Re: advice take two (but laptop specific)
On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 06:42:47PM -0700, Heather wrote: > I forgot to mention that from a laptop user's point of view, the windowmaker > dock has a huge number of "system watcher" style applets made for it. > Dialers, > battery monitors, cppu load checks are all the rage. There are some others > too, eg CD player gadgets. > > Many of such "dock apps" can be run without windowmaker happily, and have a > small size - in bits as well as screen estate. So if you have a Desktop > need, but not enough memory in an already full laptop for the big Desktops, > you can certainly make do with those. > > fvwm has an ability for a button panel which can also serve, and as my Magio > has a 9" screen, I do find that handy.But whichever one you pick, you > will do yourself a big favor if you install the package named 'menu' as > it will have debian automatically make the menus keep up with your installed > package list. > > * Heather Stern * star@ many places... > > I'd agree with the menu package recommendation, It's cool. You can still make modifications to your menus which debian will leave alone, Although I want to configure it to not add menu items of things only root can run. They are sort of pointless. -- Jim Richardson Anarchist, pagan and proud of it www.eskimo.com/~warlock Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
Re: advice take two (but laptop specific)
On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 06:42:47PM -0700, Heather wrote: > I forgot to mention that from a laptop user's point of view, the windowmaker > dock has a huge number of "system watcher" style applets made for it. Dialers, > battery monitors, cppu load checks are all the rage. There are some others > too, eg CD player gadgets. > > Many of such "dock apps" can be run without windowmaker happily, and have a > small size - in bits as well as screen estate. So if you have a Desktop > need, but not enough memory in an already full laptop for the big Desktops, > you can certainly make do with those. > > fvwm has an ability for a button panel which can also serve, and as my Magio > has a 9" screen, I do find that handy.But whichever one you pick, you > will do yourself a big favor if you install the package named 'menu' as > it will have debian automatically make the menus keep up with your installed > package list. > > * Heather Stern * star@ many places... > > I'd agree with the menu package recommendation, It's cool. You can still make modifications to your menus which debian will leave alone, Although I want to configure it to not add menu items of things only root can run. They are sort of pointless. -- Jim Richardson Anarchist, pagan and proud of it www.eskimo.com/~warlock Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: advice take two (but laptop specific)
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Re: advice take two (but laptop specific)
On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 06:38:43AM +1000, Serge Rey wrote: > i've been trying to play around with blackbox. very fast and light feel, > which i like. makes it perfect for a lappie. unfortunately i can't get > to the docs to read up on this as the web page is down. how does one > switch workspaces using keys? Ctrl-left arrow or Ctrl-right arrow will moveyou through the worspaces.
Re: advice take two (but laptop specific)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > "Mark" == Mark Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mark> I solve this irritating problem on my 800x600 display by setting Mark> the virtual display to 1024x768 in my XF86Config file: [...] I used to do that, but I found it more problematic than helpful. I have a system monitor (gkrellm) stuck to the side of my screen, but it didn't help that I could only see it half the time! I also found the scrolling around to be a bit disorienting. Now I find myself just maximizing most of my windows, and switching between them with Ctrl-Tab (which I've set sawfish up to do). One thing that I do find useful, though, is multiple desktops, which I think that almost all modern wm's support. (TWM is one exception that I know of, but whether or not it counts as a modern wm ...) - -- Hubert Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - http://www.geocities.com/hubertchan/ PGP/GnuPG key: 1024D/71FDA37F Fingerprint: 6CC5 822D 2E55 494C 81DD 6F2C 6518 54DF 71FD A37F Key available at wwwkeys.pgp.net. Please encrypt *all* e-mail to me. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7xihlZRhU33H9o38RAub5AJ4/Mp1pkNdTO6qCyy14dIQq0rexgwCff3MT mxO2WI1ClbDCN1Kd0Z0K+uo= =qBdm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: advice take two (but laptop specific)
On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 02:01:57AM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > interestingly enough, on the desktop i switch between icewm and > > windowmaker every few months (hey, linux is all about choice right). > > however, for the past 4 months i'm overseas and relying on my lappie for > > all my work. i find that i like windowmaker much more than icewm on the > > laptop. i think it has something to do with the relative size of the > > dock apps on the laptop versus the desktop, but this could just be a > > personal quirk of mine. > > > > not at all. in fact I maintain blackbox because I own a laptop running > 800x600. i've been trying to play around with blackbox. very fast and light feel, which i like. makes it perfect for a lappie. unfortunately i can't get to the docs to read up on this as the web page is down. how does one switch workspaces using keys? -- Sergio J. Rey http://typhoon.sdsu.edu/rey.html GPG fingerprint = 16DB 4934 E0F1 B386 AE81 D379 914C 33E5 F690 95DF "When in doubt, parenthesize. At the very least it will let some poor schmuck bounce on the % key in vi." - Larry Wall pgp0VB7t18wi9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: advice take two (but laptop specific)
On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 08:43:35AM -0700, Michael Perry wrote: -snip- > Definitely! I have a Latitude Ls system which does 800x600. Programs > on that system start out being a bit bit and moving down the top or > bottom of the display so the the thing I learned quick was which ones > seemed to be built for larger displays. One is acrobat reader. I > quickly learned about how to hit the "okay" button since it was below > the bottom of the screen. in the ~/.acrorc file make sure you change the following: *ShowUnixEula: true to *ShowUnixEula: true that will get rid of the license screen, and the need to deal with the okay button. i lost the page that listed this tip :( so i can't properly thank the author. maybe it was from this list? -- Sergio J. Rey http://typhoon.sdsu.edu/rey.html GPG fingerprint = 16DB 4934 E0F1 B386 AE81 D379 914C 33E5 F690 95DF A random variable is the soul of an observation... An observation is the birth of a random variable. - D.W. Watts pgpZa8GNeCLuE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: advice take two (but laptop specific)
On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 06:38:43AM +1000, Serge Rey wrote: > i've been trying to play around with blackbox. very fast and light feel, > which i like. makes it perfect for a lappie. unfortunately i can't get > to the docs to read up on this as the web page is down. how does one > switch workspaces using keys? Ctrl-left arrow or Ctrl-right arrow will moveyou through the worspaces. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: advice take two (but laptop specific)
On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 08:43:35AM -0700, Michael Perry wrote (snipped): > Definitely! I have a Latitude Ls system which does 800x600. Programs > on that system start out being a bit bit and moving down the top or > bottom of the display so the the thing I learned quick was which ones > seemed to be built for larger displays. One is acrobat reader. I > quickly learned about how to hit the "okay" button since it was below > the bottom of the screen. > I solve this irritating problem on my 800x600 display by setting the virtual display to 1024x768 in my XF86Config file: SubSection "Display" Depth 32 Modes "800x600" Virtual 1024 768 EndSubSection You can make it bigger than this, I think, but 1024x768 is just about right for my purposes. Works great under Blackbox and WindowMaker, the only two window managers I ever use.
Re: advice take two (but laptop specific)
On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 02:01:57AM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > interestingly enough, on the desktop i switch between icewm and > > windowmaker every few months (hey, linux is all about choice right). > > however, for the past 4 months i'm overseas and relying on my lappie for > > all my work. i find that i like windowmaker much more than icewm on the > > laptop. i think it has something to do with the relative size of the > > dock apps on the laptop versus the desktop, but this could just be a > > personal quirk of mine. > > > > not at all. in fact I maintain blackbox because I own a laptop running 800x600. i've been trying to play around with blackbox. very fast and light feel, which i like. makes it perfect for a lappie. unfortunately i can't get to the docs to read up on this as the web page is down. how does one switch workspaces using keys? -- Sergio J. Rey http://typhoon.sdsu.edu/rey.html GPG fingerprint = 16DB 4934 E0F1 B386 AE81 D379 914C 33E5 F690 95DF "When in doubt, parenthesize. At the very least it will let some poor schmuck bounce on the % key in vi." - Larry Wall msg05494/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: advice take two (but laptop specific)
On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 08:43:35AM -0700, Michael Perry wrote: -snip- > Definitely! I have a Latitude Ls system which does 800x600. Programs > on that system start out being a bit bit and moving down the top or > bottom of the display so the the thing I learned quick was which ones > seemed to be built for larger displays. One is acrobat reader. I > quickly learned about how to hit the "okay" button since it was below > the bottom of the screen. in the ~/.acrorc file make sure you change the following: *ShowUnixEula: true to *ShowUnixEula: true that will get rid of the license screen, and the need to deal with the okay button. i lost the page that listed this tip :( so i can't properly thank the author. maybe it was from this list? -- Sergio J. Rey http://typhoon.sdsu.edu/rey.html GPG fingerprint = 16DB 4934 E0F1 B386 AE81 D379 914C 33E5 F690 95DF A random variable is the soul of an observation... An observation is the birth of a random variable. - D.W. Watts msg05493/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: advice take two (but laptop specific)
Quoting Sean 'Shaleh' Perry on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 02:01:57AM -0700: > > interestingly enough, on the desktop i switch between icewm and > > windowmaker every few months (hey, linux is all about choice right). > > however, for the past 4 months i'm overseas and relying on my lappie for > > all my work. i find that i like windowmaker much more than icewm on the > > laptop. i think it has something to do with the relative size of the > > dock apps on the laptop versus the desktop, but this could just be a > > personal quirk of mine. > > > > not at all. in fact I maintain blackbox because I own a laptop running > 800x600. > > > -- Definitely! I have a Latitude Ls system which does 800x600. Programs on that system start out being a bit bit and moving down the top or bottom of the display so the the thing I learned quick was which ones seemed to be built for larger displays. One is acrobat reader. I quickly learned about how to hit the "okay" button since it was below the bottom of the screen. The other one I use on my Dell is Sawfish (gnomeless). -- Michael Perry | "Do or do not; there is no try" Master Yoda [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.lnxpowered.org
Re: advice take two (but laptop specific)
On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 08:43:35AM -0700, Michael Perry wrote (snipped): > Definitely! I have a Latitude Ls system which does 800x600. Programs > on that system start out being a bit bit and moving down the top or > bottom of the display so the the thing I learned quick was which ones > seemed to be built for larger displays. One is acrobat reader. I > quickly learned about how to hit the "okay" button since it was below > the bottom of the screen. > I solve this irritating problem on my 800x600 display by setting the virtual display to 1024x768 in my XF86Config file: SubSection "Display" Depth 32 Modes "800x600" Virtual 1024 768 EndSubSection You can make it bigger than this, I think, but 1024x768 is just about right for my purposes. Works great under Blackbox and WindowMaker, the only two window managers I ever use. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: advice take two (but laptop specific)
Quoting Sean 'Shaleh' Perry on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 02:01:57AM -0700: > > interestingly enough, on the desktop i switch between icewm and > > windowmaker every few months (hey, linux is all about choice right). > > however, for the past 4 months i'm overseas and relying on my lappie for > > all my work. i find that i like windowmaker much more than icewm on the > > laptop. i think it has something to do with the relative size of the > > dock apps on the laptop versus the desktop, but this could just be a > > personal quirk of mine. > > > > not at all. in fact I maintain blackbox because I own a laptop running 800x600. > > > -- Definitely! I have a Latitude Ls system which does 800x600. Programs on that system start out being a bit bit and moving down the top or bottom of the display so the the thing I learned quick was which ones seemed to be built for larger displays. One is acrobat reader. I quickly learned about how to hit the "okay" button since it was below the bottom of the screen. The other one I use on my Dell is Sawfish (gnomeless). -- Michael Perry | "Do or do not; there is no try" Master Yoda [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.lnxpowered.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: advice take two (but laptop specific)
> interestingly enough, on the desktop i switch between icewm and > windowmaker every few months (hey, linux is all about choice right). > however, for the past 4 months i'm overseas and relying on my lappie for > all my work. i find that i like windowmaker much more than icewm on the > laptop. i think it has something to do with the relative size of the > dock apps on the laptop versus the desktop, but this could just be a > personal quirk of mine. > not at all. in fact I maintain blackbox because I own a laptop running 800x600.
Re: advice take two (but laptop specific)
> interestingly enough, on the desktop i switch between icewm and > windowmaker every few months (hey, linux is all about choice right). > however, for the past 4 months i'm overseas and relying on my lappie for > all my work. i find that i like windowmaker much more than icewm on the > laptop. i think it has something to do with the relative size of the > dock apps on the laptop versus the desktop, but this could just be a > personal quirk of mine. > not at all. in fact I maintain blackbox because I own a laptop running 800x600. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: advice take two (but laptop specific)
On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 06:42:47PM -0700, Heather wrote: > I forgot to mention that from a laptop user's point of view, the windowmaker > dock has a huge number of "system watcher" style applets made for it. > Dialers, > battery monitors, cppu load checks are all the rage. There are some others > too, eg CD player gadgets. > > Many of such "dock apps" can be run without windowmaker happily, and have a > small size - in bits as well as screen estate. So if you have a Desktop > need, but not enough memory in an already full laptop for the big Desktops, > you can certainly make do with those. interestingly enough, on the desktop i switch between icewm and windowmaker every few months (hey, linux is all about choice right). however, for the past 4 months i'm overseas and relying on my lappie for all my work. i find that i like windowmaker much more than icewm on the laptop. i think it has something to do with the relative size of the dock apps on the laptop versus the desktop, but this could just be a personal quirk of mine. -- Sergio J. Rey http://typhoon.sdsu.edu/rey.html GPG fingerprint = 16DB 4934 E0F1 B386 AE81 D379 914C 33E5 F690 95DF BOF excuse no. 289: Interface between the keyboard and the chair. pgpVgha9Fq7AI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: advice take two (but laptop specific)
I forgot to mention that from a laptop user's point of view, the windowmaker dock has a huge number of "system watcher" style applets made for it. Dialers, battery monitors, cppu load checks are all the rage. There are some others too, eg CD player gadgets. Many of such "dock apps" can be run without windowmaker happily, and have a small size - in bits as well as screen estate. So if you have a Desktop need, but not enough memory in an already full laptop for the big Desktops, you can certainly make do with those. fvwm has an ability for a button panel which can also serve, and as my Magio has a 9" screen, I do find that handy.But whichever one you pick, you will do yourself a big favor if you install the package named 'menu' as it will have debian automatically make the menus keep up with your installed package list. * Heather Stern * star@ many places...
Re: advice take two (but laptop specific)
On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 06:42:47PM -0700, Heather wrote: > I forgot to mention that from a laptop user's point of view, the windowmaker > dock has a huge number of "system watcher" style applets made for it. Dialers, > battery monitors, cppu load checks are all the rage. There are some others > too, eg CD player gadgets. > > Many of such "dock apps" can be run without windowmaker happily, and have a > small size - in bits as well as screen estate. So if you have a Desktop > need, but not enough memory in an already full laptop for the big Desktops, > you can certainly make do with those. interestingly enough, on the desktop i switch between icewm and windowmaker every few months (hey, linux is all about choice right). however, for the past 4 months i'm overseas and relying on my lappie for all my work. i find that i like windowmaker much more than icewm on the laptop. i think it has something to do with the relative size of the dock apps on the laptop versus the desktop, but this could just be a personal quirk of mine. -- Sergio J. Rey http://typhoon.sdsu.edu/rey.html GPG fingerprint = 16DB 4934 E0F1 B386 AE81 D379 914C 33E5 F690 95DF BOF excuse no. 289: Interface between the keyboard and the chair. msg05471/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: advice take two (but laptop specific)
I forgot to mention that from a laptop user's point of view, the windowmaker dock has a huge number of "system watcher" style applets made for it. Dialers, battery monitors, cppu load checks are all the rage. There are some others too, eg CD player gadgets. Many of such "dock apps" can be run without windowmaker happily, and have a small size - in bits as well as screen estate. So if you have a Desktop need, but not enough memory in an already full laptop for the big Desktops, you can certainly make do with those. fvwm has an ability for a button panel which can also serve, and as my Magio has a 9" screen, I do find that handy.But whichever one you pick, you will do yourself a big favor if you install the package named 'menu' as it will have debian automatically make the menus keep up with your installed package list. * Heather Stern * star@ many places... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
