Re: which laptop with these features?
> > It's a taller drive. Still has the tiny-size IDE interface normal on > > laptop disks, but the taller bay will allow for either older drive bays > > (perhaps he intends to slide an already-debian drive into his new > > machine) or for larger capacities (you can only fit so many platters > > on a 9.5mm drive). > > > > Beware also that some manufacturers say 9mm and mean it; they can't take > > 9.5mm drives either, or they can with a -very- tight fit, and some > > danger of heating problems. Mostly those are your pocket-tops; I don't > > think you'll have that problem when looking for the bigger-screen systems. > > > > * Heather Stern * star@ many places... > > Ah, I get it...the drive is taller to make room for the thicker > platters. In the case of older drives, yes. > I was thinking the higher capacity drives used thinner > platters to make room for more in the same sized drive. They've improved making them (and the corresponding drive heads) thinner, but you can still cram a few more of the thin platters into a 12.5mm drive than a 9.5mm one. For people who are eager for high capacity and mobility at the same time, this can make a big difference in the pile of stuff you get to carry around; spare drives take up space, even more so if you want to defend them against being clunked, dropped or tossed around in luggage. > thanks, > jc No problem. :) * Heather Stern * star@ many places...
Re: which laptop with these features?
> > It's a taller drive. Still has the tiny-size IDE interface normal on > > laptop disks, but the taller bay will allow for either older drive bays > > (perhaps he intends to slide an already-debian drive into his new > > machine) or for larger capacities (you can only fit so many platters > > on a 9.5mm drive). > > > > Beware also that some manufacturers say 9mm and mean it; they can't take > > 9.5mm drives either, or they can with a -very- tight fit, and some > > danger of heating problems. Mostly those are your pocket-tops; I don't > > think you'll have that problem when looking for the bigger-screen systems. > > > > * Heather Stern * star@ many places... > > Ah, I get it...the drive is taller to make room for the thicker > platters. In the case of older drives, yes. > I was thinking the higher capacity drives used thinner > platters to make room for more in the same sized drive. They've improved making them (and the corresponding drive heads) thinner, but you can still cram a few more of the thin platters into a 12.5mm drive than a 9.5mm one. For people who are eager for high capacity and mobility at the same time, this can make a big difference in the pile of stuff you get to carry around; spare drives take up space, even more so if you want to defend them against being clunked, dropped or tossed around in luggage. > thanks, > jc No problem. :) * Heather Stern * star@ many places... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which laptop with these features?
Heather Stern, 2002-Sep-18 12:21 -0700: > > I'm not familiar with the 12.5mm vs. 9.5mm HDD. What does this > > describe? > > > > thanks, > > jc > > > > -- > > Jeff CoppockSystems Engineer > > Diggin' Debian Admin and User > > It's a taller drive. Still has the tiny-size IDE interface normal on > laptop disks, but the taller bay will allow for either older drive bays > (perhaps he intends to slide an already-debian drive into his new > machine) or for larger capacities (you can only fit so many platters > on a 9.5mm drive). > > Beware also that some manufacturers say 9mm and mean it; they can't take > 9.5mm drives either, or they can with a -very- tight fit, and some > danger of heating problems. Mostly those are your pocket-tops; I don't > think you'll have that problem when looking for the bigger-screen systems. > > * Heather Stern * star@ many places... Ah, I get it...the drive is taller to make room for the thicker platters. I was thinking the higher capacity drives used thinner platters to make room for more in the same sized drive. thanks, jc -- Jeff CoppockSystems Engineer Diggin' Debian Admin and User
Re: which laptop with these features?
> I'm not familiar with the 12.5mm vs. 9.5mm HDD. What does this > describe? > > thanks, > jc > > -- > Jeff Coppock Systems Engineer > Diggin' DebianAdmin and User It's a taller drive. Still has the tiny-size IDE interface normal on laptop disks, but the taller bay will allow for either older drive bays (perhaps he intends to slide an already-debian drive into his new machine) or for larger capacities (you can only fit so many platters on a 9.5mm drive). Beware also that some manufacturers say 9mm and mean it; they can't take 9.5mm drives either, or they can with a -very- tight fit, and some danger of heating problems. Mostly those are your pocket-tops; I don't think you'll have that problem when looking for the bigger-screen systems. * Heather Stern * star@ many places...
Re: which laptop with these features?
Heather Stern, 2002-Sep-18 12:21 -0700: > > I'm not familiar with the 12.5mm vs. 9.5mm HDD. What does this > > describe? > > > > thanks, > > jc > > > > -- > > Jeff CoppockSystems Engineer > > Diggin' Debian Admin and User > > It's a taller drive. Still has the tiny-size IDE interface normal on > laptop disks, but the taller bay will allow for either older drive bays > (perhaps he intends to slide an already-debian drive into his new > machine) or for larger capacities (you can only fit so many platters > on a 9.5mm drive). > > Beware also that some manufacturers say 9mm and mean it; they can't take > 9.5mm drives either, or they can with a -very- tight fit, and some > danger of heating problems. Mostly those are your pocket-tops; I don't > think you'll have that problem when looking for the bigger-screen systems. > > * Heather Stern * star@ many places... Ah, I get it...the drive is taller to make room for the thicker platters. I was thinking the higher capacity drives used thinner platters to make room for more in the same sized drive. thanks, jc -- Jeff CoppockSystems Engineer Diggin' Debian Admin and User -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which laptop with these features?
Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ] I'm not familiar with the 12.5mm vs. 9.5mm HDD. What does this ] describe? It's the physical dimension of height of the device. In the new high-capacity laptop hard drives they use more platters in a taller stack. I think the highest capacity 9.5mm hard disk is 40 GB, and the 12.5mm disks go up to 60 GB. Sebastian
Re: which laptop with these features?
"Paul Ehrenreich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ] Also were you looking at the mobile Radeon for the 8200? didnt they give you ] an option for a M4 by chance? ] ITs been awhile since i looked at Dell's site and see what they have for the ] 8200 line The 8200 comes with nVidia cards or the Mobility Radeon 9000 only. And if you want the ATI, you have to also shell out for a 2 GHz P4, 512 MB RAM, and 40 GB disk. I prefer to buy the least amount of hardware from Dell, and upgrade with the cheaper add-ons from newegg.com or equivalent. I'd happily buy an 8200 with an older ATI video card if they offered it, but they dont. Sebastian
Re: which laptop with these features?
Sebastian Kuzminsky, 2002-Sep-18 09:55 -0700: > Hi folks, i'm looking for a new laptop. Can anyone recommend a good > one with these features: > > 14" or bigger screen, with better than 1024x768 resolution > CD-RW/DVD drive (fixed or removable is ok) > accepts a 12.5mm hard disk > accepts two batteries > video supported natively by XFree86 4.1 or 4.2 (not nVidia) > audio supported by OSS in the 2.4 kernel > price under $2,500 > > > I was pretty excited about the Dell Inspiron 4150 until i learned that > it only accepts 9.5mm hard disks. Then i was excited about the Inspiron > 8200 until i learned that the ATI video card is only available if you > configure it with a 2 GHz P4, 512 MB RAM, and a 40 GB disk. > > > I've heard good things about the IBM Thinkpads but havent dont the > research yet... > > > Any info would be appreciated. I'm not familiar with the 12.5mm vs. 9.5mm HDD. What does this describe? thanks, jc -- Jeff CoppockSystems Engineer Diggin' Debian Admin and User
Re: which laptop with these features?
I have an Inspiron 8000 currently running Debian -SID and i havent had any problems with it. I have Xfree 4.2 w/ KDE 3 working good the sound card is a maestro 3 which is supported in the newer kernels 8x sony CDRW in the fixed bay Also were you looking at the mobile Radeon for the 8200? didnt they give you an option for a M4 by chance? ITs been awhile since i looked at Dell's site and see what they have for the 8200 line - Original Message - From: "Sebastian Kuzminsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 12:55 PM Subject: which laptop with these features? > Hi folks, i'm looking for a new laptop. Can anyone recommend a good > one with these features: > > 14" or bigger screen, with better than 1024x768 resolution > CD-RW/DVD drive (fixed or removable is ok) > accepts a 12.5mm hard disk > accepts two batteries > video supported natively by XFree86 4.1 or 4.2 (not nVidia) > audio supported by OSS in the 2.4 kernel > price under $2,500 > > > I was pretty excited about the Dell Inspiron 4150 until i learned that > it only accepts 9.5mm hard disks. Then i was excited about the Inspiron > 8200 until i learned that the ATI video card is only available if you > configure it with a 2 GHz P4, 512 MB RAM, and a 40 GB disk. > > > I've heard good things about the IBM Thinkpads but havent dont the > research yet... > > > Any info would be appreciated. > > > > > Sebastian > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which laptop with these features?
Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: > > Hi folks, i'm looking for a new laptop. Can anyone recommend a good > one with these features: http://www.apple.com/powerbook/ is on my xmas list ;-) > 14" or bigger screen, with better than 1024x768 resolution 15.2 inch 3:2 aspect 1280x854 > CD-RW/DVD drive (fixed or removable is ok) yes > accepts a 12.5mm hard disk > accepts two batteries A 55-watt-hour lithium-ion battery with integrated charge indicator LEDs provides 5 hours of battery life. > video supported natively by XFree86 4.1 or 4.2 (not nVidia) ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 graphics processor, 32MB of DDR SDRAM > audio supported by OSS in the 2.4 kernel > price under $2,500 Hmm, I don't know which country's dollars you could mean, but 2499US dollars is the starting price. It also comes with a a non-Free version of Unix which can soon make way for Debian GNU/Linux :-) http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/pmac http://www.linux-france.org/macintosh/tibook.html http://people.debian.org/~branden/ibook.html - Richard -- Richard Smedley Production Editor, Linux Format Join us at LinuxExpo UK - 9-10 October 2002 - Olympia2, London - http://www.linuxexpouk.co.uk Matter cannot be created or destroyed, nor can it be returned without a receipt. This email has been scanned for all viruses.
Re: which laptop with these features?
> I'm not familiar with the 12.5mm vs. 9.5mm HDD. What does this > describe? > > thanks, > jc > > -- > Jeff Coppock Systems Engineer > Diggin' DebianAdmin and User It's a taller drive. Still has the tiny-size IDE interface normal on laptop disks, but the taller bay will allow for either older drive bays (perhaps he intends to slide an already-debian drive into his new machine) or for larger capacities (you can only fit so many platters on a 9.5mm drive). Beware also that some manufacturers say 9mm and mean it; they can't take 9.5mm drives either, or they can with a -very- tight fit, and some danger of heating problems. Mostly those are your pocket-tops; I don't think you'll have that problem when looking for the bigger-screen systems. * Heather Stern * star@ many places... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which laptop with these features?
Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ] I'm not familiar with the 12.5mm vs. 9.5mm HDD. What does this ] describe? It's the physical dimension of height of the device. In the new high-capacity laptop hard drives they use more platters in a taller stack. I think the highest capacity 9.5mm hard disk is 40 GB, and the 12.5mm disks go up to 60 GB. Sebastian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which laptop with these features?
"Paul Ehrenreich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ] Also were you looking at the mobile Radeon for the 8200? didnt they give you ] an option for a M4 by chance? ] ITs been awhile since i looked at Dell's site and see what they have for the ] 8200 line The 8200 comes with nVidia cards or the Mobility Radeon 9000 only. And if you want the ATI, you have to also shell out for a 2 GHz P4, 512 MB RAM, and 40 GB disk. I prefer to buy the least amount of hardware from Dell, and upgrade with the cheaper add-ons from newegg.com or equivalent. I'd happily buy an 8200 with an older ATI video card if they offered it, but they dont. Sebastian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which laptop with these features?
Sebastian Kuzminsky, 2002-Sep-18 09:55 -0700: > Hi folks, i'm looking for a new laptop. Can anyone recommend a good > one with these features: > > 14" or bigger screen, with better than 1024x768 resolution > CD-RW/DVD drive (fixed or removable is ok) > accepts a 12.5mm hard disk > accepts two batteries > video supported natively by XFree86 4.1 or 4.2 (not nVidia) > audio supported by OSS in the 2.4 kernel > price under $2,500 > > > I was pretty excited about the Dell Inspiron 4150 until i learned that > it only accepts 9.5mm hard disks. Then i was excited about the Inspiron > 8200 until i learned that the ATI video card is only available if you > configure it with a 2 GHz P4, 512 MB RAM, and a 40 GB disk. > > > I've heard good things about the IBM Thinkpads but havent dont the > research yet... > > > Any info would be appreciated. I'm not familiar with the 12.5mm vs. 9.5mm HDD. What does this describe? thanks, jc -- Jeff CoppockSystems Engineer Diggin' Debian Admin and User -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which laptop with these features?
I have an Inspiron 8000 currently running Debian -SID and i havent had any problems with it. I have Xfree 4.2 w/ KDE 3 working good the sound card is a maestro 3 which is supported in the newer kernels 8x sony CDRW in the fixed bay Also were you looking at the mobile Radeon for the 8200? didnt they give you an option for a M4 by chance? ITs been awhile since i looked at Dell's site and see what they have for the 8200 line - Original Message - From: "Sebastian Kuzminsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 12:55 PM Subject: which laptop with these features? > Hi folks, i'm looking for a new laptop. Can anyone recommend a good > one with these features: > > 14" or bigger screen, with better than 1024x768 resolution > CD-RW/DVD drive (fixed or removable is ok) > accepts a 12.5mm hard disk > accepts two batteries > video supported natively by XFree86 4.1 or 4.2 (not nVidia) > audio supported by OSS in the 2.4 kernel > price under $2,500 > > > I was pretty excited about the Dell Inspiron 4150 until i learned that > it only accepts 9.5mm hard disks. Then i was excited about the Inspiron > 8200 until i learned that the ATI video card is only available if you > configure it with a 2 GHz P4, 512 MB RAM, and a 40 GB disk. > > > I've heard good things about the IBM Thinkpads but havent dont the > research yet... > > > Any info would be appreciated. > > > > > Sebastian > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which laptop with these features?
Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: > > Hi folks, i'm looking for a new laptop. Can anyone recommend a good > one with these features: http://www.apple.com/powerbook/ is on my xmas list ;-) > 14" or bigger screen, with better than 1024x768 resolution 15.2 inch 3:2 aspect 1280x854 > CD-RW/DVD drive (fixed or removable is ok) yes > accepts a 12.5mm hard disk > accepts two batteries A 55-watt-hour lithium-ion battery with integrated charge indicator LEDs provides 5 hours of battery life. > video supported natively by XFree86 4.1 or 4.2 (not nVidia) ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 graphics processor, 32MB of DDR SDRAM > audio supported by OSS in the 2.4 kernel > price under $2,500 Hmm, I don't know which country's dollars you could mean, but 2499US dollars is the starting price. It also comes with a a non-Free version of Unix which can soon make way for Debian GNU/Linux :-) http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/pmac http://www.linux-france.org/macintosh/tibook.html http://people.debian.org/~branden/ibook.html - Richard -- Richard Smedley Production Editor, Linux Format Join us at LinuxExpo UK - 9-10 October 2002 - Olympia2, London - http://www.linuxexpouk.co.uk Matter cannot be created or destroyed, nor can it be returned without a receipt. This email has been scanned for all viruses. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
