, rather than just the latest spiffy models, > since I'm not sure what I can afford. Well... I can't really comment on specific manufacturers... But ii'm currently typing this on a Toshiba Tecra 8000... It all works, (display, sound, pcmcia) but I think it's a real underperformer. The best thing you can do is look for a laptop and then check the detailed hardware specs. Look at what kind of video-chip and sound-chips are used, what other devices are installed, then check to see how well these are supported. I've just ordered a new laptop myself (www.pronote.nl promedion 14") and just checked their specs page. There may be one or 2 features that may not yet be supported (like firewire, winmodems etc) but if you make sure sound, video, lan and key/mouse work you will probably be a happy camper... all the other extra features will probably be supported in a few months anyway (accept for some winmodems, sony i-link etc) Mark Janssen Unix Consultant @ SyConOS IT E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG Key Id: 357D2178 http: maniac.nl, unix-god.[net|org], markjanssen.[com|net|org|nl] Fax/VoiceMail: +31 84 8757555 Finger for GPG and GeekCode
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Bruce Perens claims that HP will now ship laptops with Debian installed (previously they just did RedHat, I guess) although I think they all have winmodems, which, from my experience is a definite hassle. It might be worth calling them to find out more. ck I have a very brief question. I'm not that familiar at all with Debian, I used it a while back, although not a lot, and I certainly qualify as a GNU/Linux neophyte. Enough with the introduction.
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Although they seem reluctant to admit it, Toshiba's laptops are fairly easy to get working with Linux. I have installed Debian on a 2515CDS (http://members.telocity.com/sledge1/2515CDS-HOWTO.html) and a 435CDS. Unless I am mistaken, there very few, if any differences in the kernel from distribution to distribution. So, if you successfully install one distribution on a machine, you are very likely to get another one working (of course, different distributions come with different configuration tools, but they all end up doing the same thing). Where am I going with this? You may want to keep this in mind as you check out the Linux Laptop site: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop Good luck, Dhruva --- "Christopher M. Kelty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bruce Perens claims that HP will now ship laptops > with Debian > installed (previously they just did RedHat, I guess) > although I think > they all have winmodems, which, from my experience > is a definite > hassle. It might be worth calling them to find out > more. > > ck > > > > >I have a very brief question. I'm not that familiar > at all with > >Debian, I used it a while back, although not a lot, > and I certainly > >qualify as a GNU/Linux neophyte. Enough with the > introduction. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: Laptop suggestions
All the others already have given the links '-) I use an IBM TP 600x under Debian. It simply runs -- and it works perfectly! --lpr PS: squeezing all that's possible (and I know of) out of the configs for power saving makes the laptop run up to fours on battery --- well if the battery does not get defective On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, Jonne wrote: > Hello there! > > I have a very brief question. I'm not that familiar at all with > Debian, I used it a while back, although not a lot, and I certainly > qualify as a GNU/Linux neophyte. Enough with the introduction. > Anyway, I've as of yet never used Debian on a laptop, and I'm > looking into picking up laptop computer, and I'm wondering if you > have any suggestions as to what I might want to pick up -- more > along the lines of manufacturers whose computers work well with the > latest version of Debian, rather than just the latest spiffy models, > since I'm not sure what I can afford. > > Any personal experiences, or anything at all would be very helpful. > > Pax. > > -- > Jonne (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [25878630] > > http://www.mookid.iwarp.com > > Praise 'Bob'! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia! > > -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- > Version: 3.12 > GU/L d- s-:- a--- C++ UL P+ > L+@> E@>++ W++ N(++) !o K++ > w !O M- !V PS++@ PE Y+ PGP(+)@ > t+@ 5 X+(++) R tv--@ b+++(++) > DI D++ G++ e> h---@ r++ !z > --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- > > http://www.geekcode.com > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Lukas RufSwiss Federal Institute of Technology Office: ETZ-G61.2 Computer Engineering and Phone: +41/1/632 7312Networks Laboratory (TIK) Fax: +41/1/632 1035 ETH Zentrum PGP 2.6: ID D20BA2ED;Gloriastr. 35 Fingerprint 6323 B9BC 9C8E 6563 B477 BADD FEA6 E6B7CH-8092 Zurich
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i've used a thinkpad 600, 365XD and currently a 240. the 240 is the best of the bunch, and can be had on ebay for less than $700 (if you're looking for an ultalight) the windmodem in the 240 was even easy to get working (considering i'd never used a modem under linux before in 2 years of using it). and the soundcard is supported in the kernel (a lot of laptops cards work very poorly under the OSS drivers). anyhow, thats my thoughts. On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:29:08 +0200, Lukas Ruf whispered to the router: !!All the others already have given the links '-) !! !! I use an IBM TP 600x under Debian. It simply runs -- and it works !! perfectly! !! !! --lpr !! PS: squeezing all that's possible (and I know of) out of the configs for !! power saving makes the laptop run up to fours on battery --- well if !! the battery does not get defective !! !! On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, Jonne wrote: !! !! > Hello there! !! > !! > I have a very brief question. I'm not that familiar at all with !! > Debian, I used it a while back, although not a lot, and I certainly !! > qualify as a GNU/Linux neophyte. Enough with the introduction. !! > Anyway, I've as of yet never used Debian on a laptop, and I'm !! > looking into picking up laptop computer, and I'm wondering if you !! > have any suggestions as to what I might want to pick up -- more !! > along the lines of manufacturers whose computers work well with the !! > latest version of Debian, rather than just the latest spiffy models, !! > since I'm not sure what I can afford. !! > !! > Any personal experiences, or anything at all would be very helpful. !! > !! > Pax. !! > !! > -- !! > Jonne (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [25878630] !! > !! > http://www.mookid.iwarp.com !! > !! > Praise 'Bob'! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia! !! > !! > -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- !! > Version: 3.12 !! > GU/L d- s-:- a--- C++ UL P+ !! > L+@> E@>++ W++ N(++) !o K++ !! > w !O M- !V PS++@ PE Y+ PGP(+)@ !! > t+@ 5 X+(++) R tv--@ b+++(++) !! > DI D++ G++ e> h---@ r++ !z !! > --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- !! > !! > http://www.geekcode.com !! > !! > !! > !! > -- !! > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] !! > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] !! -- Forrest English http://truffula.net/~forrest "America is at that akward stage, it is too late to work within the system, but too early to start shooting the bastards" -Claire Wolfe
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I have had good experiences with Dell laptops and the Inspiron series in particular. Good XFree86 support, and the sound cards are generally supported by the 2.4 kernel, without any clunky external drivers. My Inspiron 4000 worked on unstable without a hitch, with only minimal configuration. Highly recommended. Stephen -Original Message- From: Jonne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 7:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Laptop suggestions Hello there! I have a very brief question. I'm not that familiar at all with Debian, I used it a while back, although not a lot, and I certainly qualify as a GNU/Linux neophyte. Enough with the introduction. Anyway, I've as of yet never used Debian on a laptop, and I'm looking into picking up laptop computer, and I'm wondering if you have any suggestions as to what I might want to pick up -- more along the lines of manufacturers whose computers work well with the latest version of Debian, rather than just the latest spiffy models, since I'm not sure what I can afford. Any personal experiences, or anything at all would be very helpful. Pax. -- Jonne (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [25878630] http://www.mookid.iwarp.com Praise 'Bob'! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia! -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GU/L d- s-:- a--- C++ UL P+ L+@> E@>++ W++ N(++) !o K++ w !O M- !V PS++@ PE Y+ PGP(+)@ t+@ 5 X+(++) R tv--@ b+++(++) DI D++ G++ e> h---@ r++ !z --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- http://www.geekcode.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 10:52:47AM -0700, Stephen Bamattre wrote: > I have had good experiences with Dell laptops and the Inspiron series in > particular. Good XFree86 support, and the sound cards are generally > supported by the 2.4 kernel, without any clunky external drivers. > > My Inspiron 4000 worked on unstable without a hitch, with only minimal > configuration. Highly recommended. aahhh... I'm s glad to hear that. My Inspiron 4000 with the 1400x1050 screen, 256M RAM, 20GB Harddrive and the PIII-700 is currently in production... I can't wait to get my hands on it. Did you manage to get the 1400x1050 screen working? What about the NIC/Modem? I would be very interested in your configs. Regards, Alex Suzuki -- Alex Suzuki | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cynox.ch To send me an email, remove NOSPAM from the above address
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My Inspiron 4000 has a 1024x768 screen, so are you sure were are talking about the same model? Anyway, here are some config details: For XFree86, I just copied one of the XF64Config-4 files from http://www.linux-laptop.net/dell.html. Can't remember where exactly, but I can send you mine if you would find it of interest. The modem works, despite the fact that it is a winmodem. Just install ltmodem http://www.goldfisch.at/knowledge/inspiron4000/winmodem.html, and the modem will be linked to /dev/modem. I have had moderate success with ALSA drivers for the Maestro3, but the new kernel support is much nicer (and easier to install). It should be included as of the 2.4.2 kernels. I use the Linksys PCMCIA card, and I have had not trouble with it. Can't recommend it enough- it has been autoprobed on FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Redhat, SuSE, and Debian, and has never failed to be faultless. Haven't tried APM, since I have no real interest in that kind of stuff... Stephen -Original Message- From: Alex Suzuki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 11:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 10:52:47AM -0700, Stephen Bamattre wrote: > I have had good experiences with Dell laptops and the Inspiron series in > particular. Good XFree86 support, and the sound cards are generally > supported by the 2.4 kernel, without any clunky external drivers. > > My Inspiron 4000 worked on unstable without a hitch, with only minimal > configuration. Highly recommended. aahhh... I'm s glad to hear that. My Inspiron 4000 with the 1400x1050 screen, 256M RAM, 20GB Harddrive and the PIII-700 is currently in production... I can't wait to get my hands on it. Did you manage to get the 1400x1050 screen working? What about the NIC/Modem? I would be very interested in your configs. Regards, Alex Suzuki -- Alex Suzuki | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cynox.ch To send me an email, remove NOSPAM from the above address -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'll totally echo support for the IBM 600x, mine has a little over 20 days uptime right now, running 2.4.4 everything works perfectly for me, i even had the built in winmodem working, but havent bothered in awhile with it. I also have an IBM t20, which works wonder with linux/*BSD i would usggest staying away from the 3com cards if you get an IBM, get the intel built in ethernet instead, but other than that, they rock. I also have an Acer extensa 367, its an older laptop, but it works flawlessly under linux/*BSD. only gripe i have with acers and anything other than IBM's is that touchpad crap. I have gotten so used to my three button thinkpad with the button mouse thingie...i cant go back...anyway. IBM is good, acer is good too. --gabe ,[ On Wed, Jun 06, at 12:33PM, Stephen Bamattre wrote: ]-- | My Inspiron 4000 has a 1024x768 screen, so are you sure were are talking | about the same model? Anyway, here are some config details: | | For XFree86, I just copied one of the XF64Config-4 files from | http://www.linux-laptop.net/dell.html. Can't remember where exactly, but I | can send you mine if you would find it of interest. | | The modem works, despite the fact that it is a winmodem. Just install | ltmodem http://www.goldfisch.at/knowledge/inspiron4000/winmodem.html, and | the modem will be linked to /dev/modem. | | I have had moderate success with ALSA drivers for the Maestro3, but the new | kernel support is much nicer (and easier to install). It should be included | as of the 2.4.2 kernels. | | I use the Linksys PCMCIA card, and I have had not trouble with it. Can't | recommend it enough- it has been autoprobed on FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Redhat, | SuSE, and Debian, and has never failed to be faultless. | | Haven't tried APM, since I have no real interest in that kind of stuff... | | Stephen | | -Original Message- | From: Alex Suzuki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 11:41 AM | To: [email protected] | Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions | | | On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 10:52:47AM -0700, Stephen Bamattre wrote: | > I have had good experiences with Dell laptops and the Inspiron series in | > particular. Good XFree86 support, and the sound cards are generally | > supported by the 2.4 kernel, without any clunky external drivers. | > | > My Inspiron 4000 worked on unstable without a hitch, with only minimal | > configuration. Highly recommended. | | aahhh... I'm s glad to hear that. My Inspiron 4000 with the 1400x1050 | screen, 256M RAM, 20GB Harddrive and the PIII-700 is currently in | production... I can't wait to get my hands on it. | Did you manage to get the 1400x1050 screen working? What about the | NIC/Modem? I would be very interested in your configs. | | Regards, | Alex Suzuki | -- | Alex Suzuki | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cynox.ch | To send me an email, remove NOSPAM from the above address | | | -- | To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | -- | To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] | `[ End Quote ]--- -- "It's not brave if you're not scared."
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Hi. I just got myself a Toshiba 3440CT. It's in the ultraportable category, which means that it comes without internal cdrom or floppy. Getting everything to run has been somewhat tricky. Your email suggest that you live in Sweden so you might want to get the machine from http://www.inwarehouse.se for about 13000 SEK. I've used them a couple of times before this purchase and they've never given me any trouble. On Wednesday 06 June 2001 16:00, Jonne wrote: > Hello there! > > I have a very brief question. I'm not that familiar at all with > Debian, I used it a while back, although not a lot, and I certainly > qualify as a GNU/Linux neophyte. Enough with the introduction. > Anyway, I've as of yet never used Debian on a laptop, and I'm > looking into picking up laptop computer, and I'm wondering if you > have any suggestions as to what I might want to pick up -- more > along the lines of manufacturers whose computers work well with the > latest version of Debian, rather than just the latest spiffy models, > since I'm not sure what I can afford. > > Any personal experiences, or anything at all would be very helpful. > > Pax. -- oivvio polite cell +46 (0)709 30 40 30 / phone +46 (0)8 669 64 18 / fax +46 (0)8 84 00 18 varvsgatan 10A / s-117 29 stockholm / sweden
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On Wednesday 06 June 2001 11:26, Forrest English wrote: > i've used a thinkpad 600, 365XD and currently a 240. the 240 is the best > of the bunch, and can be had on ebay for less than $700 (if you're > looking for an ultalight) > > the windmodem in the 240 was even easy to get working (considering i'd > never used a modem under linux before in 2 years of using it).and the > soundcard is supported in the kernel (a lot of laptops cards work very > poorly under the OSS drivers). I have a 240 also. I'd be interested to know what you had to do to get the modem working. So far I haven't needed mine, but you never know. -- Bud Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.sirinet.net/~budr All things in moderation. And not too much moderation either.
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i went here... http://www.heby.de/ltmodem and followed the instructions in the package. which amounts to running 3 scripts. now to get pppconfig to not complain... cd /dev rm ttyS3 ln -s ttyLTO ttyS3 then it doesn't complain, and you can tell it your modem is there, for some reason it barfs at seeing /dev/ttyLTO. but i kept /dev/modem pointing to ttyLTO. there's a bunch of kernel modules you have to load, so i just made a script that loads all my ppp and lt modem drivers when i want them. -- Forrest English http://truffula.net "When we have nothing left to give There will be no reason for us to live But when we have nothing left to lose You will have nothing left to use" -Fugazi On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Bud Rogers wrote: > On Wednesday 06 June 2001 11:26, Forrest English wrote: > > i've used a thinkpad 600, 365XD and currently a 240. the 240 is the best > > of the bunch, and can be had on ebay for less than $700 (if you're > > looking for an ultalight) > > > > the windmodem in the 240 was even easy to get working (considering i'd > > never used a modem under linux before in 2 years of using it). and the > > soundcard is supported in the kernel (a lot of laptops cards work very > > poorly under the OSS drivers). > > I have a 240 also. I'd be interested to know what you had to do to get the > modem working. So far I haven't needed mine, but you never know. > > -- > Bud Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.sirinet.net/~budr > All things in moderation. And not too much moderation either. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
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On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 12:33:51PM -0700, Stephen Bamattre wrote: > My Inspiron 4000 has a 1024x768 screen, so are you sure were are talking > about the same model? Anyway, here are some config details: Pretty sure, yeah. I guess the 1400x1050 is a new feature. > For XFree86, I just copied one of the XF64Config-4 files from > http://www.linux-laptop.net/dell.html. Can't remember where exactly, but I > can send you mine if you would find it of interest. Thanks. > The modem works, despite the fact that it is a winmodem. Just install > ltmodem http://www.goldfisch.at/knowledge/inspiron4000/winmodem.html, and > the modem will be linked to /dev/modem. http://www.heby.de/ltmodem There even have debs. Thanks for your info. Alex -- Alex Suzuki | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cynox.ch To send me an email, remove NOSPAM from the above address
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Alex Suzuki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > aahhh... I'm s glad to hear that. My Inspiron 4000 with the 1400x1050 > screen, 256M RAM, 20GB Harddrive and the PIII-700 is currently in > production... I can't wait to get my hands on it. > Did you manage to get the 1400x1050 screen working? What about the > NIC/Modem? I would be very interested in your configs. I'm currently using an Inspiron 7500 at 1400x1050. It's a lovely display. Before XFree86 4.*, there were minor problems (some junk at the very bottom of the screen), but it works fine with 4.0.3 (which is what's in unstable now). (Presuming the 4000 comes with the same graphics card (ATI 3D Rage Mobility---a Mach64), then I can send you an XFree86-4 if you want.) The winmodem in the machines (which is the common Lucent one in our machines) is alleged to work with the partly-binary driver available, but I've never tried it. It's not trivial to get working. [...] -- Bruce Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] ACI Worldwide/MessagingDirect http://www.MessagingDirect.com/>
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On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 11:07:53AM +0100, Bruce Stephens wrote: > I'm currently using an Inspiron 7500 at 1400x1050. It's a lovely > display. Before XFree86 4.*, there were minor problems (some junk at > the very bottom of the screen), but it works fine with 4.0.3 (which is > what's in unstable now). (Presuming the 4000 comes with the same > graphics card (ATI 3D Rage Mobility---a Mach64), then I can send you > an XFree86-4 if you want.) Yeah, I guess it's the same card. Please do send me your XF86Config. By the way, 4.0.3 is in testing/woody aswell. > The winmodem in the machines (which is the common Lucent one in our > machines) is alleged to work with the partly-binary driver available, > but I've never tried it. It's not trivial to get working. I have seen debs for the modem. Maybe you should check out this URL: http://www.heby.de/ltmodem Regards, Alex -- Alex Suzuki | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cynox.ch To send me an email, remove NOSPAM from the above address
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Bruce Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > (Presuming the 4000 comes with the same graphics card (ATI 3D Rage > Mobility---a Mach64), then I can send you an XFree86-4 if you want.) One thing I didn't mention is that XRender doesn't seem to be supported for this chipset yet. [...] -- Bruce Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] ACI Worldwide/MessagingDirect http://www.MessagingDirect.com/>
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On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 11:46:18AM +0100, Bruce Stephens wrote: > Bruce Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [...] > > > (Presuming the 4000 comes with the same graphics card (ATI 3D Rage > > Mobility---a Mach64), then I can send you an XFree86-4 if you want.) > > One thing I didn't mention is that XRender doesn't seem to be > supported for this chipset yet. Not officially. However, the GATOS project (http://www.linuxvideo.org/gatos/) have got drivers that do. Using these I have managed to get DVD playback at fullscreen on my Thinkpad. Cheers Dave
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> Not officially. However, the GATOS project > (http://www.linuxvideo.org/gatos/) have got drivers that do. Using these > I have managed to get DVD playback at fullscreen on my Thinkpad. Is it sufficient just to install package "gatos"? http://packages.debian.org/testing/misc/gatos.html Alex -- Alex Suzuki | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cynox.ch To send me an email, remove NOSPAM from the above address
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On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 03:06:01PM +0200, Alex Suzuki wrote: > > Not officially. However, the GATOS project > > (http://www.linuxvideo.org/gatos/) have got drivers that do. Using these > > I have managed to get DVD playback at fullscreen on my Thinkpad. > > Is it sufficient just to install package "gatos"? > http://packages.debian.org/testing/misc/gatos.html >From the package description it doesn't look like it includes the updated X drivers, so at a guess no. Cheers Dave
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On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 08:11:52AM -0700, Dhruva Reddy wrote: > > Where am I going with this? You may want to keep this > in mind as you check out the Linux Laptop site: > > http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop > That link redirects, but the "official" address is now http://www.linux-laptop.net/ Drew -- PGP public key available at http://dparsons.webjump.com/drewskey.txt Fingerprint: A110 EAE1 D7D2 8076 5FE0 EC0A B6CE 7041 6412 4E4A
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On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 02:23:58PM +0100, Dave Swegen wrote: > >From the package description it doesn't look like it includes the > updated X drivers, so at a guess no. > > Cheers > Dave However the installation of the binary drivers for X 4.0.x seems to be pretty straightforward, isn't it? Simply untarring the archive into /usr/X11 should do the job. -- Alex Suzuki | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cynox.ch To send me an email, remove NOSPAM from the above address
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On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 05:16:40PM +0200, Alex Suzuki wrote: > On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 02:23:58PM +0100, Dave Swegen wrote: > > >From the package description it doesn't look like it includes the > > updated X drivers, so at a guess no. > > > > Cheers > > Dave > > However the installation of the binary drivers for X 4.0.x seems to > be pretty straightforward, isn't it? Simply untarring the archive > into /usr/X11 should do the job. Indeed, it was that easy for me. But just to be on the safe side make a backup of your existing setup :) Cheers Dave
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On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 05:16:40PM +0200, Alex Suzuki wrote: > On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 02:23:58PM +0100, Dave Swegen wrote: > > >From the package description it doesn't look like it includes the > > updated X drivers, so at a guess no. > > > > Cheers > > Dave > > However the installation of the binary drivers for X 4.0.x seems to > be pretty straightforward, isn't it? Simply untarring the archive > into /usr/X11 should do the job. Indeed, it was that easy for me. But just to be on the safe side make a backup of your existing setup :) Cheers Dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 02:23:58PM +0100, Dave Swegen wrote: > >From the package description it doesn't look like it includes the > updated X drivers, so at a guess no. > > Cheers > Dave However the installation of the binary drivers for X 4.0.x seems to be pretty straightforward, isn't it? Simply untarring the archive into /usr/X11 should do the job. -- Alex Suzuki | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cynox.ch To send me an email, remove NOSPAM from the above address -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 08:11:52AM -0700, Dhruva Reddy wrote: > > Where am I going with this? You may want to keep this > in mind as you check out the Linux Laptop site: > > http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop > That link redirects, but the "official" address is now http://www.linux-laptop.net/ Drew -- PGP public key available at http://dparsons.webjump.com/drewskey.txt Fingerprint: A110 EAE1 D7D2 8076 5FE0 EC0A B6CE 7041 6412 4E4A -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 03:06:01PM +0200, Alex Suzuki wrote: > > Not officially. However, the GATOS project > > (http://www.linuxvideo.org/gatos/) have got drivers that do. Using these > > I have managed to get DVD playback at fullscreen on my Thinkpad. > > Is it sufficient just to install package "gatos"? > http://packages.debian.org/testing/misc/gatos.html >From the package description it doesn't look like it includes the updated X drivers, so at a guess no. Cheers Dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Not officially. However, the GATOS project > (http://www.linuxvideo.org/gatos/) have got drivers that do. Using these > I have managed to get DVD playback at fullscreen on my Thinkpad. Is it sufficient just to install package "gatos"? http://packages.debian.org/testing/misc/gatos.html Alex -- Alex Suzuki | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cynox.ch To send me an email, remove NOSPAM from the above address -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 11:46:18AM +0100, Bruce Stephens wrote: > Bruce Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [...] > > > (Presuming the 4000 comes with the same graphics card (ATI 3D Rage > > Mobility---a Mach64), then I can send you an XFree86-4 if you want.) > > One thing I didn't mention is that XRender doesn't seem to be > supported for this chipset yet. Not officially. However, the GATOS project (http://www.linuxvideo.org/gatos/) have got drivers that do. Using these I have managed to get DVD playback at fullscreen on my Thinkpad. Cheers Dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Bruce Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > (Presuming the 4000 comes with the same graphics card (ATI 3D Rage > Mobility---a Mach64), then I can send you an XFree86-4 if you want.) One thing I didn't mention is that XRender doesn't seem to be supported for this chipset yet. [...] -- Bruce Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] ACI Worldwide/MessagingDirect http://www.MessagingDirect.com/> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 11:07:53AM +0100, Bruce Stephens wrote: > I'm currently using an Inspiron 7500 at 1400x1050. It's a lovely > display. Before XFree86 4.*, there were minor problems (some junk at > the very bottom of the screen), but it works fine with 4.0.3 (which is > what's in unstable now). (Presuming the 4000 comes with the same > graphics card (ATI 3D Rage Mobility---a Mach64), then I can send you > an XFree86-4 if you want.) Yeah, I guess it's the same card. Please do send me your XF86Config. By the way, 4.0.3 is in testing/woody aswell. > The winmodem in the machines (which is the common Lucent one in our > machines) is alleged to work with the partly-binary driver available, > but I've never tried it. It's not trivial to get working. I have seen debs for the modem. Maybe you should check out this URL: http://www.heby.de/ltmodem Regards, Alex -- Alex Suzuki | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cynox.ch To send me an email, remove NOSPAM from the above address -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Alex Suzuki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > aahhh... I'm s glad to hear that. My Inspiron 4000 with the 1400x1050 > screen, 256M RAM, 20GB Harddrive and the PIII-700 is currently in > production... I can't wait to get my hands on it. > Did you manage to get the 1400x1050 screen working? What about the > NIC/Modem? I would be very interested in your configs. I'm currently using an Inspiron 7500 at 1400x1050. It's a lovely display. Before XFree86 4.*, there were minor problems (some junk at the very bottom of the screen), but it works fine with 4.0.3 (which is what's in unstable now). (Presuming the 4000 comes with the same graphics card (ATI 3D Rage Mobility---a Mach64), then I can send you an XFree86-4 if you want.) The winmodem in the machines (which is the common Lucent one in our machines) is alleged to work with the partly-binary driver available, but I've never tried it. It's not trivial to get working. [...] -- Bruce Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] ACI Worldwide/MessagingDirect http://www.MessagingDirect.com/> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 12:33:51PM -0700, Stephen Bamattre wrote: > My Inspiron 4000 has a 1024x768 screen, so are you sure were are talking > about the same model? Anyway, here are some config details: Pretty sure, yeah. I guess the 1400x1050 is a new feature. > For XFree86, I just copied one of the XF64Config-4 files from > http://www.linux-laptop.net/dell.html. Can't remember where exactly, but I > can send you mine if you would find it of interest. Thanks. > The modem works, despite the fact that it is a winmodem. Just install > ltmodem http://www.goldfisch.at/knowledge/inspiron4000/winmodem.html, and > the modem will be linked to /dev/modem. http://www.heby.de/ltmodem There even have debs. Thanks for your info. Alex -- Alex Suzuki | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cynox.ch To send me an email, remove NOSPAM from the above address -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i went here... http://www.heby.de/ltmodem and followed the instructions in the package. which amounts to running 3 scripts. now to get pppconfig to not complain... cd /dev rm ttyS3 ln -s ttyLTO ttyS3 then it doesn't complain, and you can tell it your modem is there, for some reason it barfs at seeing /dev/ttyLTO. but i kept /dev/modem pointing to ttyLTO. there's a bunch of kernel modules you have to load, so i just made a script that loads all my ppp and lt modem drivers when i want them. -- Forrest English http://truffula.net "When we have nothing left to give There will be no reason for us to live But when we have nothing left to lose You will have nothing left to use" -Fugazi On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Bud Rogers wrote: > On Wednesday 06 June 2001 11:26, Forrest English wrote: > > i've used a thinkpad 600, 365XD and currently a 240. the 240 is the best > > of the bunch, and can be had on ebay for less than $700 (if you're > > looking for an ultalight) > > > > the windmodem in the 240 was even easy to get working (considering i'd > > never used a modem under linux before in 2 years of using it). and the > > soundcard is supported in the kernel (a lot of laptops cards work very > > poorly under the OSS drivers). > > I have a 240 also. I'd be interested to know what you had to do to get the > modem working. So far I haven't needed mine, but you never know. > > -- > Bud Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.sirinet.net/~budr > All things in moderation. And not too much moderation either. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wednesday 06 June 2001 11:26, Forrest English wrote: > i've used a thinkpad 600, 365XD and currently a 240. the 240 is the best > of the bunch, and can be had on ebay for less than $700 (if you're > looking for an ultalight) > > the windmodem in the 240 was even easy to get working (considering i'd > never used a modem under linux before in 2 years of using it).and the > soundcard is supported in the kernel (a lot of laptops cards work very > poorly under the OSS drivers). I have a 240 also. I'd be interested to know what you had to do to get the modem working. So far I haven't needed mine, but you never know. -- Bud Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.sirinet.net/~budr All things in moderation. And not too much moderation either. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi. I just got myself a Toshiba 3440CT. It's in the ultraportable category, which means that it comes without internal cdrom or floppy. Getting everything to run has been somewhat tricky. Your email suggest that you live in Sweden so you might want to get the machine from http://www.inwarehouse.se for about 13000 SEK. I've used them a couple of times before this purchase and they've never given me any trouble. On Wednesday 06 June 2001 16:00, Jonne wrote: > Hello there! > > I have a very brief question. I'm not that familiar at all with > Debian, I used it a while back, although not a lot, and I certainly > qualify as a GNU/Linux neophyte. Enough with the introduction. > Anyway, I've as of yet never used Debian on a laptop, and I'm > looking into picking up laptop computer, and I'm wondering if you > have any suggestions as to what I might want to pick up -- more > along the lines of manufacturers whose computers work well with the > latest version of Debian, rather than just the latest spiffy models, > since I'm not sure what I can afford. > > Any personal experiences, or anything at all would be very helpful. > > Pax. -- oivvio polite cell +46 (0)709 30 40 30 / phone +46 (0)8 669 64 18 / fax +46 (0)8 84 00 18 varvsgatan 10A / s-117 29 stockholm / sweden -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'll totally echo support for the IBM 600x, mine has a little over 20 days uptime right now, running 2.4.4 everything works perfectly for me, i even had the built in winmodem working, but havent bothered in awhile with it. I also have an IBM t20, which works wonder with linux/*BSD i would usggest staying away from the 3com cards if you get an IBM, get the intel built in ethernet instead, but other than that, they rock. I also have an Acer extensa 367, its an older laptop, but it works flawlessly under linux/*BSD. only gripe i have with acers and anything other than IBM's is that touchpad crap. I have gotten so used to my three button thinkpad with the button mouse thingie...i cant go back...anyway. IBM is good, acer is good too. --gabe ,[ On Wed, Jun 06, at 12:33PM, Stephen Bamattre wrote: ]-- | My Inspiron 4000 has a 1024x768 screen, so are you sure were are talking | about the same model? Anyway, here are some config details: | | For XFree86, I just copied one of the XF64Config-4 files from | http://www.linux-laptop.net/dell.html. Can't remember where exactly, but I | can send you mine if you would find it of interest. | | The modem works, despite the fact that it is a winmodem. Just install | ltmodem http://www.goldfisch.at/knowledge/inspiron4000/winmodem.html, and | the modem will be linked to /dev/modem. | | I have had moderate success with ALSA drivers for the Maestro3, but the new | kernel support is much nicer (and easier to install). It should be included | as of the 2.4.2 kernels. | | I use the Linksys PCMCIA card, and I have had not trouble with it. Can't | recommend it enough- it has been autoprobed on FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Redhat, | SuSE, and Debian, and has never failed to be faultless. | | Haven't tried APM, since I have no real interest in that kind of stuff... | | Stephen | | -Original Message- | From: Alex Suzuki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 11:41 AM | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions | | | On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 10:52:47AM -0700, Stephen Bamattre wrote: | > I have had good experiences with Dell laptops and the Inspiron series in | > particular. Good XFree86 support, and the sound cards are generally | > supported by the 2.4 kernel, without any clunky external drivers. | > | > My Inspiron 4000 worked on unstable without a hitch, with only minimal | > configuration. Highly recommended. | | aahhh... I'm s glad to hear that. My Inspiron 4000 with the 1400x1050 | screen, 256M RAM, 20GB Harddrive and the PIII-700 is currently in | production... I can't wait to get my hands on it. | Did you manage to get the 1400x1050 screen working? What about the | NIC/Modem? I would be very interested in your configs. | | Regards, | Alex Suzuki | -- | Alex Suzuki | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cynox.ch | To send me an email, remove NOSPAM from the above address | | | -- | To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | -- | To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] | `[ End Quote ]--- -- "It's not brave if you're not scared." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My Inspiron 4000 has a 1024x768 screen, so are you sure were are talking about the same model? Anyway, here are some config details: For XFree86, I just copied one of the XF64Config-4 files from http://www.linux-laptop.net/dell.html. Can't remember where exactly, but I can send you mine if you would find it of interest. The modem works, despite the fact that it is a winmodem. Just install ltmodem http://www.goldfisch.at/knowledge/inspiron4000/winmodem.html, and the modem will be linked to /dev/modem. I have had moderate success with ALSA drivers for the Maestro3, but the new kernel support is much nicer (and easier to install). It should be included as of the 2.4.2 kernels. I use the Linksys PCMCIA card, and I have had not trouble with it. Can't recommend it enough- it has been autoprobed on FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Redhat, SuSE, and Debian, and has never failed to be faultless. Haven't tried APM, since I have no real interest in that kind of stuff... Stephen -Original Message- From: Alex Suzuki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 11:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 10:52:47AM -0700, Stephen Bamattre wrote: > I have had good experiences with Dell laptops and the Inspiron series in > particular. Good XFree86 support, and the sound cards are generally > supported by the 2.4 kernel, without any clunky external drivers. > > My Inspiron 4000 worked on unstable without a hitch, with only minimal > configuration. Highly recommended. aahhh... I'm s glad to hear that. My Inspiron 4000 with the 1400x1050 screen, 256M RAM, 20GB Harddrive and the PIII-700 is currently in production... I can't wait to get my hands on it. Did you manage to get the 1400x1050 screen working? What about the NIC/Modem? I would be very interested in your configs. Regards, Alex Suzuki -- Alex Suzuki | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cynox.ch To send me an email, remove NOSPAM from the above address -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 10:52:47AM -0700, Stephen Bamattre wrote: > I have had good experiences with Dell laptops and the Inspiron series in > particular. Good XFree86 support, and the sound cards are generally > supported by the 2.4 kernel, without any clunky external drivers. > > My Inspiron 4000 worked on unstable without a hitch, with only minimal > configuration. Highly recommended. aahhh... I'm s glad to hear that. My Inspiron 4000 with the 1400x1050 screen, 256M RAM, 20GB Harddrive and the PIII-700 is currently in production... I can't wait to get my hands on it. Did you manage to get the 1400x1050 screen working? What about the NIC/Modem? I would be very interested in your configs. Regards, Alex Suzuki -- Alex Suzuki | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cynox.ch To send me an email, remove NOSPAM from the above address -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have had good experiences with Dell laptops and the Inspiron series in particular. Good XFree86 support, and the sound cards are generally supported by the 2.4 kernel, without any clunky external drivers. My Inspiron 4000 worked on unstable without a hitch, with only minimal configuration. Highly recommended. Stephen -Original Message- From: Jonne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 7:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Laptop suggestions Hello there! I have a very brief question. I'm not that familiar at all with Debian, I used it a while back, although not a lot, and I certainly qualify as a GNU/Linux neophyte. Enough with the introduction. Anyway, I've as of yet never used Debian on a laptop, and I'm looking into picking up laptop computer, and I'm wondering if you have any suggestions as to what I might want to pick up -- more along the lines of manufacturers whose computers work well with the latest version of Debian, rather than just the latest spiffy models, since I'm not sure what I can afford. Any personal experiences, or anything at all would be very helpful. Pax. -- Jonne (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [25878630] http://www.mookid.iwarp.com Praise 'Bob'! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia! -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GU/L d- s-:- a--- C++ UL P+ L+@> E@>++ W++ N(++) !o K++ w !O M- !V PS++@ PE Y+ PGP(+)@ t+@ 5 X+(++) R tv--@ b+++(++) DI D++ G++ e> h---@ r++ !z --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- http://www.geekcode.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i've used a thinkpad 600, 365XD and currently a 240. the 240 is the best of the bunch, and can be had on ebay for less than $700 (if you're looking for an ultalight) the windmodem in the 240 was even easy to get working (considering i'd never used a modem under linux before in 2 years of using it). and the soundcard is supported in the kernel (a lot of laptops cards work very poorly under the OSS drivers). anyhow, thats my thoughts. On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:29:08 +0200, Lukas Ruf whispered to the router: !!All the others already have given the links '-) !! !! I use an IBM TP 600x under Debian. It simply runs -- and it works !! perfectly! !! !! --lpr !! PS: squeezing all that's possible (and I know of) out of the configs for !! power saving makes the laptop run up to fours on battery --- well if !! the battery does not get defective !! !! On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, Jonne wrote: !! !! > Hello there! !! > !! > I have a very brief question. I'm not that familiar at all with !! > Debian, I used it a while back, although not a lot, and I certainly !! > qualify as a GNU/Linux neophyte. Enough with the introduction. !! > Anyway, I've as of yet never used Debian on a laptop, and I'm !! > looking into picking up laptop computer, and I'm wondering if you !! > have any suggestions as to what I might want to pick up -- more !! > along the lines of manufacturers whose computers work well with the !! > latest version of Debian, rather than just the latest spiffy models, !! > since I'm not sure what I can afford. !! > !! > Any personal experiences, or anything at all would be very helpful. !! > !! > Pax. !! > !! > -- !! > Jonne (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [25878630] !! > !! > http://www.mookid.iwarp.com !! > !! > Praise 'Bob'! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia! !! > !! > -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- !! > Version: 3.12 !! > GU/L d- s-:- a--- C++ UL P+ !! > L+@> E@>++ W++ N(++) !o K++ !! > w !O M- !V PS++@ PE Y+ PGP(+)@ !! > t+@ 5 X+(++) R tv--@ b+++(++) !! > DI D++ G++ e> h---@ r++ !z !! > --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- !! > !! > http://www.geekcode.com !! > !! > !! > !! > -- !! > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] !! > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] !! -- Forrest English http://truffula.net/~forrest "America is at that akward stage, it is too late to work within the system, but too early to start shooting the bastards" -Claire Wolfe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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All the others already have given the links '-) I use an IBM TP 600x under Debian. It simply runs -- and it works perfectly! --lpr PS: squeezing all that's possible (and I know of) out of the configs for power saving makes the laptop run up to fours on battery --- well if the battery does not get defective On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, Jonne wrote: > Hello there! > > I have a very brief question. I'm not that familiar at all with > Debian, I used it a while back, although not a lot, and I certainly > qualify as a GNU/Linux neophyte. Enough with the introduction. > Anyway, I've as of yet never used Debian on a laptop, and I'm > looking into picking up laptop computer, and I'm wondering if you > have any suggestions as to what I might want to pick up -- more > along the lines of manufacturers whose computers work well with the > latest version of Debian, rather than just the latest spiffy models, > since I'm not sure what I can afford. > > Any personal experiences, or anything at all would be very helpful. > > Pax. > > -- > Jonne (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [25878630] > > http://www.mookid.iwarp.com > > Praise 'Bob'! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia! > > -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- > Version: 3.12 > GU/L d- s-:- a--- C++ UL P+ > L+@> E@>++ W++ N(++) !o K++ > w !O M- !V PS++@ PE Y+ PGP(+)@ > t+@ 5 X+(++) R tv--@ b+++(++) > DI D++ G++ e> h---@ r++ !z > --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- > > http://www.geekcode.com > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Lukas RufSwiss Federal Institute of Technology Office: ETZ-G61.2 Computer Engineering and Phone: +41/1/632 7312Networks Laboratory (TIK) Fax: +41/1/632 1035 ETH Zentrum PGP 2.6: ID D20BA2ED;Gloriastr. 35 Fingerprint 6323 B9BC 9C8E 6563 B477 BADD FEA6 E6B7CH-8092 Zurich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Although they seem reluctant to admit it, Toshiba's laptops are fairly easy to get working with Linux. I have installed Debian on a 2515CDS (http://members.telocity.com/sledge1/2515CDS-HOWTO.html) and a 435CDS. Unless I am mistaken, there very few, if any differences in the kernel from distribution to distribution. So, if you successfully install one distribution on a machine, you are very likely to get another one working (of course, different distributions come with different configuration tools, but they all end up doing the same thing). Where am I going with this? You may want to keep this in mind as you check out the Linux Laptop site: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop Good luck, Dhruva --- "Christopher M. Kelty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bruce Perens claims that HP will now ship laptops > with Debian > installed (previously they just did RedHat, I guess) > although I think > they all have winmodems, which, from my experience > is a definite > hassle. It might be worth calling them to find out > more. > > ck > > > > >I have a very brief question. I'm not that familiar > at all with > >Debian, I used it a while back, although not a lot, > and I certainly > >qualify as a GNU/Linux neophyte. Enough with the > introduction. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Bruce Perens claims that HP will now ship laptops with Debian installed (previously they just did RedHat, I guess) although I think they all have winmodems, which, from my experience is a definite hassle. It might be worth calling them to find out more. ck > >I have a very brief question. I'm not that familiar at all with >Debian, I used it a while back, although not a lot, and I certainly >qualify as a GNU/Linux neophyte. Enough with the introduction. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 04:00:25PM +0200, Jonne wrote: > Hello there! > > Anyway, I've as of yet never used Debian on a laptop, and I'm > looking into picking up laptop computer, and I'm wondering if you > have any suggestions as to what I might want to pick up -- more > along the lines of manufacturers whose computers work well with the > latest version of Debian, rather than just the latest spiffy models, > since I'm not sure what I can afford. Well... I can't really comment on specific manufacturers... But ii'm currently typing this on a Toshiba Tecra 8000... It all works, (display, sound, pcmcia) but I think it's a real underperformer. The best thing you can do is look for a laptop and then check the detailed hardware specs. Look at what kind of video-chip and sound-chips are used, what other devices are installed, then check to see how well these are supported. I've just ordered a new laptop myself (www.pronote.nl promedion 14") and just checked their specs page. There may be one or 2 features that may not yet be supported (like firewire, winmodems etc) but if you make sure sound, video, lan and key/mouse work you will probably be a happy camper... all the other extra features will probably be supported in a few months anyway (accept for some winmodems, sony i-link etc) Mark Janssen Unix Consultant @ SyConOS IT E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG Key Id: 357D2178 http: maniac.nl, unix-god.[net|org], markjanssen.[com|net|org|nl] Fax/VoiceMail: +31 84 8757555 Finger for GPG and GeekCode -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Try doing a search for linux and laptop on google. You'll find several really good sites dedicated to exposing the pro and cons of different manufacturers. I chose Dell Inspiron 8000 myself for the lovely screen. Works fine with Debian. //Björnen. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
