Re: Re[2]: Advice needed
Søren Neigaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Wednesday, October 10, 2001, 6:50:51 PM, Russell wrote: > > RS> I can tell you for a fact that since I tried Ximian, I've had nothing > RS> but trouble with version issues and package mismatches. Getting rid of > RS> it is quite challenging too. > Ok so I should go for Gnome then? What does Debian ships with, I got a > strange desktop with a icon in my top left corner, and 3 in my top > right corner? Ximian (as far as I know) is GNOME (perhaps with a few extra bits and configuration). They build GNOME and provide packages to people. However, the people that maintain the official Debian GNOME packages in unstable keep them pretty current, so if you're happy living with unstable (and it can be exciting sometimes), then just use the official packages. You won't be missing out on much---I don't think there's that much special in Ximian's packages. > What is my next step then? I want a good clean useful desktop, which > is easy to maintain and update, is there such one? KDE2, GNOME (both available in Debian unstable). > I have just installed Potato, what is the next step? Should I upgrade > the hole system, or just bits? Ah. Up to you, really. Decide whether you want to stick with stable (and there's nothing wrong with that---it'll generally be safer), or move to testing or unstable. > And most important, how do I upgrade the system, and install Gnome? You edit /etc/apt/sources.list, to include sources which contain the desired distributions (whether you want stable, testing, or unstable). Then you use "apt-get update", and "apt-get dist-upgrade". I'm not quite sure how you install GNOME easily. You could try "apt-get install task-gnome-desktop" and see what happens. It may not work, though---I think something has replaced task packages, but I don't remember what. You may need to specify the packages individually, in which case you'll want these (together with your choice of window manager): gnome-applets gnome-core gnome-panel gnome-media gnome-help gnome-control-center gnome-bin Probably you'll want one of gmc or nautilus (they're both file manager programs---they provide the background with icons and things). Nautilus is nice, but it's resource-hungry. Unless your laptop has lots of memory, I'd recommend using gmc rather than nautilus (or don't use either, if you want---I don't use a file manager much). "apt-get install evolution" should install evolution. [...] -- Bruce Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] ACI Worldwide/MessagingDirect http://www.MessagingDirect.com/>
Re: Re[2]: Advice needed
Søren Neigaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Wednesday, October 10, 2001, 6:50:51 PM, Russell wrote: > > RS> I can tell you for a fact that since I tried Ximian, I've had nothing > RS> but trouble with version issues and package mismatches. Getting rid of > RS> it is quite challenging too. > Ok so I should go for Gnome then? What does Debian ships with, I got a > strange desktop with a icon in my top left corner, and 3 in my top > right corner? Ximian (as far as I know) is GNOME (perhaps with a few extra bits and configuration). They build GNOME and provide packages to people. However, the people that maintain the official Debian GNOME packages in unstable keep them pretty current, so if you're happy living with unstable (and it can be exciting sometimes), then just use the official packages. You won't be missing out on much---I don't think there's that much special in Ximian's packages. > What is my next step then? I want a good clean useful desktop, which > is easy to maintain and update, is there such one? KDE2, GNOME (both available in Debian unstable). > I have just installed Potato, what is the next step? Should I upgrade > the hole system, or just bits? Ah. Up to you, really. Decide whether you want to stick with stable (and there's nothing wrong with that---it'll generally be safer), or move to testing or unstable. > And most important, how do I upgrade the system, and install Gnome? You edit /etc/apt/sources.list, to include sources which contain the desired distributions (whether you want stable, testing, or unstable). Then you use "apt-get update", and "apt-get dist-upgrade". I'm not quite sure how you install GNOME easily. You could try "apt-get install task-gnome-desktop" and see what happens. It may not work, though---I think something has replaced task packages, but I don't remember what. You may need to specify the packages individually, in which case you'll want these (together with your choice of window manager): gnome-applets gnome-core gnome-panel gnome-media gnome-help gnome-control-center gnome-bin Probably you'll want one of gmc or nautilus (they're both file manager programs---they provide the background with icons and things). Nautilus is nice, but it's resource-hungry. Unless your laptop has lots of memory, I'd recommend using gmc rather than nautilus (or don't use either, if you want---I don't use a file manager much). "apt-get install evolution" should install evolution. [...] -- Bruce Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] ACI Worldwide/MessagingDirect http://www.MessagingDirect.com/> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Advice needed
Wednesday, October 10, 2001, 6:50:51 PM, Russell wrote: RS> I can tell you for a fact that since I tried Ximian, I've had nothing RS> but trouble with version issues and package mismatches. Getting rid of RS> it is quite challenging too. Ok so I should go for Gnome then? What does Debian ships with, I got a strange desktop with a icon in my top left corner, and 3 in my top right corner? What is my next step then? I want a good clean useful desktop, which is easy to maintain and update, is there such one? I have just installed Potato, what is the next step? Should I upgrade the hole system, or just bits? And most important, how do I upgrade the system, and install Gnome? RS> Evolution on the other hand, is quite useable. I've used it now for RS> about 3 months for both work and personal email and have had only a few RS> problems. RS> So, I'll back Bruce by saying - skip Ximian. RS> Russell RS> On Wed, 2001-10-10 at 12:49, Bruce Stephens wrote: >> Søren Neigaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> [...] >> >> > I would like to use the Ximian Desktop, and try out Evolution, is >> > this a good idea (is it stable, pros and cons)? >> >> People have, in the past, found problems with mixing in Ximian (then >> Helix) things---some of the names and versions of packages confused >> things, and random (gtk-related) stuff would break. >> >> Why specifically Ximian? Debian unstable tracks GNOME pretty >> well---personally I stick with that. >> >> > I have heard that Red Carpet on Debian, is a frontend for apt, is >> > that correct? >> >> No idea. -- Med venlig hilsen/Best regards, Søren Neigaard mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Advice needed
Wednesday, October 10, 2001, 6:50:51 PM, Russell wrote: RS> I can tell you for a fact that since I tried Ximian, I've had nothing RS> but trouble with version issues and package mismatches. Getting rid of RS> it is quite challenging too. Ok so I should go for Gnome then? What does Debian ships with, I got a strange desktop with a icon in my top left corner, and 3 in my top right corner? What is my next step then? I want a good clean useful desktop, which is easy to maintain and update, is there such one? I have just installed Potato, what is the next step? Should I upgrade the hole system, or just bits? And most important, how do I upgrade the system, and install Gnome? RS> Evolution on the other hand, is quite useable. I've used it now for RS> about 3 months for both work and personal email and have had only a few RS> problems. RS> So, I'll back Bruce by saying - skip Ximian. RS> Russell RS> On Wed, 2001-10-10 at 12:49, Bruce Stephens wrote: >> Søren Neigaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> [...] >> >> > I would like to use the Ximian Desktop, and try out Evolution, is >> > this a good idea (is it stable, pros and cons)? >> >> People have, in the past, found problems with mixing in Ximian (then >> Helix) things---some of the names and versions of packages confused >> things, and random (gtk-related) stuff would break. >> >> Why specifically Ximian? Debian unstable tracks GNOME pretty >> well---personally I stick with that. >> >> > I have heard that Red Carpet on Debian, is a frontend for apt, is >> > that correct? >> >> No idea. -- Med venlig hilsen/Best regards, Søren Neigaard mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
