Re: experience with late model laptops?
On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 19:57, Xavier Maillard wrote: > Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Sat, 2003-08-09 at 12:17, Xavier Maillard wrote: > > > Yves Rutschle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:16:01PM +0100, Xavier Maillard wrote: > > > > > Macs ? Cute ? Don't think so. > > > > > > > > Troll :p > > > > > > No troll here just my personnal taste :) > > > > > > > The question isn't wheather Macs are cute or not, but > > > > whether cute is good or not. > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > > > > Well, they are certainly much prettier then any pc I know. As for > > Did you ever saw a sony VAIO such as the Z1 model ?? I don't think so > otherwise you wouldn't have said that. > The Sonys look nice I admit, although to my taste the powerbook g4 is much more elegent. On the other hand sony don't have a customer service worth s$%# what so ever, so I am not planning on touching another sony laptop anyway. Please forgive my language, but as far as Sony is concerned I fill that was talking politely. > > functionality, if you what you want is multimedia processing then > > that the way to go, and considering that OSX is now unix based its > > even better. As for a linux platform, it can be a little more > > difficult the a pc, but works quite well. For me it is a problem with > > the missing mouse buttons. > > I mainly use PC to develop. Personnaly, I'd rather use dedicated > materials to read/play audio and video :) Ok I have to admit I also > (sometimes) listen to music and things like that but my main interest > in computer science is development ;) > Well, I was talking about multimedia development (i.e editing, rendering etc.), and as far as after effects etc. goes, a mac is dedicated equipment, short of a smp silicon graphics, but that is going off topic I'm afraid. > One thing I will want if I buy a new laptop is to be able to make it > run under the GNU (a.k.a. GNU/Hurd). So I will try to help in > developing it to achieve this task. > > zeDek -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: experience with late model laptops?
Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 19:57, Xavier Maillard wrote: > > > > Did you ever saw a sony VAIO such as the Z1 model ?? I don't think > > so otherwise you wouldn't have said that. > > > > The Sonys look nice I admit, although to my taste the powerbook g4 is > much more elegent. On the other hand sony don't have a customer Still a matter of taste :) > service worth s$%# what so ever, so I am not planning on touching > another sony laptop anyway. Please forgive my language, but as far > as Sony is concerned I fill that was talking politely. According to few people I know, there are no problem with sony customer service. Maybe those guys were pretty lucky ? On the other hand, I(d rather not have to contact any customer service (good or bad customer service) :) What I want is a replacement to my now old dell laptop. > > > functionality, if you what you want is multimedia processing then > > > that the way to go, and considering that OSX is now unix based > > > its even better. As for a linux platform, it can be a little > > > more difficult the a pc, but works quite well. For me it is a > > > problem with the missing mouse buttons. > > > > I mainly use PC to develop. Personnaly, I'd rather use dedicated > > materials to read/play audio and video :) Ok I have to admit I also > > (sometimes) listen to music and things like that but my main > > interest in computer science is development ;) > > > > Well, I was talking about multimedia development (i.e editing, > rendering etc.), and as far as after effects etc. goes, a mac is > dedicated equipment, short of a smp silicon graphics, but that is > going off topic I'm afraid. I do develop multimedia project (I have been involved in videolan project e.g.) and I have at my disposal tons of machines at home (6 to be accurate) so for convenience, I prefer developing onto my laptop and do my tests onto other machines ;) Weird indeed ? :) zeDek -- "Sie werden lachen, ich kann überhaupt nicht lesen." Revisionist Manfred Koch erlaeutert die Probleme der Ewiggestrigen in dsp* pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: experience with late model laptops?
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 07:41, Micha Feigin wrote: > From personal experience and quite a few people I work with, IBM seem to > be a good option. When in Ottawa my Thinkpad started dieing from over-heat (the cooling fan was not working properly. Also the screen was dull (for unknown reasons - but the huge number of scratches was definately a contributing factor), and the tops of most keys had worn off from excessive typing (my key-tops start wearing off within 2 months of laptop purchase). I sent my 2.9yo Thinkpad in for warantee repair and got a new motherboard, BIOS, keyboard, and display. The only working parts of the machine that weren't replaced were the floppy drive and the RAM. The inside parts of the case were also replaced with the keyboard and display. I essentially received a new Thinkpad. I am very pleased with getting a laptop that was so worn replaced at no cost in less than a week. I'm sure that those of you who know what my laptops get subjected to will be equally impressed. Also they did not want to see my receipt as the serial number proved the date of manufacture (handy as I bought the Thinkpad over the Internet) and were happy to service a machine with the hard drive removed (no way am I letting them touch my data). When your new laptop becomes an old laptop this is the sort of support you want. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: experience with late model laptops?
On Friday 08 August 2003 14:11, Russell Coker wrote: > I am under the impression that there are slight variations between > countries on the permitted frequencies for in the range that 802.11 uses. > So 802.11 devices sold in different countries have different capabilities. > Maybe Intel wants to sell different device drivers for different countries > to deal with this (and not make a device driver that can do all frequency > ranges). \o/ Yeah \o/ cool \o/ If i buy a centrino laptop in my country and go to a conference in a foreign country, I can't use WiFi ! \o/ Yeah \o/ -- "I have sampled every language, french is my favorite. Fantastic language, especially to curse with. Nom de dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperie de connard d'enculé de ta mère. It's like wiping your ass with silk! I love it." -- The Merovingian, in the Matrix Reloaded -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: experience with late model laptops?
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:16:01PM +0100, Xavier Maillard wrote: > Macs ? Cute ? Don't think so. Troll :p The question isn't wheather Macs are cute or not, but whether cute is good or not. > My taste for a new notebook are these: centrino, HDD of 40Go (minimum), > 256Mo of RAM, good Linux support, good tech team, less than 3000¤. I have nothing to say about support, however Intel's behaviour about Linux support on the Centrino would deter me from buying from them (especially buying "specifically that particular unsupported" architecture), see Werner's recent post on the state of the onion: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2003/debian-laptop-200308/msg00041.html I'm still at a loss as why manufacturers want to make their specifications secret... It's like selling a toaster and not telling you what buttons to use to toast bread. /Y - what was the best thing before sliced bread? -- This signature left empty. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: experience with late model laptops?
Hi Charlie (and the rest), I have installed Debian (a mix of unstable/testing) via Knoppix 3.2 on my (university's) Acer Travelmate 803 LCi (Pentium M 1600 MHz, ATI Radeon 9000 Mobility, 512 MB RAM, 40 GB HD CD-RW, DVD,) and it runs OK. Kernel 2.4.21 patched with laptop patch: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/laptopkernel/ plus: -Battery life is very good (~ 4 hours) -Fan almost never comes on (when CPU frequency is reduced to 1200 MHz) -Video adapter support via radeon driver works very well (3D functionality not tested, but DRI driver reports no problems) -LAN interface Broadcom 4401 working w/o any problems -Sound works fine (but do not ask me why, it just does :-) -Synaptics touchpad with excellent support (multi-finger control, slide bars..., use synaptic driver) minus: -ACPI runs only rudimentary (swsusp does not work, klaptop does not work well with ACPI, tried sleepd: no success, poweroff works) -WLAN not supported whatsoever (Intel Pro/Wireless LAN 2100 3B MiniPCI) -Softmodem not working (Agere Systems AC'97) do not know/not tested: -PCMCIA card -USB -Firewire -IR Maybe that gives you an idea? Greetings, Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: experience with late model laptops?
On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 11:10, Yves Rutschle wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:16:01PM +0100, Xavier Maillard wrote: > > Macs ? Cute ? Don't think so. > > Troll :p > > The question isn't wheather Macs are cute or not, but > whether cute is good or not. > > > My taste for a new notebook are these: centrino, HDD of 40Go (minimum), > > 256Mo of RAM, good Linux support, good tech team, less than 3000¤. > > I have nothing to say about support, however Intel's > behaviour about Linux support on the Centrino would deter me > from buying from them (especially buying "specifically that > particular unsupported" architecture), see Werner's recent > post on the state of the onion: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2003/debian-laptop-200308/msg00041.html > > I'm still at a loss as why manufacturers want to make their > specifications secret... It's like selling a toaster and not > telling you what buttons to use to toast bread. I'm guessing that in this case its either M$ fault or that they're afraid you're going to find out that they have put things in there that you don't want, like the serial number in the PIII ;) > > /Y - what was the best thing before sliced bread? > > -- > This signature left empty. > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: experience with late model laptops?
On Sunday 10 August 2003 11:25, Micha Feigin wrote: > Well, they are certainly much prettier then any pc I know. > As for functionality, if you what you want is multimedia processing then > that the way to go, and considering that OSX is now unix based its even > better. > As for a linux platform, it can be a little more difficult the a pc, but > works quite well. For me it is a problem with the missing mouse buttons. And the ridiculous screen resolutions... 1280x854 on a 15" LCD is way too small resolution for such screen size. Descent resolution on a 15" begins with SXGA (1400x1050)... -- "I have sampled every language, french is my favorite. Fantastic language, especially to curse with. Nom de dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperie de connard d'enculé de ta mère. It's like wiping your ass with silk! I love it." -- The Merovingian, in the Matrix Reloaded -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: experience with late model laptops?
Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 19:57, Xavier Maillard wrote: > > > > Did you ever saw a sony VAIO such as the Z1 model ?? I don't think > > so otherwise you wouldn't have said that. > > > > The Sonys look nice I admit, although to my taste the powerbook g4 is > much more elegent. On the other hand sony don't have a customer Still a matter of taste :) > service worth s$%# what so ever, so I am not planning on touching > another sony laptop anyway. Please forgive my language, but as far > as Sony is concerned I fill that was talking politely. According to few people I know, there are no problem with sony customer service. Maybe those guys were pretty lucky ? On the other hand, I(d rather not have to contact any customer service (good or bad customer service) :) What I want is a replacement to my now old dell laptop. > > > functionality, if you what you want is multimedia processing then > > > that the way to go, and considering that OSX is now unix based > > > its even better. As for a linux platform, it can be a little > > > more difficult the a pc, but works quite well. For me it is a > > > problem with the missing mouse buttons. > > > > I mainly use PC to develop. Personnaly, I'd rather use dedicated > > materials to read/play audio and video :) Ok I have to admit I also > > (sometimes) listen to music and things like that but my main > > interest in computer science is development ;) > > > > Well, I was talking about multimedia development (i.e editing, > rendering etc.), and as far as after effects etc. goes, a mac is > dedicated equipment, short of a smp silicon graphics, but that is > going off topic I'm afraid. I do develop multimedia project (I have been involved in videolan project e.g.) and I have at my disposal tons of machines at home (6 to be accurate) so for convenience, I prefer developing onto my laptop and do my tests onto other machines ;) Weird indeed ? :) zeDek -- "Sie werden lachen, ich kann überhaupt nicht lesen." Revisionist Manfred Koch erlaeutert die Probleme der Ewiggestrigen in dsp* pgpNFtGDwv58K.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: experience with late model laptops?
On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 19:57, Xavier Maillard wrote: > Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Sat, 2003-08-09 at 12:17, Xavier Maillard wrote: > > > Yves Rutschle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:16:01PM +0100, Xavier Maillard wrote: > > > > > Macs ? Cute ? Don't think so. > > > > > > > > Troll :p > > > > > > No troll here just my personnal taste :) > > > > > > > The question isn't wheather Macs are cute or not, but > > > > whether cute is good or not. > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > > > > Well, they are certainly much prettier then any pc I know. As for > > Did you ever saw a sony VAIO such as the Z1 model ?? I don't think so > otherwise you wouldn't have said that. > The Sonys look nice I admit, although to my taste the powerbook g4 is much more elegent. On the other hand sony don't have a customer service worth s$%# what so ever, so I am not planning on touching another sony laptop anyway. Please forgive my language, but as far as Sony is concerned I fill that was talking politely. > > functionality, if you what you want is multimedia processing then > > that the way to go, and considering that OSX is now unix based its > > even better. As for a linux platform, it can be a little more > > difficult the a pc, but works quite well. For me it is a problem with > > the missing mouse buttons. > > I mainly use PC to develop. Personnaly, I'd rather use dedicated > materials to read/play audio and video :) Ok I have to admit I also > (sometimes) listen to music and things like that but my main interest > in computer science is development ;) > Well, I was talking about multimedia development (i.e editing, rendering etc.), and as far as after effects etc. goes, a mac is dedicated equipment, short of a smp silicon graphics, but that is going off topic I'm afraid. > One thing I will want if I buy a new laptop is to be able to make it > run under the GNU (a.k.a. GNU/Hurd). So I will try to help in > developing it to achieve this task. > > zeDek
Re: experience with late model laptops?
Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On Sat, 2003-08-09 at 12:17, Xavier Maillard wrote: > > Yves Rutschle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:16:01PM +0100, Xavier Maillard wrote: > > > > Macs ? Cute ? Don't think so. > > > > > > Troll :p > > > > No troll here just my personnal taste :) > > > > > The question isn't wheather Macs are cute or not, but > > > whether cute is good or not. > > > > Indeed. > > > > Well, they are certainly much prettier then any pc I know. As for Did you ever saw a sony VAIO such as the Z1 model ?? I don't think so otherwise you wouldn't have said that. > functionality, if you what you want is multimedia processing then > that the way to go, and considering that OSX is now unix based its > even better. As for a linux platform, it can be a little more > difficult the a pc, but works quite well. For me it is a problem with > the missing mouse buttons. I mainly use PC to develop. Personnaly, I'd rather use dedicated materials to read/play audio and video :) Ok I have to admit I also (sometimes) listen to music and things like that but my main interest in computer science is development ;) One thing I will want if I buy a new laptop is to be able to make it run under the GNU (a.k.a. GNU/Hurd). So I will try to help in developing it to achieve this task. zeDek -- Ever notice how fast Windows runs? Neither did I. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: experience with late model laptops?
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:42, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> several manufacturers have expressed concerns over giving out details of
> their 802.11{b,g,??} chips. The explanation given is that users could try
> to pervert the frequencies or power output of the cards for nefarious
> purposes.
I am under the impression that there are slight variations between countries
on the permitted frequencies for in the range that 802.11 uses. So 802.11
devices sold in different countries have different capabilities. Maybe Intel
wants to sell different device drivers for different countries to deal with
this (and not make a device driver that can do all frequency ranges). This
would be much easier than modifying the hardware as vendors otherwise have to
do. At one time Thinkpads sold in Australia had the modem tracks cut on the
PCB to comply with the Australian telecoms laws being different from those of
other countries. It would have been cheaper for IBM if they could have done
this in software (and better for us too as software is easier to reverse ;).
I know some people who have achieved good benefits from transmitting 802.11 at
higher power than allowed, if the Centrino chipset allows increasing the
power through changing registers then those people would surely like to know
how...
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Re: experience with late model laptops?
Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On Sat, 2003-08-09 at 12:17, Xavier Maillard wrote: > > Yves Rutschle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:16:01PM +0100, Xavier Maillard wrote: > > > > Macs ? Cute ? Don't think so. > > > > > > Troll :p > > > > No troll here just my personnal taste :) > > > > > The question isn't wheather Macs are cute or not, but > > > whether cute is good or not. > > > > Indeed. > > > > Well, they are certainly much prettier then any pc I know. As for Did you ever saw a sony VAIO such as the Z1 model ?? I don't think so otherwise you wouldn't have said that. > functionality, if you what you want is multimedia processing then > that the way to go, and considering that OSX is now unix based its > even better. As for a linux platform, it can be a little more > difficult the a pc, but works quite well. For me it is a problem with > the missing mouse buttons. I mainly use PC to develop. Personnaly, I'd rather use dedicated materials to read/play audio and video :) Ok I have to admit I also (sometimes) listen to music and things like that but my main interest in computer science is development ;) One thing I will want if I buy a new laptop is to be able to make it run under the GNU (a.k.a. GNU/Hurd). So I will try to help in developing it to achieve this task. zeDek -- Ever notice how fast Windows runs? Neither did I. pgpzagm5YEbWv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: experience with late model laptops?
On Sunday 10 August 2003 11:25, Micha Feigin wrote: > Well, they are certainly much prettier then any pc I know. > As for functionality, if you what you want is multimedia processing then > that the way to go, and considering that OSX is now unix based its even > better. > As for a linux platform, it can be a little more difficult the a pc, but > works quite well. For me it is a problem with the missing mouse buttons. And the ridiculous screen resolutions... 1280x854 on a 15" LCD is way too small resolution for such screen size. Descent resolution on a 15" begins with SXGA (1400x1050)... -- "I have sampled every language, french is my favorite. Fantastic language, especially to curse with. Nom de dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperie de connard d'enculé de ta mère. It's like wiping your ass with silk! I love it." -- The Merovingian, in the Matrix Reloaded
Re: experience with late model laptops?
On Sat, 2003-08-09 at 12:17, Xavier Maillard wrote: > Yves Rutschle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:16:01PM +0100, Xavier Maillard wrote: > > > Macs ? Cute ? Don't think so. > > > > Troll :p > > No troll here just my personnal taste :) > > > The question isn't wheather Macs are cute or not, but > > whether cute is good or not. > > Indeed. > Well, they are certainly much prettier then any pc I know. As for functionality, if you what you want is multimedia processing then that the way to go, and considering that OSX is now unix based its even better. As for a linux platform, it can be a little more difficult the a pc, but works quite well. For me it is a problem with the missing mouse buttons. > zeDek
Re: experience with late model laptops?
On Sat, 2003-08-09 at 12:17, Xavier Maillard wrote: > Yves Rutschle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:16:01PM +0100, Xavier Maillard wrote: > > > Macs ? Cute ? Don't think so. > > > > Troll :p > > No troll here just my personnal taste :) > > > The question isn't wheather Macs are cute or not, but > > whether cute is good or not. > > Indeed. > Well, they are certainly much prettier then any pc I know. As for functionality, if you what you want is multimedia processing then that the way to go, and considering that OSX is now unix based its even better. As for a linux platform, it can be a little more difficult the a pc, but works quite well. For me it is a problem with the missing mouse buttons. > zeDek -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yves Rutschle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:16:01PM +0100, Xavier Maillard wrote: > > Macs ? Cute ? Don't think so. > > Troll :p No troll here just my personnal taste :) > The question isn't wheather Macs are cute or not, but > whether cute is good or not. Indeed. zeDek -- "Nicht faehig zu einer sachlichen Diskussion ? Hattest Du was anders erwartet?" Horst Kleinsorg zeigt in dsp* Ansaetze von Selbsterkenntnis... pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: experience with late model laptops?
Yves Rutschle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:16:01PM +0100, Xavier Maillard wrote: > > Macs ? Cute ? Don't think so. > > Troll :p No troll here just my personnal taste :) > The question isn't wheather Macs are cute or not, but > whether cute is good or not. Indeed. zeDek -- "Nicht faehig zu einer sachlichen Diskussion ? Hattest Du was anders erwartet?" Horst Kleinsorg zeigt in dsp* Ansaetze von Selbsterkenntnis... pgp2kWwEHoQNJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: experience with late model laptops?
>
> I'm still at a loss as why manufacturers want to make their
> specifications secret... It's like selling a toaster and not
> telling you what buttons to use to toast bread.
>
several manufacturers have expressed concerns over giving out details of their
802.11{b,g,??} chips. The explanation given is that users could try to
pervert the frequencies or power output of the cards for nefarious purposes.
Plus, playing cold to Linux probably gives them credit with Microsoft.
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On Friday 08 August 2003 14:11, Russell Coker wrote: > I am under the impression that there are slight variations between > countries on the permitted frequencies for in the range that 802.11 uses. > So 802.11 devices sold in different countries have different capabilities. > Maybe Intel wants to sell different device drivers for different countries > to deal with this (and not make a device driver that can do all frequency > ranges). \o/ Yeah \o/ cool \o/ If i buy a centrino laptop in my country and go to a conference in a foreign country, I can't use WiFi ! \o/ Yeah \o/ -- "I have sampled every language, french is my favorite. Fantastic language, especially to curse with. Nom de dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperie de connard d'enculé de ta mère. It's like wiping your ass with silk! I love it." -- The Merovingian, in the Matrix Reloaded
Re: experience with late model laptops?
On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 11:10, Yves Rutschle wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:16:01PM +0100, Xavier Maillard wrote: > > Macs ? Cute ? Don't think so. > > Troll :p > > The question isn't wheather Macs are cute or not, but > whether cute is good or not. > > > My taste for a new notebook are these: centrino, HDD of 40Go (minimum), > > 256Mo of RAM, good Linux support, good tech team, less than 3000€. > > I have nothing to say about support, however Intel's > behaviour about Linux support on the Centrino would deter me > from buying from them (especially buying "specifically that > particular unsupported" architecture), see Werner's recent > post on the state of the onion: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2003/debian-laptop-200308/msg00041.html > > I'm still at a loss as why manufacturers want to make their > specifications secret... It's like selling a toaster and not > telling you what buttons to use to toast bread. I'm guessing that in this case its either M$ fault or that they're afraid you're going to find out that they have put things in there that you don't want, like the serial number in the PIII ;) > > /Y - what was the best thing before sliced bread? > > -- > This signature left empty. >
Re: experience with late model laptops?
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:42, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> several manufacturers have expressed concerns over giving out details of
> their 802.11{b,g,??} chips. The explanation given is that users could try
> to pervert the frequencies or power output of the cards for nefarious
> purposes.
I am under the impression that there are slight variations between countries
on the permitted frequencies for in the range that 802.11 uses. So 802.11
devices sold in different countries have different capabilities. Maybe Intel
wants to sell different device drivers for different countries to deal with
this (and not make a device driver that can do all frequency ranges). This
would be much easier than modifying the hardware as vendors otherwise have to
do. At one time Thinkpads sold in Australia had the modem tracks cut on the
PCB to comply with the Australian telecoms laws being different from those of
other countries. It would have been cheaper for IBM if they could have done
this in software (and better for us too as software is easier to reverse ;).
I know some people who have achieved good benefits from transmitting 802.11 at
higher power than allowed, if the Centrino chipset allows increasing the
power through changing registers then those people would surely like to know
how...
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http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark
http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
Re: experience with late model laptops?
>
> I'm still at a loss as why manufacturers want to make their
> specifications secret... It's like selling a toaster and not
> telling you what buttons to use to toast bread.
>
several manufacturers have expressed concerns over giving out details of their
802.11{b,g,??} chips. The explanation given is that users could try to
pervert the frequencies or power output of the cards for nefarious purposes.
Plus, playing cold to Linux probably gives them credit with Microsoft.
Re: experience with late model laptops?
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:16:01PM +0100, Xavier Maillard wrote: > Macs ? Cute ? Don't think so. Troll :p The question isn't wheather Macs are cute or not, but whether cute is good or not. > My taste for a new notebook are these: centrino, HDD of 40Go (minimum), > 256Mo of RAM, good Linux support, good tech team, less than 3000€. I have nothing to say about support, however Intel's behaviour about Linux support on the Centrino would deter me from buying from them (especially buying "specifically that particular unsupported" architecture), see Werner's recent post on the state of the onion: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2003/debian-laptop-200308/msg00041.html I'm still at a loss as why manufacturers want to make their specifications secret... It's like selling a toaster and not telling you what buttons to use to toast bread. /Y - what was the best thing before sliced bread? -- This signature left empty.
Re: experience with late model laptops?
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 07:41, Micha Feigin wrote: > From personal experience and quite a few people I work with, IBM seem to > be a good option. When in Ottawa my Thinkpad started dieing from over-heat (the cooling fan was not working properly. Also the screen was dull (for unknown reasons - but the huge number of scratches was definately a contributing factor), and the tops of most keys had worn off from excessive typing (my key-tops start wearing off within 2 months of laptop purchase). I sent my 2.9yo Thinkpad in for warantee repair and got a new motherboard, BIOS, keyboard, and display. The only working parts of the machine that weren't replaced were the floppy drive and the RAM. The inside parts of the case were also replaced with the keyboard and display. I essentially received a new Thinkpad. I am very pleased with getting a laptop that was so worn replaced at no cost in less than a week. I'm sure that those of you who know what my laptops get subjected to will be equally impressed. Also they did not want to see my receipt as the serial number proved the date of manufacture (handy as I bought the Thinkpad over the Internet) and were happy to service a machine with the hard drive removed (no way am I letting them touch my data). When your new laptop becomes an old laptop this is the sort of support you want. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
RE: experience with late model laptops?
My experience with sonys, is that they are relatively pretty (not anywhere near macs though >;) ), but the battery life isn't very good. Most stuff usually works with linux, although tends to be eratic and they have no official support (once had a hardware problem, mentioned by mistake that the exact details were found under linux since I didn't have the tools under XP and got the imidiate reply that linux isn't supported and they didn't even bother with the rest of the email). On the other hand, their support is non existent. Their support team can't answear an email properly, apart from the template ansear, with less then three repost and some harsh language, and then they tell you to call in since they can't solve they problem over email, no matter how simple. Then they tell you to send in the laptop for repair, do a poor job, and do their best to avoid the warranty. They charged me 250$ for what should have been warranty work last time, and nobody could give an answear worth anything when I tried to inquire about it. I have very good experience with IBMs though, although they are not as pretty, and not the cheapest option. On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 02:29, Provost, Stephane wrote: > I've read user comments about this laptop and... the battery life sucks, > it's slow and badly designed, although very pretty. Bottom line was: > expensive, pretty, but you won't get the best bank for the bucks. > > I don't know where I read those, I think I used google. > > HTH. > > --S. > > -Original Message- > From: Xavier Maillard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:14 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: experience with late model laptops? > > > > What about a PCG-Z1SP sony model ? This is what I am planning to buy in a > few months (2-3). Does anybody have feedback for this model ? > > Thx, > > XM > > On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:50:25 -0400 > Luc Lefebvre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm also looking into either Toshiba, Dell, or Apple, to run unstable. > The main purpose of the machine will be to run comedi > and burn CDs for data archiving. I have experience running Debian potato > and Woody . I have been scouring the > tuxmobil.org website and there is one account of an > install on a Tecra S1. I was looking at the Satellite Pro 6100 > . You will > also find some good links related to Toshiba at the bottom of the > tuxmobil.org/toshiba.html page. The same would apply for Dell at the Inspirion 8500 and the Latitude D800, I emailed them some days ago and am still waiting for a response, must say this is wearing > at my enthousiasm for Dell...>. > > > > It would also appear that the Apple hardware is pretty well supported > now where I've read enough to not know what I want anymore... > > > > *^\ > > > > Opinions and esp. advice welcome, > > > > cheers > > > > On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 12:41:21PM -0400, charlie derr wrote: > > > I'm about to purchase a new laptop and wondered if anyone > > > has had any specific success/failures with either of the following: > > > > > > Toshiba Tecra S1 > > > 1.4GHz Mobile Intel Pentium M processor w/Centrino, 1GB RAM, > > > 60GB hard drive, CD-RW/DVD-ROM, 56K, 10/100 Ethernet, > > > Intel WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro and a 15" UXGA active-matrix display > > > Graphics Processor Vendor > > > ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9000 > > > > > > Sony VAIO GRT100 > > > 2.5GHz Mobile Intel Pentium 4 processor-M, 512MB, > > > 60GB hard drive, 24X10X24 CD-RW/8X DVD-ROM, 56K, > > > 10/100 Ethernet, WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro > > > and a 15" XGA active-matrix display > > > Graphics Processor Vendor > > > NVidia GeForce4 420 Go > > > > > > > > > I don't particularly care about the modem or the wireless, > > > and I'll probably run sid (unstable) on it, but I was hoping > > > to get a bit of feedback if there's someone willing to share. > > > > > >thanks so very much in advance, > > > ~c > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -- > > Luc Lefebvre > > > > In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, > > in the expert's mind there are few. > > > > Key fingerprint = D2E5 5E35 B910 6F4E 0242 EC63 0FD9 96D0 C7F4 784E > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: experience with late model laptops?
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 08:44, Xavier Maillard wrote: > Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > My experience with sonys, is that they are relatively pretty (not > > anywhere near macs though >;) ), but the battery life isn't very > > Macs ? Cute ? Don't think so. > > > good. Most stuff usually works with linux, although tends to be > > eratic and they have no official support (once had a hardware > > problem, mentioned by mistake that the exact details were found under > > linux since I didn't have the tools under XP and got the imidiate > > reply that linux isn't supported and they didn't even bother with the > > rest of the email). On the other hand, their support is non > > existent. Their support team can't answear an email properly, apart > > from the template ansear, with less then three repost and some harsh > > language, and then they tell you to call in since they can't solve > > they problem over email, no matter how simple. Then they tell you to > > send in the laptop for repair, do a poor job, and do their best to > > avoid the warranty. They charged me 250$ for what should have been > > warranty work last time, and nobody could give an answear worth > > anything when I tried to inquire about it. I have very good > > experience with IBMs though, although they are not as pretty, and not > > the cheapest option. > > This related story doesn't encourage me in buying my VAIO Z1 ! I plan > to buy one but if all you said is correct, I can't imagine buy somthing > about 3000€ here if I can't be sure the tech team is correct. > > So what would you recommend other than Sony with a good Linux support > preferably a centrino based technology and with a good tech team ? > > My taste for a new notebook are these: centrino, HDD of 40Go (minimum), > 256Mo of RAM, good Linux support, good tech team, less than 3000€. > > Thanx, > > zeDek >From personal experience and quite a few people I work with, IBM seem to be a good option. I don't have personal experience with other brands, since all the people I know use IBM. As for centrino iirc it still has some problems under linux, at list with wifi. You could get away with the sony if you get store warraty (that is, you don't have to deal with tech support yourself) or even better, if you don't run into problems with it. Mine burnt a cpu after 2 weeks though, so ... You could try testing the quality of support for the different brands by making up a problem and call them for assistance. It would help if you get a serial number to give them just in case if they want. Doesn't have to be for the model you are interested, just some laptop from the right manufacturer. That story is only my experience, but I know of more. Don't know about sony in UK (guessing from the currency), but heard from quite a few people having trouble with sony US, and sony Italy, and a company I worked with that had to pull quite a few strings to get a reply from Sony France.
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On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 08:44, Xavier Maillard wrote: > Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > My experience with sonys, is that they are relatively pretty (not > > anywhere near macs though >;) ), but the battery life isn't very > > Macs ? Cute ? Don't think so. > > > good. Most stuff usually works with linux, although tends to be > > eratic and they have no official support (once had a hardware > > problem, mentioned by mistake that the exact details were found under > > linux since I didn't have the tools under XP and got the imidiate > > reply that linux isn't supported and they didn't even bother with the > > rest of the email). On the other hand, their support is non > > existent. Their support team can't answear an email properly, apart > > from the template ansear, with less then three repost and some harsh > > language, and then they tell you to call in since they can't solve > > they problem over email, no matter how simple. Then they tell you to > > send in the laptop for repair, do a poor job, and do their best to > > avoid the warranty. They charged me 250$ for what should have been > > warranty work last time, and nobody could give an answear worth > > anything when I tried to inquire about it. I have very good > > experience with IBMs though, although they are not as pretty, and not > > the cheapest option. > > This related story doesn't encourage me in buying my VAIO Z1 ! I plan > to buy one but if all you said is correct, I can't imagine buy somthing > about 3000¤ here if I can't be sure the tech team is correct. > > So what would you recommend other than Sony with a good Linux support > preferably a centrino based technology and with a good tech team ? > > My taste for a new notebook are these: centrino, HDD of 40Go (minimum), > 256Mo of RAM, good Linux support, good tech team, less than 3000¤. > > Thanx, > > zeDek >From personal experience and quite a few people I work with, IBM seem to be a good option. I don't have personal experience with other brands, since all the people I know use IBM. As for centrino iirc it still has some problems under linux, at list with wifi. You could get away with the sony if you get store warraty (that is, you don't have to deal with tech support yourself) or even better, if you don't run into problems with it. Mine burnt a cpu after 2 weeks though, so ... You could try testing the quality of support for the different brands by making up a problem and call them for assistance. It would help if you get a serial number to give them just in case if they want. Doesn't have to be for the model you are interested, just some laptop from the right manufacturer. That story is only my experience, but I know of more. Don't know about sony in UK (guessing from the currency), but heard from quite a few people having trouble with sony US, and sony Italy, and a company I worked with that had to pull quite a few strings to get a reply from Sony France. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My experience with sonys, is that they are relatively pretty (not > anywhere near macs though >;) ), but the battery life isn't very Macs ? Cute ? Don't think so. > good. Most stuff usually works with linux, although tends to be > eratic and they have no official support (once had a hardware > problem, mentioned by mistake that the exact details were found under > linux since I didn't have the tools under XP and got the imidiate > reply that linux isn't supported and they didn't even bother with the > rest of the email). On the other hand, their support is non > existent. Their support team can't answear an email properly, apart > from the template ansear, with less then three repost and some harsh > language, and then they tell you to call in since they can't solve > they problem over email, no matter how simple. Then they tell you to > send in the laptop for repair, do a poor job, and do their best to > avoid the warranty. They charged me 250$ for what should have been > warranty work last time, and nobody could give an answear worth > anything when I tried to inquire about it. I have very good > experience with IBMs though, although they are not as pretty, and not > the cheapest option. This related story doesn't encourage me in buying my VAIO Z1 ! I plan to buy one but if all you said is correct, I can't imagine buy somthing about 3000€ here if I can't be sure the tech team is correct. So what would you recommend other than Sony with a good Linux support preferably a centrino based technology and with a good tech team ? My taste for a new notebook are these: centrino, HDD of 40Go (minimum), 256Mo of RAM, good Linux support, good tech team, less than 3000€. Thanx, zeDek -- "Was kann schon auf dem harten Boden der Tatsachen gedeihen" (Lec) pgpTqs439cedC.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My experience with sonys, is that they are relatively pretty (not > anywhere near macs though >;) ), but the battery life isn't very Macs ? Cute ? Don't think so. > good. Most stuff usually works with linux, although tends to be > eratic and they have no official support (once had a hardware > problem, mentioned by mistake that the exact details were found under > linux since I didn't have the tools under XP and got the imidiate > reply that linux isn't supported and they didn't even bother with the > rest of the email). On the other hand, their support is non > existent. Their support team can't answear an email properly, apart > from the template ansear, with less then three repost and some harsh > language, and then they tell you to call in since they can't solve > they problem over email, no matter how simple. Then they tell you to > send in the laptop for repair, do a poor job, and do their best to > avoid the warranty. They charged me 250$ for what should have been > warranty work last time, and nobody could give an answear worth > anything when I tried to inquire about it. I have very good > experience with IBMs though, although they are not as pretty, and not > the cheapest option. This related story doesn't encourage me in buying my VAIO Z1 ! I plan to buy one but if all you said is correct, I can't imagine buy somthing about 3000¤ here if I can't be sure the tech team is correct. So what would you recommend other than Sony with a good Linux support preferably a centrino based technology and with a good tech team ? My taste for a new notebook are these: centrino, HDD of 40Go (minimum), 256Mo of RAM, good Linux support, good tech team, less than 3000¤. Thanx, zeDek -- "Was kann schon auf dem harten Boden der Tatsachen gedeihen" (Lec) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Hi Charlie (and the rest), I have installed Debian (a mix of unstable/testing) via Knoppix 3.2 on my (university's) Acer Travelmate 803 LCi (Pentium M 1600 MHz, ATI Radeon 9000 Mobility, 512 MB RAM, 40 GB HD CD-RW, DVD,) and it runs OK. Kernel 2.4.21 patched with laptop patch: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/laptopkernel/ plus: -Battery life is very good (~ 4 hours) -Fan almost never comes on (when CPU frequency is reduced to 1200 MHz) -Video adapter support via radeon driver works very well (3D functionality not tested, but DRI driver reports no problems) -LAN interface Broadcom 4401 working w/o any problems -Sound works fine (but do not ask me why, it just does :-) -Synaptics touchpad with excellent support (multi-finger control, slide bars..., use synaptic driver) minus: -ACPI runs only rudimentary (swsusp does not work, klaptop does not work well with ACPI, tried sleepd: no success, poweroff works) -WLAN not supported whatsoever (Intel Pro/Wireless LAN 2100 3B MiniPCI) -Softmodem not working (Agere Systems AC'97) do not know/not tested: -PCMCIA card -USB -Firewire -IR Maybe that gives you an idea? Greetings, Stefan
RE: experience with late model laptops?
My experience with sonys, is that they are relatively pretty (not anywhere near macs though >;) ), but the battery life isn't very good. Most stuff usually works with linux, although tends to be eratic and they have no official support (once had a hardware problem, mentioned by mistake that the exact details were found under linux since I didn't have the tools under XP and got the imidiate reply that linux isn't supported and they didn't even bother with the rest of the email). On the other hand, their support is non existent. Their support team can't answear an email properly, apart from the template ansear, with less then three repost and some harsh language, and then they tell you to call in since they can't solve they problem over email, no matter how simple. Then they tell you to send in the laptop for repair, do a poor job, and do their best to avoid the warranty. They charged me 250$ for what should have been warranty work last time, and nobody could give an answear worth anything when I tried to inquire about it. I have very good experience with IBMs though, although they are not as pretty, and not the cheapest option. On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 02:29, Provost, Stephane wrote: > I've read user comments about this laptop and... the battery life sucks, > it's slow and badly designed, although very pretty. Bottom line was: > expensive, pretty, but you won't get the best bank for the bucks. > > I don't know where I read those, I think I used google. > > HTH. > > --S. > > -Original Message- > From: Xavier Maillard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:14 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: experience with late model laptops? > > > > What about a PCG-Z1SP sony model ? This is what I am planning to buy in a > few months (2-3). Does anybody have feedback for this model ? > > Thx, > > XM > > On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:50:25 -0400 > Luc Lefebvre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm also looking into either Toshiba, Dell, or Apple, to run unstable. > The main purpose of the machine will be to run comedi > and burn CDs for data archiving. I have experience running Debian potato > and Woody . I have been scouring the > tuxmobil.org website and there is one account of an > install on a Tecra S1. I was looking at the Satellite Pro 6100 > . You will > also find some good links related to Toshiba at the bottom of the > tuxmobil.org/toshiba.html page. The same would apply for Dell at the Inspirion 8500 and the Latitude D800, I emailed them some days ago and am still waiting for a response, must say this is wearing > at my enthousiasm for Dell...>. > > > > It would also appear that the Apple hardware is pretty well supported > now where I've read enough to not know what I want anymore... > > > > *^\ > > > > Opinions and esp. advice welcome, > > > > cheers > > > > On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 12:41:21PM -0400, charlie derr wrote: > > > I'm about to purchase a new laptop and wondered if anyone > > > has had any specific success/failures with either of the following: > > > > > > Toshiba Tecra S1 > > > 1.4GHz Mobile Intel Pentium M processor w/Centrino, 1GB RAM, > > > 60GB hard drive, CD-RW/DVD-ROM, 56K, 10/100 Ethernet, > > > Intel WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro and a 15" UXGA active-matrix display > > > Graphics Processor Vendor > > > ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9000 > > > > > > Sony VAIO GRT100 > > > 2.5GHz Mobile Intel Pentium 4 processor-M, 512MB, > > > 60GB hard drive, 24X10X24 CD-RW/8X DVD-ROM, 56K, > > > 10/100 Ethernet, WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro > > > and a 15" XGA active-matrix display > > > Graphics Processor Vendor > > > NVidia GeForce4 420 Go > > > > > > > > > I don't particularly care about the modem or the wireless, > > > and I'll probably run sid (unstable) on it, but I was hoping > > > to get a bit of feedback if there's someone willing to share. > > > > > >thanks so very much in advance, > > > ~c > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -- > > Luc Lefebvre > > > > In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, > > in the expert's mind there are few. > > > > Key fingerprint = D2E5 5E35 B910 6F4E 0242 EC63 0FD9 96D0 C7F4 784E > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: experience with late model laptops?
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 19:41, charlie derr wrote: > I'm about to purchase a new laptop and wondered if anyone > has had any specific success/failures with either of the following: > > Toshiba Tecra S1 > 1.4GHz Mobile Intel Pentium M processor w/Centrino, 1GB RAM, > 60GB hard drive, CD-RW/DVD-ROM, 56K, 10/100 Ethernet, > Intel WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro and a 15" UXGA active-matrix display > Graphics Processor Vendor > ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9000 > > Sony VAIO GRT100 > 2.5GHz Mobile Intel Pentium 4 processor-M, 512MB, > 60GB hard drive, 24X10X24 CD-RW/8X DVD-ROM, 56K, > 10/100 Ethernet, WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro > and a 15" XGA active-matrix display > Graphics Processor Vendor > NVidia GeForce4 420 Go > > > I don't particularly care about the modem or the wireless, > and I'll probably run sid (unstable) on it, but I was hoping > to get a bit of feedback if there's someone willing to share. > > thanks so very much in advance, >~c > > Don't have any experience about the specific model of the sony, but sony's support is disastrous, so if you depend on their support in case of trouble, don't. I have their pcg-fxa53. It is a conexant modem and is workable and the ethernet is realtech which is a simple card but is supported, although mine did have trouble (right now only works when locked into 10Mps half duplex mode). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 19:41, charlie derr wrote: > I'm about to purchase a new laptop and wondered if anyone > has had any specific success/failures with either of the following: > > Toshiba Tecra S1 > 1.4GHz Mobile Intel Pentium M processor w/Centrino, 1GB RAM, > 60GB hard drive, CD-RW/DVD-ROM, 56K, 10/100 Ethernet, > Intel WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro and a 15" UXGA active-matrix display > Graphics Processor Vendor > ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9000 > > Sony VAIO GRT100 > 2.5GHz Mobile Intel Pentium 4 processor-M, 512MB, > 60GB hard drive, 24X10X24 CD-RW/8X DVD-ROM, 56K, > 10/100 Ethernet, WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro > and a 15" XGA active-matrix display > Graphics Processor Vendor > NVidia GeForce4 420 Go > > > I don't particularly care about the modem or the wireless, > and I'll probably run sid (unstable) on it, but I was hoping > to get a bit of feedback if there's someone willing to share. > > thanks so very much in advance, >~c > > Don't have any experience about the specific model of the sony, but sony's support is disastrous, so if you depend on their support in case of trouble, don't. I have their pcg-fxa53. It is a conexant modem and is workable and the ethernet is realtech which is a simple card but is supported, although mine did have trouble (right now only works when locked into 10Mps half duplex mode).
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On Tuesday 05 August 2003 01:29, Provost, Stephane wrote: > I've read user comments about this laptop and... the battery life sucks, This is why Sony retired the PCG-Z1SP and is about to release the PCG-Z1RSP, which is expected to have better battery life (in addition to a faster processor) Mike -- "Do you know what's the best thing about being me ? There's so many me ! " -- Agent Smith Reloaded
Re: experience with late model laptops?
On Tuesday 05 August 2003 01:29, Provost, Stephane wrote: > I've read user comments about this laptop and... the battery life sucks, This is why Sony retired the PCG-Z1SP and is about to release the PCG-Z1RSP, which is expected to have better battery life (in addition to a faster processor) Mike -- "Do you know what's the best thing about being me ? There's so many me ! " -- Agent Smith Reloaded -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have unstable (via a knoppix installation) running on a Z1AP. This is probably a similar model although I don't know for sure. I have been quite happy with it. There is a HOWTO to run RedHat on this model. I believe everything but the 802.11b card works. Actually, the sound is a bit choppy, and I have not spent the time on trying to get that to work. Otherwise its a really nice machine (1400x1050 display). Austin Xavier Maillard wrote: What about a PCG-Z1SP sony model ? This is what I am planning to buy in a few months (2-3). Does anybody have feedback for this model ? Thx, XM
RE: experience with late model laptops?
I've read user comments about this laptop and... the battery life sucks, it's slow and badly designed, although very pretty. Bottom line was: expensive, pretty, but you won't get the best bank for the bucks. I don't know where I read those, I think I used google. HTH. --S. -Original Message- From: Xavier Maillard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: experience with late model laptops? What about a PCG-Z1SP sony model ? This is what I am planning to buy in a few months (2-3). Does anybody have feedback for this model ? Thx, XM On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:50:25 -0400 Luc Lefebvre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm also looking into either Toshiba, Dell, or Apple, to run unstable. The main purpose of the machine will be to run comedi and burn CDs for data archiving. I have experience running Debian potato and Woody . I have been scouring the tuxmobil.org website and there is one account of an install on a Tecra S1. I was looking at the Satellite Pro 6100 . You will also find some good links related to Toshiba at the bottom of the tuxmobil.org/toshiba.html page. The same would apply for Dell . > > It would also appear that the Apple hardware is pretty well supported > *^\ > > Opinions and esp. advice welcome, > > cheers > > On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 12:41:21PM -0400, charlie derr wrote: > > I'm about to purchase a new laptop and wondered if anyone > > has had any specific success/failures with either of the following: > > > > Toshiba Tecra S1 > > 1.4GHz Mobile Intel Pentium M processor w/Centrino, 1GB RAM, > > 60GB hard drive, CD-RW/DVD-ROM, 56K, 10/100 Ethernet, > > Intel WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro and a 15" UXGA active-matrix display > > Graphics Processor Vendor > > ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9000 > > > > Sony VAIO GRT100 > > 2.5GHz Mobile Intel Pentium 4 processor-M, 512MB, > > 60GB hard drive, 24X10X24 CD-RW/8X DVD-ROM, 56K, > > 10/100 Ethernet, WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro > > and a 15" XGA active-matrix display > > Graphics Processor Vendor > > NVidia GeForce4 420 Go > > > > > > I don't particularly care about the modem or the wireless, > > and I'll probably run sid (unstable) on it, but I was hoping > > to get a bit of feedback if there's someone willing to share. > > > >thanks so very much in advance, > > ~c > > > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > Luc Lefebvre > > In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, > in the expert's mind there are few. > > Key fingerprint = D2E5 5E35 B910 6F4E 0242 EC63 0FD9 96D0 C7F4 784E > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 16:19:18 -0700 Austin Godber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have unstable (via a knoppix installation) running on a Z1AP. This s Dunno. > probably a similar model although I don't know for sure. I have been quite > happy with it. There is a HOWTO to run RedHat on this model. I believe > everything but the 802.11b card works. Actually, the sound is a bit choppy, > and > I have not spent the time on trying to get that to work. > Otherwise its a really nice machine (1400x1050 display). Does the videocard really suck as I was said ? > Austin > > Xavier Maillard wrote: > > What about a PCG-Z1SP sony model ? This is what I am planning to buy in a > > few months (2-3). Does anybody have feedback for this model ? > > > > Thx, > > > > XM > > >
Re: experience with late model laptops?
What about a PCG-Z1SP sony model ? This is what I am planning to buy in a few months (2-3). Does anybody have feedback for this model ? Thx, XM On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:50:25 -0400 Luc Lefebvre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm also looking into either Toshiba, Dell, or Apple, to run unstable. The > main purpose of the machine will be to run comedi and > burn CDs for data archiving. I have experience running Debian potato desktop> and Woody . I have been scouring the tuxmobil.org > website and there is one account of an install on a > Tecra S1. I was looking at the Satellite Pro 6100 be more experience "out there" with it>. You will also find some good links > related to Toshiba at the bottom of the tuxmobil.org/toshiba.html page. The > same would apply for Dell Latitude D800, I emailed them waiting for a response, must say this is wearing at my enthousiasm for > Dell...>. > > It would also appear that the Apple hardware is pretty well supported from what I can glean from tuxmobil penguinppc.org. I'm at the stage now > where I've read enough to not know what I want anymore... > > *^\ > > Opinions and esp. advice welcome, > > cheers > > On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 12:41:21PM -0400, charlie derr wrote: > > I'm about to purchase a new laptop and wondered if anyone > > has had any specific success/failures with either of the following: > > > > Toshiba Tecra S1 > > 1.4GHz Mobile Intel Pentium M processor w/Centrino, 1GB RAM, > > 60GB hard drive, CD-RW/DVD-ROM, 56K, 10/100 Ethernet, > > Intel WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro and a 15" UXGA active-matrix display > > Graphics Processor Vendor > > ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9000 > > > > Sony VAIO GRT100 > > 2.5GHz Mobile Intel Pentium 4 processor-M, 512MB, > > 60GB hard drive, 24X10X24 CD-RW/8X DVD-ROM, 56K, > > 10/100 Ethernet, WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro > > and a 15" XGA active-matrix display > > Graphics Processor Vendor > > NVidia GeForce4 420 Go > > > > > > I don't particularly care about the modem or the wireless, > > and I'll probably run sid (unstable) on it, but I was hoping > > to get a bit of feedback if there's someone willing to share. > > > >thanks so very much in advance, > > ~c > > > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > Luc Lefebvre > > In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, > in the expert's mind there are few. > > Key fingerprint = D2E5 5E35 B910 6F4E 0242 EC63 0FD9 96D0 C7F4 784E > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: experience with late model laptops?
I have unstable (via a knoppix installation) running on a Z1AP. This is probably a similar model although I don't know for sure. I have been quite happy with it. There is a HOWTO to run RedHat on this model. I believe everything but the 802.11b card works. Actually, the sound is a bit choppy, and I have not spent the time on trying to get that to work. Otherwise its a really nice machine (1400x1050 display). Austin Xavier Maillard wrote: What about a PCG-Z1SP sony model ? This is what I am planning to buy in a few months (2-3). Does anybody have feedback for this model ? Thx, XM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: experience with late model laptops?
I've read user comments about this laptop and... the battery life sucks, it's slow and badly designed, although very pretty. Bottom line was: expensive, pretty, but you won't get the best bank for the bucks. I don't know where I read those, I think I used google. HTH. --S. -Original Message- From: Xavier Maillard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: experience with late model laptops? What about a PCG-Z1SP sony model ? This is what I am planning to buy in a few months (2-3). Does anybody have feedback for this model ? Thx, XM On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:50:25 -0400 Luc Lefebvre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm also looking into either Toshiba, Dell, or Apple, to run unstable. The main purpose of the machine will be to run comedi and burn CDs for data archiving. I have experience running Debian potato and Woody . I have been scouring the tuxmobil.org website and there is one account of an install on a Tecra S1. I was looking at the Satellite Pro 6100 . You will also find some good links related to Toshiba at the bottom of the tuxmobil.org/toshiba.html page. The same would apply for Dell . > > It would also appear that the Apple hardware is pretty well supported > *^\ > > Opinions and esp. advice welcome, > > cheers > > On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 12:41:21PM -0400, charlie derr wrote: > > I'm about to purchase a new laptop and wondered if anyone > > has had any specific success/failures with either of the following: > > > > Toshiba Tecra S1 > > 1.4GHz Mobile Intel Pentium M processor w/Centrino, 1GB RAM, > > 60GB hard drive, CD-RW/DVD-ROM, 56K, 10/100 Ethernet, > > Intel WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro and a 15" UXGA active-matrix display > > Graphics Processor Vendor > > ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9000 > > > > Sony VAIO GRT100 > > 2.5GHz Mobile Intel Pentium 4 processor-M, 512MB, > > 60GB hard drive, 24X10X24 CD-RW/8X DVD-ROM, 56K, > > 10/100 Ethernet, WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro > > and a 15" XGA active-matrix display > > Graphics Processor Vendor > > NVidia GeForce4 420 Go > > > > > > I don't particularly care about the modem or the wireless, > > and I'll probably run sid (unstable) on it, but I was hoping > > to get a bit of feedback if there's someone willing to share. > > > >thanks so very much in advance, > > ~c > > > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > Luc Lefebvre > > In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, > in the expert's mind there are few. > > Key fingerprint = D2E5 5E35 B910 6F4E 0242 EC63 0FD9 96D0 C7F4 784E > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 16:19:18 -0700 Austin Godber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have unstable (via a knoppix installation) running on a Z1AP. This s Dunno. > probably a similar model although I don't know for sure. I have been quite > happy with it. There is a HOWTO to run RedHat on this model. I believe > everything but the 802.11b card works. Actually, the sound is a bit choppy, and > I have not spent the time on trying to get that to work. > Otherwise its a really nice machine (1400x1050 display). Does the videocard really suck as I was said ? > Austin > > Xavier Maillard wrote: > > What about a PCG-Z1SP sony model ? This is what I am planning to buy in a few > > months (2-3). Does anybody have feedback for this model ? > > > > Thx, > > > > XM > > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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What about a PCG-Z1SP sony model ? This is what I am planning to buy in a few months (2-3). Does anybody have feedback for this model ? Thx, XM On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:50:25 -0400 Luc Lefebvre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm also looking into either Toshiba, Dell, or Apple, to run unstable. The main > purpose of the machine will be to run comedi and burn CDs for > data archiving. I have experience running Debian potato and Woody an IBM laptop>. I have been scouring the tuxmobil.org website > and there is one account of an install on a Tecra S1. I was looking at the > Satellite Pro 6100 it>. You will also find some good links related to Toshiba at the bottom of the > tuxmobil.org/toshiba.html page. The same would apply for Dell Inspirion 8500 and the Latitude D800, I emailed them and am still waiting for a response, must say this is wearing at my enthousiasm for > Dell...>. > > It would also appear that the Apple hardware is pretty well supported what I can glean from tuxmobil penguinppc.org. I'm at the stage now where I've read > enough to not know what I want anymore... > > *^\ > > Opinions and esp. advice welcome, > > cheers > > On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 12:41:21PM -0400, charlie derr wrote: > > I'm about to purchase a new laptop and wondered if anyone > > has had any specific success/failures with either of the following: > > > > Toshiba Tecra S1 > > 1.4GHz Mobile Intel Pentium M processor w/Centrino, 1GB RAM, > > 60GB hard drive, CD-RW/DVD-ROM, 56K, 10/100 Ethernet, > > Intel WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro and a 15" UXGA active-matrix display > > Graphics Processor Vendor > > ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9000 > > > > Sony VAIO GRT100 > > 2.5GHz Mobile Intel Pentium 4 processor-M, 512MB, > > 60GB hard drive, 24X10X24 CD-RW/8X DVD-ROM, 56K, > > 10/100 Ethernet, WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro > > and a 15" XGA active-matrix display > > Graphics Processor Vendor > > NVidia GeForce4 420 Go > > > > > > I don't particularly care about the modem or the wireless, > > and I'll probably run sid (unstable) on it, but I was hoping > > to get a bit of feedback if there's someone willing to share. > > > >thanks so very much in advance, > > ~c > > > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > Luc Lefebvre > > In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, > in the expert's mind there are few. > > Key fingerprint = D2E5 5E35 B910 6F4E 0242 EC63 0FD9 96D0 C7F4 784E > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Why hasn't some bright-spark started making *new* batteries for older > machines, using current technologies, rather than re-packing them. > Similarly to how VIA's C3 CPUs are made with modern methods but at sub > 1GHz speeds thus requiring no active cooling... And I will be really glad if someday VIA comes up with a "C4" so that I can replace my P4-m with a "no-need-to-activate-fan" mobile solution :-)
Re: experience with late model laptops?
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:33:36 -0700 "Provost, Stephane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Centrino(...) battery life is... much better. > > IBMs and Dells have the best battery life. Note one thing: all the > online tests you'll see only mention big brands, but never generics. > So I am sure they're a little biased and cheaper generic models might > cut just as well as expensive models. The other day I was idly thinking about batteries. I have an ancient P166 toshiba tecra with two Li ION batteries, which gives ~3 hours battery life. The new work laptops have one battery, half the size/weight with approximately the same battery life. Why hasn't some bright-spark started making *new* batteries for older machines, using current technologies, rather than re-packing them. Similarly to how VIA's C3 CPUs are made with modern methods but at sub 1GHz speeds thus requiring no active cooling...
RE: experience with late model laptops?
I was talking about Centrino's only. They sound much more promising than P4-Ms. And battery life is... much better. From all the newsgroups I've read, the Dells are quite hot too. The D800 uses an Nvidia GeForce 400, which is quite hot. The Radeon (ATI Radeon 9000) is much cooler and less power-greedy, maybe slightly less performant than the GeForce. IBMs and Dells have the best battery life. Note one thing: all the online tests you'll see only mention big brands, but never generics. So I am sure they're a little biased and cheaper generic models might cut just as well as expensive models. As for Centrino and linux, someone posted a link already, I am sure google has the answer. --Stephane -Original Message- From: Jeff Griffiths [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 12:23 PM To: Provost, Stephane Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: experience with late model laptops? Provost, Stephane wrote: > My $0.02. If you're looking for cheaper stuff, try www.powernotebooks.com. > It's sort of a grey market of the laptops, worth giving it a shot. At least, > I got an answer the same day. > with a specific reference to the 'Sager NP4020' model on the 15" page on the site, and also targeted generally at laptops that use desktop P4s: i have an earlier model of this laptop, it is a generic model marketed by a number of companies including alienware and eurcom in north america. I have unstable running on it with most functionality available, but i haven't tried to access firewire, USB etc and don't yet have dri running. also, these things run _HOT_ and have crappy battery life. i would recommend in these cases to go with a centrino-based laptop for most uses, but i'm not sure where linux support for this is at. anyone? bueller? ->jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Provost, Stephane wrote: My $0.02. If you're looking for cheaper stuff, try www.powernotebooks.com. It's sort of a grey market of the laptops, worth giving it a shot. At least, I got an answer the same day. with a specific reference to the 'Sager NP4020' model on the 15" page on the site, and also targeted generally at laptops that use desktop P4s: i have an earlier model of this laptop, it is a generic model marketed by a number of companies including alienware and eurcom in north america. I have unstable running on it with most functionality available, but i haven't tried to access firewire, USB etc and don't yet have dri running. also, these things run _HOT_ and have crappy battery life. i would recommend in these cases to go with a centrino-based laptop for most uses, but i'm not sure where linux support for this is at. anyone? bueller? ->jeff
RE: experience with late model laptops?
My $0.02. If you're looking for cheaper stuff, try www.powernotebooks.com. It's sort of a grey market of the laptops, worth giving it a shot. At least, I got an answer the same day. I think Dells are pretty good, even though I heard their biggest problem is... customer service. Definitely choose a latitude over an inspiron. [However, Dell is a Texas-based company, so if you have political resents, you may want to choose something else :) ] Toshibas sound good, but you have to cope with their special look and feel. Did you consider Sony ? Hope this helps a least a little. Cheers -Original Message- From: Luc Lefebvre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 10:48 AM To: charlie derr Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: experience with late model laptops? I'm also looking into either Toshiba, Dell, or Apple, to run unstable. The main purpose of the machine will be to run comedi and burn CDs for data archiving. I have experience running Debian potato and Woody . I have been scouring the tuxmobil.org website and there is one account of an install on a Tecra S1. I was looking at the Satellite Pro 6100 . You will also find some good links related to Toshiba at the bottom of the tuxmobil.org/toshiba.html page. The same would apply for Dell . It would also appear that the Apple hardware is pretty well supported I'm about to purchase a new laptop and wondered if anyone > has had any specific success/failures with either of the following: > > Toshiba Tecra S1 > 1.4GHz Mobile Intel Pentium M processor w/Centrino, 1GB RAM, > 60GB hard drive, CD-RW/DVD-ROM, 56K, 10/100 Ethernet, > Intel WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro and a 15" UXGA active-matrix display > Graphics Processor Vendor > ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9000 > > Sony VAIO GRT100 > 2.5GHz Mobile Intel Pentium 4 processor-M, 512MB, > 60GB hard drive, 24X10X24 CD-RW/8X DVD-ROM, 56K, > 10/100 Ethernet, WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro > and a 15" XGA active-matrix display > Graphics Processor Vendor > NVidia GeForce4 420 Go > > > I don't particularly care about the modem or the wireless, > and I'll probably run sid (unstable) on it, but I was hoping > to get a bit of feedback if there's someone willing to share. > >thanks so very much in advance, > ~c > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Luc Lefebvre In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's mind there are few. Key fingerprint = D2E5 5E35 B910 6F4E 0242 EC63 0FD9 96D0 C7F4 784E -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Why hasn't some bright-spark started making *new* batteries for older > machines, using current technologies, rather than re-packing them. > Similarly to how VIA's C3 CPUs are made with modern methods but at sub > 1GHz speeds thus requiring no active cooling... And I will be really glad if someday VIA comes up with a "C4" so that I can replace my P4-m with a "no-need-to-activate-fan" mobile solution :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:33:36 -0700 "Provost, Stephane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Centrino(...) battery life is... much better. > > IBMs and Dells have the best battery life. Note one thing: all the > online tests you'll see only mention big brands, but never generics. > So I am sure they're a little biased and cheaper generic models might > cut just as well as expensive models. The other day I was idly thinking about batteries. I have an ancient P166 toshiba tecra with two Li ION batteries, which gives ~3 hours battery life. The new work laptops have one battery, half the size/weight with approximately the same battery life. Why hasn't some bright-spark started making *new* batteries for older machines, using current technologies, rather than re-packing them. Similarly to how VIA's C3 CPUs are made with modern methods but at sub 1GHz speeds thus requiring no active cooling... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm also looking into either Toshiba, Dell, or Apple, to run unstable. The main purpose of the machine will be to run comedi and burn CDs for data archiving. I have experience running Debian potato and Woody . I have been scouring the tuxmobil.org website and there is one account of an install on a Tecra S1. I was looking at the Satellite Pro 6100 . You will also find some good links related to Toshiba at the bottom of the tuxmobil.org/toshiba.html page. The same would apply for Dell . It would also appear that the Apple hardware is pretty well supported I'm about to purchase a new laptop and wondered if anyone > has had any specific success/failures with either of the following: > > Toshiba Tecra S1 > 1.4GHz Mobile Intel Pentium M processor w/Centrino, 1GB RAM, > 60GB hard drive, CD-RW/DVD-ROM, 56K, 10/100 Ethernet, > Intel WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro and a 15" UXGA active-matrix display > Graphics Processor Vendor > ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9000 > > Sony VAIO GRT100 > 2.5GHz Mobile Intel Pentium 4 processor-M, 512MB, > 60GB hard drive, 24X10X24 CD-RW/8X DVD-ROM, 56K, > 10/100 Ethernet, WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro > and a 15" XGA active-matrix display > Graphics Processor Vendor > NVidia GeForce4 420 Go > > > I don't particularly care about the modem or the wireless, > and I'll probably run sid (unstable) on it, but I was hoping > to get a bit of feedback if there's someone willing to share. > >thanks so very much in advance, > ~c > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Luc Lefebvre In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's mind there are few. Key fingerprint = D2E5 5E35 B910 6F4E 0242 EC63 0FD9 96D0 C7F4 784E
RE: experience with late model laptops?
I was talking about Centrino's only. They sound much more promising than P4-Ms. And battery life is... much better. From all the newsgroups I've read, the Dells are quite hot too. The D800 uses an Nvidia GeForce 400, which is quite hot. The Radeon (ATI Radeon 9000) is much cooler and less power-greedy, maybe slightly less performant than the GeForce. IBMs and Dells have the best battery life. Note one thing: all the online tests you'll see only mention big brands, but never generics. So I am sure they're a little biased and cheaper generic models might cut just as well as expensive models. As for Centrino and linux, someone posted a link already, I am sure google has the answer. --Stephane -Original Message- From: Jeff Griffiths [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 12:23 PM To: Provost, Stephane Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: experience with late model laptops? Provost, Stephane wrote: > My $0.02. If you're looking for cheaper stuff, try www.powernotebooks.com. > It's sort of a grey market of the laptops, worth giving it a shot. At least, > I got an answer the same day. > with a specific reference to the 'Sager NP4020' model on the 15" page on the site, and also targeted generally at laptops that use desktop P4s: i have an earlier model of this laptop, it is a generic model marketed by a number of companies including alienware and eurcom in north america. I have unstable running on it with most functionality available, but i haven't tried to access firewire, USB etc and don't yet have dri running. also, these things run _HOT_ and have crappy battery life. i would recommend in these cases to go with a centrino-based laptop for most uses, but i'm not sure where linux support for this is at. anyone? bueller? ->jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: experience with late model laptops?
Provost, Stephane wrote: My $0.02. If you're looking for cheaper stuff, try www.powernotebooks.com. It's sort of a grey market of the laptops, worth giving it a shot. At least, I got an answer the same day. with a specific reference to the 'Sager NP4020' model on the 15" page on the site, and also targeted generally at laptops that use desktop P4s: i have an earlier model of this laptop, it is a generic model marketed by a number of companies including alienware and eurcom in north america. I have unstable running on it with most functionality available, but i haven't tried to access firewire, USB etc and don't yet have dri running. also, these things run _HOT_ and have crappy battery life. i would recommend in these cases to go with a centrino-based laptop for most uses, but i'm not sure where linux support for this is at. anyone? bueller? ->jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: experience with late model laptops?
My $0.02. If you're looking for cheaper stuff, try www.powernotebooks.com. It's sort of a grey market of the laptops, worth giving it a shot. At least, I got an answer the same day. I think Dells are pretty good, even though I heard their biggest problem is... customer service. Definitely choose a latitude over an inspiron. [However, Dell is a Texas-based company, so if you have political resents, you may want to choose something else :) ] Toshibas sound good, but you have to cope with their special look and feel. Did you consider Sony ? Hope this helps a least a little. Cheers -Original Message- From: Luc Lefebvre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 10:48 AM To: charlie derr Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: experience with late model laptops? I'm also looking into either Toshiba, Dell, or Apple, to run unstable. The main purpose of the machine will be to run comedi and burn CDs for data archiving. I have experience running Debian potato and Woody . I have been scouring the tuxmobil.org website and there is one account of an install on a Tecra S1. I was looking at the Satellite Pro 6100 . You will also find some good links related to Toshiba at the bottom of the tuxmobil.org/toshiba.html page. The same would apply for Dell . It would also appear that the Apple hardware is pretty well supported I'm about to purchase a new laptop and wondered if anyone > has had any specific success/failures with either of the following: > > Toshiba Tecra S1 > 1.4GHz Mobile Intel Pentium M processor w/Centrino, 1GB RAM, > 60GB hard drive, CD-RW/DVD-ROM, 56K, 10/100 Ethernet, > Intel WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro and a 15" UXGA active-matrix display > Graphics Processor Vendor > ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9000 > > Sony VAIO GRT100 > 2.5GHz Mobile Intel Pentium 4 processor-M, 512MB, > 60GB hard drive, 24X10X24 CD-RW/8X DVD-ROM, 56K, > 10/100 Ethernet, WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro > and a 15" XGA active-matrix display > Graphics Processor Vendor > NVidia GeForce4 420 Go > > > I don't particularly care about the modem or the wireless, > and I'll probably run sid (unstable) on it, but I was hoping > to get a bit of feedback if there's someone willing to share. > >thanks so very much in advance, > ~c > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Luc Lefebvre In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's mind there are few. Key fingerprint = D2E5 5E35 B910 6F4E 0242 EC63 0FD9 96D0 C7F4 784E -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: experience with late model laptops?
I'm also looking into either Toshiba, Dell, or Apple, to run unstable. The main purpose of the machine will be to run comedi and burn CDs for data archiving. I have experience running Debian potato and Woody . I have been scouring the tuxmobil.org website and there is one account of an install on a Tecra S1. I was looking at the Satellite Pro 6100 . You will also find some good links related to Toshiba at the bottom of the tuxmobil.org/toshiba.html page. The same would apply for Dell . It would also appear that the Apple hardware is pretty well supported I'm about to purchase a new laptop and wondered if anyone > has had any specific success/failures with either of the following: > > Toshiba Tecra S1 > 1.4GHz Mobile Intel Pentium M processor w/Centrino, 1GB RAM, > 60GB hard drive, CD-RW/DVD-ROM, 56K, 10/100 Ethernet, > Intel WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro and a 15" UXGA active-matrix display > Graphics Processor Vendor > ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9000 > > Sony VAIO GRT100 > 2.5GHz Mobile Intel Pentium 4 processor-M, 512MB, > 60GB hard drive, 24X10X24 CD-RW/8X DVD-ROM, 56K, > 10/100 Ethernet, WiFi 802.11b, Windows XP Pro > and a 15" XGA active-matrix display > Graphics Processor Vendor > NVidia GeForce4 420 Go > > > I don't particularly care about the modem or the wireless, > and I'll probably run sid (unstable) on it, but I was hoping > to get a bit of feedback if there's someone willing to share. > >thanks so very much in advance, > ~c > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Luc Lefebvre In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's mind there are few. Key fingerprint = D2E5 5E35 B910 6F4E 0242 EC63 0FD9 96D0 C7F4 784E -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
