Re: Mapping eth0 two ways
Andrew McMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote around 28 Jan 2003 news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: > I'm happy to help with setup of whereami (I'm the maintainer). Thanks and I shall likely be asking for help. A family event has stalled my engagement with this for the time being, but later... > I use it myself in an environment where I get my WLAN connection through > a PCMCIA card, but with other LANs I normally connect with the built-in > card. > > 'ifplugd' integrates with whereami automatically to reconfigure when you > plug the cable in. 'ifplugd'? Is this installed by default (a base-Debian component) or is it a package on its own, that I need to download and install, or is it a component of other some (non-base) package? It matters because I have to be aware of my dependency issues in advance. Since I am not (directly, with the Debian system in question) connected to the Internet ... oh, my, right back around to where this starts :-). Thanks, Soren A -- "So, tell me, my little one-eyed one, on what poor, pitiful, defenseless planet has my MONSTROSITY been unleashed?" - Dr. Jumba, Disney's "Lilo & Stitch"
Re: Mapping eth0 two ways
Andrew McMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote around 28 Jan 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: > I'm happy to help with setup of whereami (I'm the maintainer). Thanks and I shall likely be asking for help. A family event has stalled my engagement with this for the time being, but later... > I use it myself in an environment where I get my WLAN connection through > a PCMCIA card, but with other LANs I normally connect with the built-in > card. > > 'ifplugd' integrates with whereami automatically to reconfigure when you > plug the cable in. 'ifplugd'? Is this installed by default (a base-Debian component) or is it a package on its own, that I need to download and install, or is it a component of other some (non-base) package? It matters because I have to be aware of my dependency issues in advance. Since I am not (directly, with the Debian system in question) connected to the Internet ... oh, my, right back around to where this starts :-). Thanks, Soren A -- "So, tell me, my little one-eyed one, on what poor, pitiful, defenseless planet has my MONSTROSITY been unleashed?" - Dr. Jumba, Disney's "Lilo & Stitch" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mapping eth0 two ways
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 09:32, Soren A wrote: > > So my next question is this: ALL these packages seem oriented towards > PCMCIA bus cards but I am not using PCMCIA, I have a built-in NIC (3Com > Tornado). It seems like the examples given for these two newer packages > that can help me use my laptop with a DHCP-based ISP (cable modem), both > also use the PCMCIA package? Are all the examples and mechanisms for all > (3 of) these packages geared towards that? I don't want to touch my > PCMCIA package files, since I am not using that hardware. It doesn't > make sense to me that I would have to configure something belonging to > PCMCIA or even learn about it, when i am not using PCMCIA to begin > with. > > And, I still have to get my NIC to believe that it has a different > station address (MAC address) than the default, in order to get my > server to talk to me, TTBOMK. Hi Soren, I'm happy to help with setup of whereami (I'm the maintainer). I use it myself in an environment where I get my WLAN connection through a PCMCIA card, but with other LANs I normally connect with the built-in card. 'ifplugd' integrates with whereami automatically to reconfigure when you plug the cable in. Regards, Andrew. -- - Andrew @ Catalyst .Net.NZ Ltd, PO Box 11-053, Manners St, Wellington WEB: http://catalyst.net.nz/ PHYS: Level 2, 150-154 Willis St DDI: +64(4)916-7201 MOB: +64(21)635-694OFFICE: +64(4)499-2267 Survey for nothing with http://survey.net.nz/ -
Re: Mapping eth0 two ways
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 09:32, Soren A wrote: > > So my next question is this: ALL these packages seem oriented towards > PCMCIA bus cards but I am not using PCMCIA, I have a built-in NIC (3Com > Tornado). It seems like the examples given for these two newer packages > that can help me use my laptop with a DHCP-based ISP (cable modem), both > also use the PCMCIA package? Are all the examples and mechanisms for all > (3 of) these packages geared towards that? I don't want to touch my > PCMCIA package files, since I am not using that hardware. It doesn't > make sense to me that I would have to configure something belonging to > PCMCIA or even learn about it, when i am not using PCMCIA to begin > with. > > And, I still have to get my NIC to believe that it has a different > station address (MAC address) than the default, in order to get my > server to talk to me, TTBOMK. Hi Soren, I'm happy to help with setup of whereami (I'm the maintainer). I use it myself in an environment where I get my WLAN connection through a PCMCIA card, but with other LANs I normally connect with the built-in card. 'ifplugd' integrates with whereami automatically to reconfigure when you plug the cable in. Regards, Andrew. -- - Andrew @ Catalyst .Net.NZ Ltd, PO Box 11-053, Manners St, Wellington WEB: http://catalyst.net.nz/ PHYS: Level 2, 150-154 Willis St DDI: +64(4)916-7201 MOB: +64(21)635-694OFFICE: +64(4)499-2267 Survey for nothing with http://survey.net.nz/ - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mapping eth0 two ways
Derek Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote around 21 Jan 2003 news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > whereami or intuitively work much more, well - intuitively. And they > don't stop in the boot process. I am starting to lean toward 'whereami' or 'intuitively' now, because of this List. The examples given in the 'netenv' package are hard to understand (I think because some files are being used /referenced in them, that aren't set up or even existing, by default, as netenv is installed on the fresh system) and the author isn't here supporting it, whereas the authors of both 'whereami' and 'intuitively' seem to be right here on this List if I am not mistaken in my impression. That's a powerful argument in favor of switching over to one or the other. So my next question is this: ALL these packages seem oriented towards PCMCIA bus cards but I am not using PCMCIA, I have a built-in NIC (3Com Tornado). It seems like the examples given for these two newer packages that can help me use my laptop with a DHCP-based ISP (cable modem), both also use the PCMCIA package? Are all the examples and mechanisms for all (3 of) these packages geared towards that? I don't want to touch my PCMCIA package files, since I am not using that hardware. It doesn't make sense to me that I would have to configure something belonging to PCMCIA or even learn about it, when i am not using PCMCIA to begin with. And, I still have to get my NIC to believe that it has a different station address (MAC address) than the default, in order to get my server to talk to me, TTBOMK. Thanks, Soren A -- "So, tell me, my little one-eyed one, on what poor, pitiful, defenseless planet has my MONSTROSITY been unleashed?" - Dr. Jumba, Disney's "Lilo & Stitch"
Re: Mapping eth0 two ways
Derek Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote around 21 Jan 2003 00a001c2c14c$0987b880$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:">news:00a001c2c14c$0987b880$[EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > whereami or intuitively work much more, well - intuitively. And they > don't stop in the boot process. I am starting to lean toward 'whereami' or 'intuitively' now, because of this List. The examples given in the 'netenv' package are hard to understand (I think because some files are being used /referenced in them, that aren't set up or even existing, by default, as netenv is installed on the fresh system) and the author isn't here supporting it, whereas the authors of both 'whereami' and 'intuitively' seem to be right here on this List if I am not mistaken in my impression. That's a powerful argument in favor of switching over to one or the other. So my next question is this: ALL these packages seem oriented towards PCMCIA bus cards but I am not using PCMCIA, I have a built-in NIC (3Com Tornado). It seems like the examples given for these two newer packages that can help me use my laptop with a DHCP-based ISP (cable modem), both also use the PCMCIA package? Are all the examples and mechanisms for all (3 of) these packages geared towards that? I don't want to touch my PCMCIA package files, since I am not using that hardware. It doesn't make sense to me that I would have to configure something belonging to PCMCIA or even learn about it, when i am not using PCMCIA to begin with. And, I still have to get my NIC to believe that it has a different station address (MAC address) than the default, in order to get my server to talk to me, TTBOMK. Thanks, Soren A -- "So, tell me, my little one-eyed one, on what poor, pitiful, defenseless planet has my MONSTROSITY been unleashed?" - Dr. Jumba, Disney's "Lilo & Stitch" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mapping eth0 two ways
On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 08:22:32PM +, Soren A wrote: > One thing I need to achive, that is failing apparently, is assigning a > different MAC address to my NIC than the one 'hard-coded' in or > automatic to, that card. The reason being of course that my cable > provider tracks MACs and won't allow connection by a new system (as > sensed by a different MAC address). But it seems like the card isn't > accepting the change, even though the HOWTOs and docus seem to say that > most cards will: > > root$ifconfig eth0 down > root$ifconfig eth0 [IP] netmask [NETMASK] hw ether AB:CD:EF:01:02:03 [up] > > If anyone can see what I might be doing wrong in that command above please > help me out! the following works for me: ifconfig eth0 [inet] 192.168.0.6 netmask 255.255.255.0 hw ether AB:CD:EF:01:02:03 [up] with our without the inet and the up. anni:/home/hugh# ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr AB:CD:EF:01:02:03 inet addr:192.168.0.6 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 find it much easier to put these details in /etc/network/interfaces what error do you get? or does ifconfig still show the orig. mac address? hugh
Re: Mapping eth0 two ways
On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 08:22:32PM +, Soren A wrote: > One thing I need to achive, that is failing apparently, is assigning a > different MAC address to my NIC than the one 'hard-coded' in or > automatic to, that card. The reason being of course that my cable > provider tracks MACs and won't allow connection by a new system (as > sensed by a different MAC address). But it seems like the card isn't > accepting the change, even though the HOWTOs and docus seem to say that > most cards will: > > root$ifconfig eth0 down > root$ifconfig eth0 [IP] netmask [NETMASK] hw ether AB:CD:EF:01:02:03 [up] > > If anyone can see what I might be doing wrong in that command above please > help me out! the following works for me: ifconfig eth0 [inet] 192.168.0.6 netmask 255.255.255.0 hw ether AB:CD:EF:01:02:03 [up] with our without the inet and the up. anni:/home/hugh# ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr AB:CD:EF:01:02:03 inet addr:192.168.0.6 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 find it much easier to put these details in /etc/network/interfaces what error do you get? or does ifconfig still show the orig. mac address? hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mapping eth0 two ways
[I set follow-ups to only gmane.linux.debian.user.laptop] Phil Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote around 21 Jan 2003 news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: >> Note that you either have to specify a kernel parameter or enter the >> chosen environment by hand during boot time. The boot process will >> stop until you entered something. > > Unfortunately, there seems to be little if any documentation for this > on how to get it to achieve what I need. It only *seems* that way. The lack of an 'info' page or an equivalent 'man' page for netenv is unfortunate for new users -- who are quite precisely the people who are fairly likely to need detailed instructions. I am such a person, and I have the same dilemma as you do. Now, you may have discovered by time of this writing what I did when the desperation grew sufficiently intense: that the real documentation for netenv is fairly good (for Free Software) and extensive and lives in /usr/share/doc/netenv. This dir contains a html-format guide and supplemental files that demo various strategies. Specifically a file "network.opts" existing there seems to be a starting-point for what you want to do. As I understand it, netenv is exactly what you want to use. I myself am trying to set up a laptop to connect sometimes through a cable provider using DHCP that gives out dynamic ip's, and sometimes as an unconnected stand-alone box with only a reserved private IP (technically I guess I don't even need that, but anyway I may being trying to peer-to-peer it with a MSWin box later, so making an IP assignment from the reserve pools, already, isn't a bad idea). One thing I need to achive, that is failing apparently, is assigning a different MAC address to my NIC than the one 'hard-coded' in or automatic to, that card. The reason being of course that my cable provider tracks MACs and won't allow connection by a new system (as sensed by a different MAC address). But it seems like the card isn't accepting the change, even though the HOWTOs and docus seem to say that most cards will: root$ifconfig eth0 down root$ifconfig eth0 [IP] netmask [NETMASK] hw ether AB:CD:EF:01:02:03 [up] If anyone can see what I might be doing wrong in that command above please help me out! Good Luck, Soren A -- "So, tell me, my little one-eyed one, on what poor, pitiful, defenseless planet has my MONSTROSITY been unleashed?" - Dr. Jumba, Disney's "Lilo & Stitch"
Re: Mapping eth0 two ways
[I set follow-ups to only gmane.linux.debian.user.laptop] Phil Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote around 21 Jan 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: >> Note that you either have to specify a kernel parameter or enter the >> chosen environment by hand during boot time. The boot process will >> stop until you entered something. > > Unfortunately, there seems to be little if any documentation for this > on how to get it to achieve what I need. It only *seems* that way. The lack of an 'info' page or an equivalent 'man' page for netenv is unfortunate for new users -- who are quite precisely the people who are fairly likely to need detailed instructions. I am such a person, and I have the same dilemma as you do. Now, you may have discovered by time of this writing what I did when the desperation grew sufficiently intense: that the real documentation for netenv is fairly good (for Free Software) and extensive and lives in /usr/share/doc/netenv. This dir contains a html-format guide and supplemental files that demo various strategies. Specifically a file "network.opts" existing there seems to be a starting-point for what you want to do. As I understand it, netenv is exactly what you want to use. I myself am trying to set up a laptop to connect sometimes through a cable provider using DHCP that gives out dynamic ip's, and sometimes as an unconnected stand-alone box with only a reserved private IP (technically I guess I don't even need that, but anyway I may being trying to peer-to-peer it with a MSWin box later, so making an IP assignment from the reserve pools, already, isn't a bad idea). One thing I need to achive, that is failing apparently, is assigning a different MAC address to my NIC than the one 'hard-coded' in or automatic to, that card. The reason being of course that my cable provider tracks MACs and won't allow connection by a new system (as sensed by a different MAC address). But it seems like the card isn't accepting the change, even though the HOWTOs and docus seem to say that most cards will: root$ifconfig eth0 down root$ifconfig eth0 [IP] netmask [NETMASK] hw ether AB:CD:EF:01:02:03 [up] If anyone can see what I might be doing wrong in that command above please help me out! Good Luck, Soren A -- "So, tell me, my little one-eyed one, on what poor, pitiful, defenseless planet has my MONSTROSITY been unleashed?" - Dr. Jumba, Disney's "Lilo & Stitch" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mapping eth0 two ways
On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 08:53:04AM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote: > From: "Ulf Katzenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > there is a package called netenv, use this for yout latpop, > > here's the description: > ... > > Note that you either have to specify a kernel parameter or enter the chosen > > environment by hand during boot time. The boot process will stop until you > > entered something. > > whereami or intuitively work much more, well - intuitively. And they don't > stop > in the boot process. Three suggestions, none of which I can understand (!). I could do with some practical examples. It's only eth0 I need to configure, and only two ways as yet. -- Phil Reynolds (PGP now available) o Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |L_ \ / Web: http://www.tinsleyviaduct.com/phil/ (_)- \/ Waltham 67, Emley Moor 69, Droitwich 79, Windows 95
Re: Mapping eth0 two ways
On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 08:53:04AM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote: > From: "Ulf Katzenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > there is a package called netenv, use this for yout latpop, > > here's the description: > ... > > Note that you either have to specify a kernel parameter or enter the chosen > > environment by hand during boot time. The boot process will stop until you > > entered something. > > whereami or intuitively work much more, well - intuitively. And they don't stop > in the boot process. Three suggestions, none of which I can understand (!). I could do with some practical examples. It's only eth0 I need to configure, and only two ways as yet. -- Phil Reynolds (PGP now available) o Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |L_ \ / Web: http://www.tinsleyviaduct.com/phil/ (_)- \/ Waltham 67, Emley Moor 69, Droitwich 79, Windows 95 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mapping eth0 two ways
From: "Ulf Katzenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > there is a package called netenv, use this for yout latpop, > here's the description: ... > Note that you either have to specify a kernel parameter or enter the chosen > environment by hand during boot time. The boot process will stop until you > entered something. whereami or intuitively work much more, well - intuitively. And they don't stop in the boot process.
Re: Mapping eth0 two ways
On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 09:18:13AM +0100, Ulf Katzenberger wrote: > Hi , > > there is a package called netenv, use this for yout latpop, > here's the description: > > netenv > Description: Configure your system for different network environments. > Netenv creates a file containing variable assignments which reflect the > current environment. It is especially useful for notebook computers, since > it is used (if configured) by the PCMCIA setup scheme included in the > Debian pcmcia-cs package and the plip setup script included as an example > in this package. You can also use netenv configure your windowmanager or > your printing environment. > . > Note that you either have to specify a kernel parameter or enter the chosen > environment by hand during boot time. The boot process will stop until you > entered something. Unfortunately, there seems to be little if any documentation for this on how to get it to achieve what I need. -- Phil Reynolds (PGP now available) o Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |L_ \ / Web: http://www.tinsleyviaduct.com/phil/ (_)- \/ Waltham 67, Emley Moor 69, Droitwich 79, Windows 95 pgpeYjYdPcCfX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mapping eth0 two ways
From: "Ulf Katzenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > there is a package called netenv, use this for yout latpop, > here's the description: ... > Note that you either have to specify a kernel parameter or enter the chosen > environment by hand during boot time. The boot process will stop until you > entered something. whereami or intuitively work much more, well - intuitively. And they don't stop in the boot process. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mapping eth0 two ways
On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 09:18:13AM +0100, Ulf Katzenberger wrote: > Hi , > > there is a package called netenv, use this for yout latpop, > here's the description: > > netenv > Description: Configure your system for different network environments. > Netenv creates a file containing variable assignments which reflect the > current environment. It is especially useful for notebook computers, since > it is used (if configured) by the PCMCIA setup scheme included in the > Debian pcmcia-cs package and the plip setup script included as an example > in this package. You can also use netenv configure your windowmanager or > your printing environment. > . > Note that you either have to specify a kernel parameter or enter the chosen > environment by hand during boot time. The boot process will stop until you > entered something. Unfortunately, there seems to be little if any documentation for this on how to get it to achieve what I need. -- Phil Reynolds (PGP now available) o Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |L_ \ / Web: http://www.tinsleyviaduct.com/phil/ (_)- \/ Waltham 67, Emley Moor 69, Droitwich 79, Windows 95 msg10601/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mapping eth0 two ways
Hi , there is a package called netenv, use this for yout latpop, here's the description: netenv Description: Configure your system for different network environments. Netenv creates a file containing variable assignments which reflect the current environment. It is especially useful for notebook computers, since it is used (if configured) by the PCMCIA setup scheme included in the Debian pcmcia-cs package and the plip setup script included as an example in this package. You can also use netenv configure your windowmanager or your printing environment. . Note that you either have to specify a kernel parameter or enter the chosen environment by hand during boot time. The boot process will stop until you entered something. Greetings ulf -- ## # Ulf Katzenberger e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # GeNUA mbH - 85551 Kirchheim Tel: +49 (89) 991950-0 # ##
Re: Mapping eth0 two ways
Hi , there is a package called netenv, use this for yout latpop, here's the description: netenv Description: Configure your system for different network environments. Netenv creates a file containing variable assignments which reflect the current environment. It is especially useful for notebook computers, since it is used (if configured) by the PCMCIA setup scheme included in the Debian pcmcia-cs package and the plip setup script included as an example in this package. You can also use netenv configure your windowmanager or your printing environment. . Note that you either have to specify a kernel parameter or enter the chosen environment by hand during boot time. The boot process will stop until you entered something. Greetings ulf -- ## # Ulf Katzenberger e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # GeNUA mbH - 85551 Kirchheim Tel: +49 (89) 991950-0 # ## -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
