Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Charlie Hedlin]

I wanted to leave my Notebooks mbr alone (has a recovery program in it), 
so I installed grub in the boot block of my linux partition.  

I then made that the active partition and boot with a standard MBR.  To 
chainload Windows XP I omit the makeactive step, and things work fine.


Charlie

Stefan Bellon wrote:


Stefan Bellon wrote:


HubertChan wrote:



[snip]


Try it out for yourself.  When you get into GRUB, go to the GRUB
command line, and issue the following commands:

root (hd0,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1
boot



That works without problems, indeed.

[snip]


one) if c:\boot.ini has only the WinXP entry. And you don't have to
rely on the c:\bootlinx.bin on the WinXP partition. I'll try that
later on.
:-)



But now I know the problem again why I didn't do it this way: My
notebook BIOS doesn't boot with GRUB in the MBR.

Greetings,

Stefan.

Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Charlie Hedlin]

I wanted to leave my Notebooks mbr alone (has a recovery program in it), 
so I installed grub in the boot block of my linux partition.  

I then made that the active partition and boot with a standard MBR.  To 
chainload Windows XP I omit the makeactive step, and things work fine.

Charlie

Stefan Bellon wrote:

>Stefan Bellon wrote:
>
>>HubertChan wrote:
>>
>
>[snip]
>
>>>Try it out for yourself.  When you get into GRUB, go to the GRUB
>>>command line, and issue the following commands:
>>>
>>>root (hd0,0)
>>>makeactive
>>>chainloader +1
>>>boot
>>>
>
>That works without problems, indeed.
>
>[snip]
>
>>one) if c:\boot.ini has only the WinXP entry. And you don't have to
>>rely on the c:\bootlinx.bin on the WinXP partition. I'll try that
>>later on.
>>:-)
>>
>
>But now I know the problem again why I didn't do it this way: My
>notebook BIOS doesn't boot with GRUB in the MBR.
>
>Greetings,
>
>Stefan.
>



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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Stefan Bellon]

Stefan Bellon wrote:
> HubertChan wrote:

[snip]

> > Try it out for yourself.  When you get into GRUB, go to the GRUB
> > command line, and issue the following commands:
> > 
> > root (hd0,0)
> > makeactive
> > chainloader +1
> > boot

That works without problems, indeed.

[snip]

> one) if c:\boot.ini has only the WinXP entry. And you don't have to
> rely on the c:\bootlinx.bin on the WinXP partition. I'll try that
> later on.
> :-)

But now I know the problem again why I didn't do it this way: My
notebook BIOS doesn't boot with GRUB in the MBR.

Greetings,

Stefan.

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Robb Kidd]

Hubert Chan wrote:

I don't see why you need to copy your LILO configuration to your C:
drive.  I would think that after you change your LILO config, you would
just need to rerun lilo, and that should be it.


	This is necessary when, as Alex stated, you use the WindowsFOO boot 
manager.  In that scenario, LILO writes the pertinent boot information 
to the head of your / or /boot partition (as instructed by you in 
/etc/lilo.conf).  To make the Windows2000 or XP loader aware of this, 
the first 512 bytes of said partition must be written to a file (dd 
if=/dev/[lilobootpart] bs=512 count=1 of=/bootsect.bin), copied over to 
the Windows system partition (C:\bootsect.bin) and an appropriate entry 
added to the Windows boot.ini file (echo c:\bootsect.bin="Linux" >> 
boot.ini).


	It is possible to replace the WindowsFOO boot loader with LILO and make 
Windows one of its options rather than the other way around (Linux one 
of Windows' boot options).  If we knew Alex's drive partitioning scheme 
and his current /etc/lilo.conf, one of us could provide a drop-in 
replacement lilo.conf.

Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Hubert Chan]

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> "Alex" == Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Alex> Is there an easy way to do this same thing in LILO? Or are there
Alex> any additional benefits to installing GRUB? As my system stands
Alex> right now, I let XP handle booting, but this is a pain in my rear
Alex> end as my C: drive is NTFS so any time I change my LILO config I
Alex> have to boot into Windows to copy my LILO boot file to
Alex> C:. Anything to simplify this would be wonderful.

It's been a while since I've used LILO, but I think that LILO should be
able to boot WinXP.  I don't think that LILO has any command line where
you can enter commands, but you should be able to install it so that it
boots the first sector of the WinXP partition, and that should be enough
to boot WinXP (or boot its boot loader).

I don't see why you need to copy your LILO configuration to your C:
drive.  I would think that after you change your LILO config, you would
just need to rerun lilo, and that should be it.

But one thing that I love about GRUB is that you can stick it on a
floppy, and if you ever mess it up on your hard drive, you can always
use your floppy to recover.  Since GRUB groks most Linux filesystems
(ext2fs and reiserfs are definitely supported, I don't know about
others), you don't have to have to change anything on the floppy to make
it work between kernel versions -- it can always find your kernel
image.  (And, of course, you can always use it to boot the WinXP boot
loader.)

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Stefan Bellon]

Stefan Bellon wrote:
> HubertChan wrote:

[snip]

> > Try it out for yourself.  When you get into GRUB, go to the GRUB
> > command line, and issue the following commands:
> > 
> > root (hd0,0)
> > makeactive
> > chainloader +1
> > boot

That works without problems, indeed.

[snip]

> one) if c:\boot.ini has only the WinXP entry. And you don't have to
> rely on the c:\bootlinx.bin on the WinXP partition. I'll try that
> later on.
> :-)

But now I know the problem again why I didn't do it this way: My
notebook BIOS doesn't boot with GRUB in the MBR.

Greetings,

Stefan.

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Robb Kidd]

Hubert Chan wrote:
> I don't see why you need to copy your LILO configuration to your C:
> drive.  I would think that after you change your LILO config, you would
> just need to rerun lilo, and that should be it.

This is necessary when, as Alex stated, you use the WindowsFOO boot 
manager.  In that scenario, LILO writes the pertinent boot information 
to the head of your / or /boot partition (as instructed by you in 
/etc/lilo.conf).  To make the Windows2000 or XP loader aware of this, 
the first 512 bytes of said partition must be written to a file (dd 
if=/dev/[lilobootpart] bs=512 count=1 of=/bootsect.bin), copied over to 
the Windows system partition (C:\bootsect.bin) and an appropriate entry 
added to the Windows boot.ini file (echo c:\bootsect.bin="Linux" >> 
boot.ini).

It is possible to replace the WindowsFOO boot loader with LILO and make 
Windows one of its options rather than the other way around (Linux one 
of Windows' boot options).  If we knew Alex's drive partitioning scheme 
and his current /etc/lilo.conf, one of us could provide a drop-in 
replacement lilo.conf.


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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Alex Malinovich]

On 7 Mar 2002, Hubert Chan wrote:

> FWIW, I'm using GRUB to boot WinXP, and it's definitely working.  GRUB
> doesn't need to read NTFS to boot WinXP.  It just needs to be able to
> read the first block of the partition and do "chainloading" as they call
> it (load the first block into memory, and start executing it).
> 
> Try it out for yourself.  When you get into GRUB, go to the GRUB command
> line, and issue the following commands:
> 
> root (hd0,0)
> makeactive
> chainloader +1
> boot
> 
> (of course, replace (hd0,0) with whatever partition WinXP is installed
> on.  The makeactive command may not be required.)
> 
> The great thing about going straight to GRUB is that it allows me to
> select among any number of different Linux kernels, WinXP, Memtest86,
> etc. all in one shot.

Is there an easy way to do this same thing in LILO? Or are there any
additional benefits to installing GRUB? As my system stands right now, I
let XP handle booting, but this is a pain in my rear end as my C: drive is
NTFS so any time I change my LILO config I have to boot into Windows to
copy my LILO boot file to C:. Anything to simplify this would be
wonderful.

-Alex

Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Hubert Chan]

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Alex> Is there an easy way to do this same thing in LILO? Or are there
Alex> any additional benefits to installing GRUB? As my system stands
Alex> right now, I let XP handle booting, but this is a pain in my rear
Alex> end as my C: drive is NTFS so any time I change my LILO config I
Alex> have to boot into Windows to copy my LILO boot file to
Alex> C:. Anything to simplify this would be wonderful.

It's been a while since I've used LILO, but I think that LILO should be
able to boot WinXP.  I don't think that LILO has any command line where
you can enter commands, but you should be able to install it so that it
boots the first sector of the WinXP partition, and that should be enough
to boot WinXP (or boot its boot loader).

I don't see why you need to copy your LILO configuration to your C:
drive.  I would think that after you change your LILO config, you would
just need to rerun lilo, and that should be it.

But one thing that I love about GRUB is that you can stick it on a
floppy, and if you ever mess it up on your hard drive, you can always
use your floppy to recover.  Since GRUB groks most Linux filesystems
(ext2fs and reiserfs are definitely supported, I don't know about
others), you don't have to have to change anything on the floppy to make
it work between kernel versions -- it can always find your kernel
image.  (And, of course, you can always use it to boot the WinXP boot
loader.)

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Stefan Bellon]

HubertChan wrote:
> > "Stefan" == Stefan Bellon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Stefan> You can't do it the other way round (i.e. using GRUB to boot
> Stefan> WinXP), as GRUB can't read NTFS (AFAICT).
> 
> FWIW, I'm using GRUB to boot WinXP, and it's definitely working.  GRUB
> doesn't need to read NTFS to boot WinXP.  It just needs to be able to
> read the first block of the partition and do "chainloading" as they
> call it (load the first block into memory, and start executing it).
> 
> Try it out for yourself.  When you get into GRUB, go to the GRUB
> command line, and issue the following commands:
> 
> root (hd0,0)
> makeactive
> chainloader +1
> boot

Ok, so you have GRUB installed in the MBR. And the NT boot loader is
installed in (hd0,0) as it seems. So you first get the GRUB menu and
afterwards you get the WinXP boot loader menu (or none, if you have only
one entry in c:\boot.ini).

I didn't now that chainloading works with NTFS. I thought you need some
FAT format for it to work.

Indeed, then your method is nicer as you only have one menu (the GRUB
one) if c:\boot.ini has only the WinXP entry. And you don't have to rely
on the c:\bootlinx.bin on the WinXP partition. I'll try that later on.
:-)

> The great thing about going straight to GRUB is that it allows me to
> select among any number of different Linux kernels, WinXP, Memtest86,
> etc. all in one shot.

Yes, I had set up that for my old notebook (which ran Win98) as well,
but I didn't know it was possible with NTFS as well.

Thanks for the information.

Greetings,

Stefan.

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Alex Malinovich]

On 7 Mar 2002, Hubert Chan wrote:

> FWIW, I'm using GRUB to boot WinXP, and it's definitely working.  GRUB
> doesn't need to read NTFS to boot WinXP.  It just needs to be able to
> read the first block of the partition and do "chainloading" as they call
> it (load the first block into memory, and start executing it).
> 
> Try it out for yourself.  When you get into GRUB, go to the GRUB command
> line, and issue the following commands:
> 
> root (hd0,0)
> makeactive
> chainloader +1
> boot
> 
> (of course, replace (hd0,0) with whatever partition WinXP is installed
> on.  The makeactive command may not be required.)
> 
> The great thing about going straight to GRUB is that it allows me to
> select among any number of different Linux kernels, WinXP, Memtest86,
> etc. all in one shot.

Is there an easy way to do this same thing in LILO? Or are there any
additional benefits to installing GRUB? As my system stands right now, I
let XP handle booting, but this is a pain in my rear end as my C: drive is
NTFS so any time I change my LILO config I have to boot into Windows to
copy my LILO boot file to C:. Anything to simplify this would be
wonderful.

-Alex


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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Hubert Chan]

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> "Stefan" == Stefan Bellon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Stefan> You can't do it the other way round (i.e. using GRUB to boot
Stefan> WinXP), as GRUB can't read NTFS (AFAICT).

FWIW, I'm using GRUB to boot WinXP, and it's definitely working.  GRUB
doesn't need to read NTFS to boot WinXP.  It just needs to be able to
read the first block of the partition and do "chainloading" as they call
it (load the first block into memory, and start executing it).

Try it out for yourself.  When you get into GRUB, go to the GRUB command
line, and issue the following commands:

root (hd0,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1
boot

(of course, replace (hd0,0) with whatever partition WinXP is installed
on.  The makeactive command may not be required.)

The great thing about going straight to GRUB is that it allows me to
select among any number of different Linux kernels, WinXP, Memtest86,
etc. all in one shot.

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Stefan Bellon]

HubertChan wrote:
> > "Stefan" == Stefan Bellon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Stefan> You can't do it the other way round (i.e. using GRUB to boot
> Stefan> WinXP), as GRUB can't read NTFS (AFAICT).
> 
> FWIW, I'm using GRUB to boot WinXP, and it's definitely working.  GRUB
> doesn't need to read NTFS to boot WinXP.  It just needs to be able to
> read the first block of the partition and do "chainloading" as they
> call it (load the first block into memory, and start executing it).
> 
> Try it out for yourself.  When you get into GRUB, go to the GRUB
> command line, and issue the following commands:
> 
> root (hd0,0)
> makeactive
> chainloader +1
> boot

Ok, so you have GRUB installed in the MBR. And the NT boot loader is
installed in (hd0,0) as it seems. So you first get the GRUB menu and
afterwards you get the WinXP boot loader menu (or none, if you have only
one entry in c:\boot.ini).

I didn't now that chainloading works with NTFS. I thought you need some
FAT format for it to work.

Indeed, then your method is nicer as you only have one menu (the GRUB
one) if c:\boot.ini has only the WinXP entry. And you don't have to rely
on the c:\bootlinx.bin on the WinXP partition. I'll try that later on.
:-)

> The great thing about going straight to GRUB is that it allows me to
> select among any number of different Linux kernels, WinXP, Memtest86,
> etc. all in one shot.

Yes, I had set up that for my old notebook (which ran Win98) as well,
but I didn't know it was possible with NTFS as well.

Thanks for the information.

Greetings,

Stefan.

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Hubert Chan]

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> "Stefan" == Stefan Bellon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Stefan> You can't do it the other way round (i.e. using GRUB to boot
Stefan> WinXP), as GRUB can't read NTFS (AFAICT).

FWIW, I'm using GRUB to boot WinXP, and it's definitely working.  GRUB
doesn't need to read NTFS to boot WinXP.  It just needs to be able to
read the first block of the partition and do "chainloading" as they call
it (load the first block into memory, and start executing it).

Try it out for yourself.  When you get into GRUB, go to the GRUB command
line, and issue the following commands:

root (hd0,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1
boot

(of course, replace (hd0,0) with whatever partition WinXP is installed
on.  The makeactive command may not be required.)

The great thing about going straight to GRUB is that it allows me to
select among any number of different Linux kernels, WinXP, Memtest86,
etc. all in one shot.

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Stefan Bellon]

Alessandro Speranza wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Luis Mendes wrote:

> > I am about to install Woody in my new Toshiba 1800-314 which came
> > with a copy of WinXp Home Edition installed. In the past I had linux
> > coexisting with different flavours of Windows (3.11, 95, 98) but
> > never with XP. I am a bit worried because after a search I got
> > conflicting views on how easy it is to get linux coexisting with XP.
> > As anyone in this list tried it sucssefuly? One other related issue
> > is that XP comes installed in a WIN32 filesystem but I can convert
> > it to NTFS. Should I do this? will Linux be able to see my XP
> > partition in an NTFS filesystem. 
> I haven't tried myself, I'll start today or tomorrow the effort, but
> I've seen people doing it. All of them told me to remove windows and
> partition first, because otherwise you'll never get it back on the
> move.

I have installed it successfully together with WinXP using NTFS. I
didn't remove the NTFS partition first. I used Partition Magic to size
the partition down. Then I added two linux partitons (one swap, one
normal) after the NTFS one.

Considering multi-boot, I'm using a two-stage booting. First the NT boot
loader gives the option between "Debian GNU/Linux" and "Microsoft
Windows XP Home Edition". If I select Linux, then GRUB gets loaded and
presents me with the Linux boot loader menu.

This way I can recompile kernels without having to adjust anything under
Windows XP.

In order to do this, install GRUB into your Linux partition. Copy the
first 512 bytes to a file and place it inside C:\bootlinx.bin or
similar. Add an entry to C:\boot.ini to load that file.

You can't do it the other way round (i.e. using GRUB to boot WinXP), as
GRUB can't read NTFS (AFAICT).

Hope this helps a bit.

Greetings,

Stefan.

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Alessandro Speranza]

On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Luis Mendes wrote:

> 
> Hi, 
> 
> I am about to install Woody in my new Toshiba 1800-314 which came with
> a copy of WinXp Home Edition installed. In the past I had linux
> coexisting with different flavours of Windows (3.11, 95, 98) but never
> with XP. I am a bit worried because after a search I got conflicting
> views on how easy it is to get linux coexisting with XP. As
> anyone in this list tried it sucssefuly? One other related issue is
> that XP comes installed in a WIN32 filesystem but I can convert it to
> NTFS. Should I do this? will Linux be able to see my XP partition in 
> an NTFS filesystem. 
I haven't tried myself, I'll start today or tomorrow the effort, but I've
seen people doing it. All of them told me to remove windows and partition
first, because otherwise you'll never get it back on the move.

Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Stefan Bellon]

Alessandro Speranza wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Luis Mendes wrote:

> > I am about to install Woody in my new Toshiba 1800-314 which came
> > with a copy of WinXp Home Edition installed. In the past I had linux
> > coexisting with different flavours of Windows (3.11, 95, 98) but
> > never with XP. I am a bit worried because after a search I got
> > conflicting views on how easy it is to get linux coexisting with XP.
> > As anyone in this list tried it sucssefuly? One other related issue
> > is that XP comes installed in a WIN32 filesystem but I can convert
> > it to NTFS. Should I do this? will Linux be able to see my XP
> > partition in an NTFS filesystem. 
> I haven't tried myself, I'll start today or tomorrow the effort, but
> I've seen people doing it. All of them told me to remove windows and
> partition first, because otherwise you'll never get it back on the
> move.

I have installed it successfully together with WinXP using NTFS. I
didn't remove the NTFS partition first. I used Partition Magic to size
the partition down. Then I added two linux partitons (one swap, one
normal) after the NTFS one.

Considering multi-boot, I'm using a two-stage booting. First the NT boot
loader gives the option between "Debian GNU/Linux" and "Microsoft
Windows XP Home Edition". If I select Linux, then GRUB gets loaded and
presents me with the Linux boot loader menu.

This way I can recompile kernels without having to adjust anything under
Windows XP.

In order to do this, install GRUB into your Linux partition. Copy the
first 512 bytes to a file and place it inside C:\bootlinx.bin or
similar. Add an entry to C:\boot.ini to load that file.

You can't do it the other way round (i.e. using GRUB to boot WinXP), as
GRUB can't read NTFS (AFAICT).

Hope this helps a bit.

Greetings,

Stefan.

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Alessandro Speranza]

On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Luis Mendes wrote:

> 
> Hi, 
> 
> I am about to install Woody in my new Toshiba 1800-314 which came with
> a copy of WinXp Home Edition installed. In the past I had linux
> coexisting with different flavours of Windows (3.11, 95, 98) but never
> with XP. I am a bit worried because after a search I got conflicting
> views on how easy it is to get linux coexisting with XP. As
> anyone in this list tried it sucssefuly? One other related issue is
> that XP comes installed in a WIN32 filesystem but I can convert it to
> NTFS. Should I do this? will Linux be able to see my XP partition in 
> an NTFS filesystem. 
I haven't tried myself, I'll start today or tomorrow the effort, but I've
seen people doing it. All of them told me to remove windows and partition
first, because otherwise you'll never get it back on the move.


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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Ilia Lobsanov]

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Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: Windows XP + Linux




> FWIW, I have Linux, and XP on the same drive on my laptop (IBM
> ThinkPad).  I didn't encounter any problems, except that XP got
> installed on an NTFS partition, so I had to get PartitionMagic to shrink
> it.  Linux seems to read NTFS partitions fine, except that it's only
> root-readable, even if I mount as a normal user. 

you can fix that by mounting with option "umask=002"

ilia.

Re: Windows XP + Linux

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Luis> Other replies to the list seem to indicate that it shoudl also
Luis> work with LILO. Just in case, where is the XP bootloader located?

I use GRUB, which is more powerful than LILO.  If you're worried, you
can put GRUB on a floppy, check that you can boot Windows from
GRUB-on-a-floppy just booting into the XP partition, and then if you
mess things up real bad, you can always go back to your GRUB floppy.  Of
course, you'll need to read the GRUB manuals to figure out how things
work.

FWIW, I have Linux, and XP on the same drive on my laptop (IBM
ThinkPad).  I didn't encounter any problems, except that XP got
installed on an NTFS partition, so I had to get PartitionMagic to shrink
it.  Linux seems to read NTFS partitions fine, except that it's only
root-readable, even if I mount as a normal user.  I have a small FAT32
partition that I can use to transfer files, but that's going to be going
away soon, because I don't use XP much.

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Jeff]

Martin Hermanowski, 2002-Mar-06 20:22 +0100:
> 
> I got a pre-installed XPpro on my TP A30, it works well with woody. I
> can mount the NTFS XP-Partition (readonly), and XP can be started easily
> by lilo.

Yeah, I don't trust Linux to write to NTFS yet either, so I
created a small (500MB) FAT32 partition that I use to put files
from Linux that I want Windows to have access to.

NTFS is mounted ro and FAT is rw.  It works for me.

jc

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Ilia Lobsanov]

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From: "Hubert Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: Windows XP + Linux




> FWIW, I have Linux, and XP on the same drive on my laptop (IBM
> ThinkPad).  I didn't encounter any problems, except that XP got
> installed on an NTFS partition, so I had to get PartitionMagic to shrink
> it.  Linux seems to read NTFS partitions fine, except that it's only
> root-readable, even if I mount as a normal user. 

you can fix that by mounting with option "umask=002"

ilia.




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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Brian Nelson]

Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Wed, 2002-03-06 at 12:39, Luis Mendes wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, 
> > 
> > I am about to install Woody in my new Toshiba 1800-314 which came with
> > a copy of WinXp Home Edition installed. In the past I had linux
> > coexisting with different flavours of Windows (3.11, 95, 98) but never
> > with XP. I am a bit worried because after a search I got conflicting
> > views on how easy it is to get linux coexisting with XP. As
> > anyone in this list tried it sucssefuly? One other related issue is
> > that XP comes installed in a WIN32 filesystem but I can convert it to
> > NTFS. Should I do this? will Linux be able to see my XP partition in 
> > an NTFS filesystem. 
> > 
> > I looked in the archive for this list but it seems this topic was
> > never raised.
> > 
> > I have a 15G unpartitioned disk.
> > 
> > Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.
> > 
> > Cheers, 
> > 
> > Luis
> 
> Well, personally, I would call Toshiba, demand a refund for XP after
> rejecting the license terms, and then proceed to put Debian on there.

I wouldn't do that, unless you don't mind having a laptop with no
power management support.  In my experience, most newer Toshibas have
problems with both APM and ACPI in linux.

> HOWEVER, in regards to your questions:
> 
> Converting to NTFS would be good if you were going to spend a LOT of
> time in Windows, however keep in mind that there's still no real
> reliable way to WRITE to and NTFS partition. (Though you should be able
> to read from it just fine.)
> 
> My desktop machine is currently running XP and Debian in a dual boot
> configuration with no problems (running Cygwin with XFree86 while in
> Windows to make it bearable). I am using the XP bootloader however, so
> if you're intending to try using LILO as your primary bootloader I don't
> know if it will work. As long as you stick with letting XP handle the
> MBR though, everything should work just fine. Good luck.

LILO works fine as well.  Just be wary that any time you install any
MS OS, it will clobber the MBR, thereby disabling LILO.  You'll need a
boot disk to re-enable it...

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Luis Mendes]

On 6 Mar 2002, Alex Malinovich wrote:

> Well, personally, I would call Toshiba, demand a refund for XP after
> rejecting the license terms, and then proceed to put Debian on there.
> HOWEVER, in regards to your questions:

That crossed my mind but there was a plastic wrapper covering he
laptop sealed with a sticker stating that by breaking the seal I was
accepting all the license terms for everything including the software.
This is probably illegal, but I need to use the laptop...

> 
> My desktop machine is currently running XP and Debian in a dual boot
> configuration with no problems (running Cygwin with XFree86 while in
> Windows to make it bearable). I am using the XP bootloader however, so
> if you're intending to try using LILO as your primary bootloader I don't
> know if it will work. As long as you stick with letting XP handle the
> MBR though, everything should work just fine. Good luck.

Other replies to the list seem to indicate that it shoudl also work
with LILO. Just in case, where is the XP bootloader located?

Luis

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Martin Hermanowski]

On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 06:39:03PM +, Luis Mendes wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> I am about to install Woody in my new Toshiba 1800-314 which came with
> a copy of WinXp Home Edition installed. In the past I had linux
> coexisting with different flavours of Windows (3.11, 95, 98) but never
> with XP. I am a bit worried because after a search I got conflicting
> views on how easy it is to get linux coexisting with XP. As
> anyone in this list tried it sucssefuly? One other related issue is
> that XP comes installed in a WIN32 filesystem but I can convert it to
> NTFS. Should I do this? will Linux be able to see my XP partition in 
> an NTFS filesystem. 

I got a pre-installed XPpro on my TP A30, it works well with woody. I
can mount the NTFS XP-Partition (readonly), and XP can be started easily
by lilo.

I didn't encounter any problems so far.

HTH
Martin

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

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> "Luis" == Luis Mendes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Luis> Other replies to the list seem to indicate that it shoudl also
Luis> work with LILO. Just in case, where is the XP bootloader located?

I use GRUB, which is more powerful than LILO.  If you're worried, you
can put GRUB on a floppy, check that you can boot Windows from
GRUB-on-a-floppy just booting into the XP partition, and then if you
mess things up real bad, you can always go back to your GRUB floppy.  Of
course, you'll need to read the GRUB manuals to figure out how things
work.

FWIW, I have Linux, and XP on the same drive on my laptop (IBM
ThinkPad).  I didn't encounter any problems, except that XP got
installed on an NTFS partition, so I had to get PartitionMagic to shrink
it.  Linux seems to read NTFS partitions fine, except that it's only
root-readable, even if I mount as a normal user.  I have a small FAT32
partition that I can use to transfer files, but that's going to be going
away soon, because I don't use XP much.

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[German Poo Caaman~o]

El mié, 06-03-2002 a las 15:59, Alex Malinovich escribió:
> [...]
> My desktop machine is currently running XP and Debian in a dual boot
> configuration with no problems (running Cygwin with XFree86 while in
> Windows to make it bearable). I am using the XP bootloader however, so
> if you're intending to try using LILO as your primary bootloader I don't
> know if it will work. As long as you stick with letting XP handle the
> MBR though, everything should work just fine. Good luck.

LILO works quite fine.  I didn't know that WinXP has a boot loader...
but isn't necessary ;-)

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Mark Janssen]

On Wed, 2002-03-06 at 19:39, Luis Mendes wrote:
> I am about to install Woody in my new Toshiba 1800-314 which came with
> a copy of WinXp Home Edition installed.
> anyone in this list tried it sucssefuly? One other related issue is
> that XP comes installed in a WIN32 filesystem but I can convert it to
> NTFS. Should I do this? will Linux be able to see my XP partition in 
> an NTFS filesystem.

That'll be a NTFS filesystem in a XP (DOS) partition.
Linux will see it just fine... and will allow you to mount FAT32 or NTFS
partitions (NT readonly)

I've used grub as bootloader, and it boots WINXP just fine (just like
any other MS-os...)

Lilo shouldn't have any problems with it either... bootloaders haven't
changed with XP (still the same from win95 :) )

Mark

Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Jeff]

Martin Hermanowski, 2002-Mar-06 20:22 +0100:
> 
> I got a pre-installed XPpro on my TP A30, it works well with woody. I
> can mount the NTFS XP-Partition (readonly), and XP can be started easily
> by lilo.

Yeah, I don't trust Linux to write to NTFS yet either, so I
created a small (500MB) FAT32 partition that I use to put files
from Linux that I want Windows to have access to.

NTFS is mounted ro and FAT is rw.  It works for me.

jc

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RE: Windows XP + Linux

[Sam Stern]

> -Original Message-
> From: Luis Mendes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

> 
> Hi, 
> 
> I am about to install Woody in my new Toshiba 1800-314 which came with
> a copy of WinXp Home Edition installed. In the past I had linux
> coexisting with different flavours of Windows (3.11, 95, 98) but never
> with XP. I am a bit worried because after a search I got conflicting
> views on how easy it is to get linux coexisting with XP. As
> anyone in this list tried it sucssefuly? One other related issue is
> that XP comes installed in a WIN32 filesystem but I can convert it to
> NTFS. Should I do this? will Linux be able to see my XP partition in 
> an NTFS filesystem. 
> 
> I looked in the archive for this list but it seems this topic was
> never raised.
> 
> I have a 15G unpartitioned disk.
> 
> Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> Luis
> 
> 

Hi Luis,

>From my own experience (on a 10GB HP 6000 and a 6 GB Dell Xi) the safest
and easiest method to use is this:

1) Partition the drive like so:

10-50 MB FAT-16 primary Partition (bootable) initialize with a spare Dos
7.x boot disk using fdisk /mbr and format /s. Leave the rest
un-Partitioned. Load up the contents of the Dos recovery disk so you
access the cd-rom as a boot disk/Automated restore if needed.

2) Partition and install XP into a second Primary slice/partition. Leave
space for Debian (which goes into the third and forth primary
partitions). If possible, forgo NTFS or increase the size of the Fat-16
partition (okay to go to Fat-32) so that you have a read/write transfer
partition. Later, you can mount the transfer partition as a logical
drive or add on directory in XP under your "My Documents"

3) Once installed, make certain to use Windows XP Backup to save a
recovery disk and write the local registry to a recovery directory. Go
to "Accessories"|"System Tools"|"Backup" and select "Automated System
Recovery". You may also want to place a System Restore point before
continuing. If you need a dos tool to save the mbr, look at fdisk2
(iirc) from:

www.fdisk.com


I still have fdisk2 laying around if you need it. 

4) Now install debian (with both Linux type 82 and 83 as needed -- you
can move ext2 to ext3 later with tun2fs -j). Use your favorite boot
manager. 

5) You now have a "safe" area (Fat-16 or Fat-32) to boot from that both
OS's can read from.

6) If you used the "transfer partition" option, remember that the opens
you up for some security issues if your laptop is ever compromised. You
might want to look into encrypting the transfer data using PGP/GPG and
disk wiping when not in use. Remember that NTFS/CFS/PGP SDA's are not
compatible across Linux/XP. Please note this is a SIGNIFICANT concern
for some -- please plan early on how you are going to accomplish sharing
data between the OS's and the impact on laptop security security
comprise might have on your plans. 


There are allot of other methods you can use, but this has always worked
for me (In 2K/XP at least ;> ). But then, my needs for data transfer
between partitions are met via PGP/GPG  archives very nicely. This
method requires considerable diligence to keep secure (and is thus
fallible, but the data I work with (that needs transferring across OS's
)is not that sensitive. You Mileage may vary.

HTH,

Sam Stern
Bethesda, MD, USA 

Re: Windows XP + Linux

[German Poo Caaman~o]

El mié, 06-03-2002 a las 15:39, Luis Mendes escribió:
> I am about to install Woody in my new Toshiba 1800-314 which came with
> a copy of WinXp Home Edition installed. In the past I had linux
> coexisting with different flavours of Windows (3.11, 95, 98) but never
> with XP. I am a bit worried because after a search I got conflicting
> views on how easy it is to get linux coexisting with XP. As
> anyone in this list tried it sucssefuly? One other related issue is
> that XP comes installed in a WIN32 filesystem but I can convert it to
> NTFS. Should I do this? will Linux be able to see my XP partition in 
> an NTFS filesystem. 

They works ok, like any other WinNT machine.  However, I haven't 
tryed to mount an NTFS partition from Linux, yet.  

The worst: I used Partition Magic 7 to resize the NTFS partition.
Its a commercial tool.  If you can convert it to FAT32, you can
do it.

AFAIK, the NTFS support on Linux always has been experimental
for reading, and very experimental for writing.

I had some problems with my installation, because the network
card hasn't support on kernel-2.2.20 and I like to install from
net :-)

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Alex Malinovich]

On Wed, 2002-03-06 at 12:39, Luis Mendes wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> I am about to install Woody in my new Toshiba 1800-314 which came with
> a copy of WinXp Home Edition installed. In the past I had linux
> coexisting with different flavours of Windows (3.11, 95, 98) but never
> with XP. I am a bit worried because after a search I got conflicting
> views on how easy it is to get linux coexisting with XP. As
> anyone in this list tried it sucssefuly? One other related issue is
> that XP comes installed in a WIN32 filesystem but I can convert it to
> NTFS. Should I do this? will Linux be able to see my XP partition in 
> an NTFS filesystem. 
> 
> I looked in the archive for this list but it seems this topic was
> never raised.
> 
> I have a 15G unpartitioned disk.
> 
> Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> Luis

Well, personally, I would call Toshiba, demand a refund for XP after
rejecting the license terms, and then proceed to put Debian on there.
HOWEVER, in regards to your questions:

Converting to NTFS would be good if you were going to spend a LOT of
time in Windows, however keep in mind that there's still no real
reliable way to WRITE to and NTFS partition. (Though you should be able
to read from it just fine.)

My desktop machine is currently running XP and Debian in a dual boot
configuration with no problems (running Cygwin with XFree86 while in
Windows to make it bearable). I am using the XP bootloader however, so
if you're intending to try using LILO as your primary bootloader I don't
know if it will work. As long as you stick with letting XP handle the
MBR though, everything should work just fine. Good luck.

-Alex


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RE : Windows XP + Linux

[Axel Minck]

Hi,

I have windows XP installed on my laptop with Woody.
I had no problem of coexistence.
Win XP is installed with NTFS file system and i have no problem to see
this NTFS partition from linux

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Brian Nelson]

Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Wed, 2002-03-06 at 12:39, Luis Mendes wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, 
> > 
> > I am about to install Woody in my new Toshiba 1800-314 which came with
> > a copy of WinXp Home Edition installed. In the past I had linux
> > coexisting with different flavours of Windows (3.11, 95, 98) but never
> > with XP. I am a bit worried because after a search I got conflicting
> > views on how easy it is to get linux coexisting with XP. As
> > anyone in this list tried it sucssefuly? One other related issue is
> > that XP comes installed in a WIN32 filesystem but I can convert it to
> > NTFS. Should I do this? will Linux be able to see my XP partition in 
> > an NTFS filesystem. 
> > 
> > I looked in the archive for this list but it seems this topic was
> > never raised.
> > 
> > I have a 15G unpartitioned disk.
> > 
> > Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.
> > 
> > Cheers, 
> > 
> > Luis
> 
> Well, personally, I would call Toshiba, demand a refund for XP after
> rejecting the license terms, and then proceed to put Debian on there.

I wouldn't do that, unless you don't mind having a laptop with no
power management support.  In my experience, most newer Toshibas have
problems with both APM and ACPI in linux.

> HOWEVER, in regards to your questions:
> 
> Converting to NTFS would be good if you were going to spend a LOT of
> time in Windows, however keep in mind that there's still no real
> reliable way to WRITE to and NTFS partition. (Though you should be able
> to read from it just fine.)
> 
> My desktop machine is currently running XP and Debian in a dual boot
> configuration with no problems (running Cygwin with XFree86 while in
> Windows to make it bearable). I am using the XP bootloader however, so
> if you're intending to try using LILO as your primary bootloader I don't
> know if it will work. As long as you stick with letting XP handle the
> MBR though, everything should work just fine. Good luck.

LILO works fine as well.  Just be wary that any time you install any
MS OS, it will clobber the MBR, thereby disabling LILO.  You'll need a
boot disk to re-enable it...

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Luis Mendes]

On 6 Mar 2002, Alex Malinovich wrote:

> Well, personally, I would call Toshiba, demand a refund for XP after
> rejecting the license terms, and then proceed to put Debian on there.
> HOWEVER, in regards to your questions:

That crossed my mind but there was a plastic wrapper covering he
laptop sealed with a sticker stating that by breaking the seal I was
accepting all the license terms for everything including the software.
This is probably illegal, but I need to use the laptop...

> 
> My desktop machine is currently running XP and Debian in a dual boot
> configuration with no problems (running Cygwin with XFree86 while in
> Windows to make it bearable). I am using the XP bootloader however, so
> if you're intending to try using LILO as your primary bootloader I don't
> know if it will work. As long as you stick with letting XP handle the
> MBR though, everything should work just fine. Good luck.

Other replies to the list seem to indicate that it shoudl also work
with LILO. Just in case, where is the XP bootloader located?

Luis

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Martin Hermanowski]

On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 06:39:03PM +, Luis Mendes wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> I am about to install Woody in my new Toshiba 1800-314 which came with
> a copy of WinXp Home Edition installed. In the past I had linux
> coexisting with different flavours of Windows (3.11, 95, 98) but never
> with XP. I am a bit worried because after a search I got conflicting
> views on how easy it is to get linux coexisting with XP. As
> anyone in this list tried it sucssefuly? One other related issue is
> that XP comes installed in a WIN32 filesystem but I can convert it to
> NTFS. Should I do this? will Linux be able to see my XP partition in 
> an NTFS filesystem. 

I got a pre-installed XPpro on my TP A30, it works well with woody. I
can mount the NTFS XP-Partition (readonly), and XP can be started easily
by lilo.

I didn't encounter any problems so far.

HTH
Martin

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[German Poo Caaman~o]

El mié, 06-03-2002 a las 15:59, Alex Malinovich escribió:
> [...]
> My desktop machine is currently running XP and Debian in a dual boot
> configuration with no problems (running Cygwin with XFree86 while in
> Windows to make it bearable). I am using the XP bootloader however, so
> if you're intending to try using LILO as your primary bootloader I don't
> know if it will work. As long as you stick with letting XP handle the
> MBR though, everything should work just fine. Good luck.

LILO works quite fine.  I didn't know that WinXP has a boot loader...
but isn't necessary ;-)

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Mark Janssen]

On Wed, 2002-03-06 at 19:39, Luis Mendes wrote:
> I am about to install Woody in my new Toshiba 1800-314 which came with
> a copy of WinXp Home Edition installed.
> anyone in this list tried it sucssefuly? One other related issue is
> that XP comes installed in a WIN32 filesystem but I can convert it to
> NTFS. Should I do this? will Linux be able to see my XP partition in 
> an NTFS filesystem.

That'll be a NTFS filesystem in a XP (DOS) partition.
Linux will see it just fine... and will allow you to mount FAT32 or NTFS
partitions (NT readonly)

I've used grub as bootloader, and it boots WINXP just fine (just like
any other MS-os...)

Lilo shouldn't have any problems with it either... bootloaders haven't
changed with XP (still the same from win95 :) )

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RE: Windows XP + Linux

[Sam Stern]

> -Original Message-
> From: Luis Mendes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 

> 
> Hi, 
> 
> I am about to install Woody in my new Toshiba 1800-314 which came with
> a copy of WinXp Home Edition installed. In the past I had linux
> coexisting with different flavours of Windows (3.11, 95, 98) but never
> with XP. I am a bit worried because after a search I got conflicting
> views on how easy it is to get linux coexisting with XP. As
> anyone in this list tried it sucssefuly? One other related issue is
> that XP comes installed in a WIN32 filesystem but I can convert it to
> NTFS. Should I do this? will Linux be able to see my XP partition in 
> an NTFS filesystem. 
> 
> I looked in the archive for this list but it seems this topic was
> never raised.
> 
> I have a 15G unpartitioned disk.
> 
> Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> Luis
> 
> 

Hi Luis,

>From my own experience (on a 10GB HP 6000 and a 6 GB Dell Xi) the safest
and easiest method to use is this:

1) Partition the drive like so:

10-50 MB FAT-16 primary Partition (bootable) initialize with a spare Dos
7.x boot disk using fdisk /mbr and format /s. Leave the rest
un-Partitioned. Load up the contents of the Dos recovery disk so you
access the cd-rom as a boot disk/Automated restore if needed.

2) Partition and install XP into a second Primary slice/partition. Leave
space for Debian (which goes into the third and forth primary
partitions). If possible, forgo NTFS or increase the size of the Fat-16
partition (okay to go to Fat-32) so that you have a read/write transfer
partition. Later, you can mount the transfer partition as a logical
drive or add on directory in XP under your "My Documents"

3) Once installed, make certain to use Windows XP Backup to save a
recovery disk and write the local registry to a recovery directory. Go
to "Accessories"|"System Tools"|"Backup" and select "Automated System
Recovery". You may also want to place a System Restore point before
continuing. If you need a dos tool to save the mbr, look at fdisk2
(iirc) from:

www.fdisk.com


I still have fdisk2 laying around if you need it. 

4) Now install debian (with both Linux type 82 and 83 as needed -- you
can move ext2 to ext3 later with tun2fs -j). Use your favorite boot
manager. 

5) You now have a "safe" area (Fat-16 or Fat-32) to boot from that both
OS's can read from.

6) If you used the "transfer partition" option, remember that the opens
you up for some security issues if your laptop is ever compromised. You
might want to look into encrypting the transfer data using PGP/GPG and
disk wiping when not in use. Remember that NTFS/CFS/PGP SDA's are not
compatible across Linux/XP. Please note this is a SIGNIFICANT concern
for some -- please plan early on how you are going to accomplish sharing
data between the OS's and the impact on laptop security security
comprise might have on your plans. 


There are allot of other methods you can use, but this has always worked
for me (In 2K/XP at least ;> ). But then, my needs for data transfer
between partitions are met via PGP/GPG  archives very nicely. This
method requires considerable diligence to keep secure (and is thus
fallible, but the data I work with (that needs transferring across OS's
)is not that sensitive. You Mileage may vary.

HTH,

Sam Stern
Bethesda, MD, USA 


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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[German Poo Caaman~o]

El mié, 06-03-2002 a las 15:39, Luis Mendes escribió:
> I am about to install Woody in my new Toshiba 1800-314 which came with
> a copy of WinXp Home Edition installed. In the past I had linux
> coexisting with different flavours of Windows (3.11, 95, 98) but never
> with XP. I am a bit worried because after a search I got conflicting
> views on how easy it is to get linux coexisting with XP. As
> anyone in this list tried it sucssefuly? One other related issue is
> that XP comes installed in a WIN32 filesystem but I can convert it to
> NTFS. Should I do this? will Linux be able to see my XP partition in 
> an NTFS filesystem. 

They works ok, like any other WinNT machine.  However, I haven't 
tryed to mount an NTFS partition from Linux, yet.  

The worst: I used Partition Magic 7 to resize the NTFS partition.
Its a commercial tool.  If you can convert it to FAT32, you can
do it.

AFAIK, the NTFS support on Linux always has been experimental
for reading, and very experimental for writing.

I had some problems with my installation, because the network
card hasn't support on kernel-2.2.20 and I like to install from
net :-)

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Re: Windows XP + Linux

[Alex Malinovich]

On Wed, 2002-03-06 at 12:39, Luis Mendes wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> I am about to install Woody in my new Toshiba 1800-314 which came with
> a copy of WinXp Home Edition installed. In the past I had linux
> coexisting with different flavours of Windows (3.11, 95, 98) but never
> with XP. I am a bit worried because after a search I got conflicting
> views on how easy it is to get linux coexisting with XP. As
> anyone in this list tried it sucssefuly? One other related issue is
> that XP comes installed in a WIN32 filesystem but I can convert it to
> NTFS. Should I do this? will Linux be able to see my XP partition in 
> an NTFS filesystem. 
> 
> I looked in the archive for this list but it seems this topic was
> never raised.
> 
> I have a 15G unpartitioned disk.
> 
> Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> Luis

Well, personally, I would call Toshiba, demand a refund for XP after
rejecting the license terms, and then proceed to put Debian on there.
HOWEVER, in regards to your questions:

Converting to NTFS would be good if you were going to spend a LOT of
time in Windows, however keep in mind that there's still no real
reliable way to WRITE to and NTFS partition. (Though you should be able
to read from it just fine.)

My desktop machine is currently running XP and Debian in a dual boot
configuration with no problems (running Cygwin with XFree86 while in
Windows to make it bearable). I am using the XP bootloader however, so
if you're intending to try using LILO as your primary bootloader I don't
know if it will work. As long as you stick with letting XP handle the
MBR though, everything should work just fine. Good luck.

-Alex



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RE : Windows XP + Linux

[Axel Minck]

Hi,

I have windows XP installed on my laptop with Woody.
I had no problem of coexistence.
Win XP is installed with NTFS file system and i have no problem to see
this NTFS partition from linux

Axel




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