Re: Req. advice on upgrades: kernel, X, libc
> On Sunday 09 September 2001 09:03 pm, Scott Bigham wrote: [ snip ] > [...] > > - XFree86: 3.3.6 -> 4.1.0 > > > > My notebook is a Toshiba Portege 7020CT, which has a NeoMagic NM2200 > > video chip. The XFree86 site lists this chip as "Support > > (accelerated)" in 4.1.0;[1] do I lose the acceleration if I use the > > framebuffer? If your kernel has framebuffer acceleration for your card type, no, but it gets done differently... and may be worth comparing which is more efficient, but my money is on X's native code. > > There's also the question of the XF86Config changes; is there a > > utility to convert an old 3.3.6 config file to the new syntax? > > The configuration files for X 4 is actually quite similar, and if anything, > simpler. Just save your old one and compare them side by side, and it should > be fine. In particular save your modelines if you've tweaked them - your monitor has not changed, your videocard's max dotclock has not changed, and the new X's guesing mechanism for modelines is better, but not as good as hand tuning. > > - libc6: 2.1.3 -> 2.2.3 > > > > This is the one that's really got me worried. I mean, if this goes > > wrong, it has the potential to break *everything*. Anything special > > I need to do here? With apt installed, and an otherwise unbroken Debian system, a libc upgrade can be very smooth - apt-get install libc6 locales libstdc++2.10 libc6-dev When you do them all at once it does the right thing. For libc that probably includes replacing ldso and timezones if you have them, the new one provides those now. > > And, coming full circle, if I do this upgrade before the kernel > > upgrade, do I still need to use the "bunk" versions of the various > > 2.4 utilities,[2] or can I just use the versions from testing? > > When I upgraded potato -> woody, the only glitch was some dependencies > concerning perl 5.6, libc 2.2, and APT. It ended up that apt,(which uses > perl) started barfing up on me because the old libc was still installed but > perl had been upgraded first... It wasn't much of a problem, you just have to > manually download 1 or 2 packages and dpkg install them if needed. It turns out that you can upgrade APT last and things work fine. Upgrade perl 2nd works. But *do* get it second... do not wait for another one of the packages to call on it, or, if doing that makes you feel better, then: apt-get install alien Its only other odd dependency is rpm, and the resulting program is VERY handy anyway. if you don't already have it I recommend it. (converts between .deb and other packging flavors) You may or may not lose console-apt if you have it - the package system has sometimes had 'deity' available to replace it, sometimes not, and I don't know its current state. Aptitude works fine though. And if you're desperate for console-apt I can dpkg-repack it for you... > --Brendan * Heather Stern * star@ many places... note: not NYC nor D.C. If you're there I hope you're well.
Re: Req. advice on upgrades: kernel, X, libc
> On Sunday 09 September 2001 09:03 pm, Scott Bigham wrote: [ snip ] > [...] > > - XFree86: 3.3.6 -> 4.1.0 > > > > My notebook is a Toshiba Portege 7020CT, which has a NeoMagic NM2200 > > video chip. The XFree86 site lists this chip as "Support > > (accelerated)" in 4.1.0;[1] do I lose the acceleration if I use the > > framebuffer? If your kernel has framebuffer acceleration for your card type, no, but it gets done differently... and may be worth comparing which is more efficient, but my money is on X's native code. > > There's also the question of the XF86Config changes; is there a > > utility to convert an old 3.3.6 config file to the new syntax? > > The configuration files for X 4 is actually quite similar, and if anything, > simpler. Just save your old one and compare them side by side, and it should > be fine. In particular save your modelines if you've tweaked them - your monitor has not changed, your videocard's max dotclock has not changed, and the new X's guesing mechanism for modelines is better, but not as good as hand tuning. > > - libc6: 2.1.3 -> 2.2.3 > > > > This is the one that's really got me worried. I mean, if this goes > > wrong, it has the potential to break *everything*. Anything special > > I need to do here? With apt installed, and an otherwise unbroken Debian system, a libc upgrade can be very smooth - apt-get install libc6 locales libstdc++2.10 libc6-dev When you do them all at once it does the right thing. For libc that probably includes replacing ldso and timezones if you have them, the new one provides those now. > > And, coming full circle, if I do this upgrade before the kernel > > upgrade, do I still need to use the "bunk" versions of the various > > 2.4 utilities,[2] or can I just use the versions from testing? > > When I upgraded potato -> woody, the only glitch was some dependencies > concerning perl 5.6, libc 2.2, and APT. It ended up that apt,(which uses > perl) started barfing up on me because the old libc was still installed but > perl had been upgraded first... It wasn't much of a problem, you just have to > manually download 1 or 2 packages and dpkg install them if needed. It turns out that you can upgrade APT last and things work fine. Upgrade perl 2nd works. But *do* get it second... do not wait for another one of the packages to call on it, or, if doing that makes you feel better, then: apt-get install alien Its only other odd dependency is rpm, and the resulting program is VERY handy anyway. if you don't already have it I recommend it. (converts between .deb and other packging flavors) You may or may not lose console-apt if you have it - the package system has sometimes had 'deity' available to replace it, sometimes not, and I don't know its current state. Aptitude works fine though. And if you're desperate for console-apt I can dpkg-repack it for you... > --Brendan * Heather Stern * star@ many places... note: not NYC nor D.C. If you're there I hope you're well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Req. advice on upgrades: kernel, X, libc
On Sunday 09 September 2001 09:03 pm, Scott Bigham wrote: > This is, I humbly submit, at least partially on-topic for this list, ;) > since the machine I'm thinking about upgrading is my notebook, and at > least some of the questions are laptop-specific. [...] > - XFree86: 3.3.6 -> 4.1.0 > > My notebook is a Toshiba Portege 7020CT, which has a NeoMagic NM2200 > video chip. The XFree86 site lists this chip as "Support > (accelerated)" in 4.1.0;[1] do I lose the acceleration if I use the > framebuffer? > > There's also the question of the XF86Config changes; is there a > utility to convert an old 3.3.6 config file to the new syntax? The configuration files for X 4 is actually quite similar, and if anything, simpler. Just save your old one and compare them side by side, and it should be fine. > - libc6: 2.1.3 -> 2.2.3 > > This is the one that's really got me worried. I mean, if this goes > wrong, it has the potential to break *everything*. Anything special > I need to do here? > > And, coming full circle, if I do this upgrade before the kernel > upgrade, do I still need to use the "bunk" versions of the various > 2.4 utilities,[2] or can I just use the versions from testing? When I upgraded potato -> woody, the only glitch was some dependencies concerning perl 5.6, libc 2.2, and APT. It ended up that apt,(which uses perl) started barfing up on me because the old libc was still installed but perl had been upgraded first... It wasn't much of a problem, you just have to manually download 1 or 2 packages and dpkg install them if needed. --Brendan
Re: Req. advice on upgrades: kernel, X, libc
On Sunday 09 September 2001 09:03 pm, Scott Bigham wrote: > This is, I humbly submit, at least partially on-topic for this list, ;) > since the machine I'm thinking about upgrading is my notebook, and at > least some of the questions are laptop-specific. [...] > - XFree86: 3.3.6 -> 4.1.0 > > My notebook is a Toshiba Portege 7020CT, which has a NeoMagic NM2200 > video chip. The XFree86 site lists this chip as "Support > (accelerated)" in 4.1.0;[1] do I lose the acceleration if I use the > framebuffer? > > There's also the question of the XF86Config changes; is there a > utility to convert an old 3.3.6 config file to the new syntax? The configuration files for X 4 is actually quite similar, and if anything, simpler. Just save your old one and compare them side by side, and it should be fine. > - libc6: 2.1.3 -> 2.2.3 > > This is the one that's really got me worried. I mean, if this goes > wrong, it has the potential to break *everything*. Anything special > I need to do here? > > And, coming full circle, if I do this upgrade before the kernel > upgrade, do I still need to use the "bunk" versions of the various > 2.4 utilities,[2] or can I just use the versions from testing? When I upgraded potato -> woody, the only glitch was some dependencies concerning perl 5.6, libc 2.2, and APT. It ended up that apt,(which uses perl) started barfing up on me because the old libc was still installed but perl had been upgraded first... It wasn't much of a problem, you just have to manually download 1 or 2 packages and dpkg install them if needed. --Brendan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Req. advice on upgrades: kernel, X, libc
On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 10:03:17PM -0400, Scott Bigham wrote: > This is, I humbly submit, at least partially on-topic for this list, ;) > since the machine I'm thinking about upgrading is my notebook, and at > least some of the questions are laptop-specific. > > Anywho, these are the upgrades I'm considering: > > - kernel: 2.2.19 -> 2.4.9 > > My understanding from previous discussions on this topic is that the > PCMCIA kernel modules in 2.4 are NRFPT (or has this changed in > 2.4.9?), and that I will therefore need to build and install the > pcmcia-cs modules in the same manner that I did for 2.2.x, after > which I will presumably have exactly the same PCMCIA functionality > that I have now. To understand how pcmcia works and what is the different between pcmcia-cs and the kernel stuff please read at http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net Henning Heinold
Re: Req. advice on upgrades: kernel, X, libc
On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 10:03:17PM -0400, Scott Bigham wrote: > This is, I humbly submit, at least partially on-topic for this list, ;) > since the machine I'm thinking about upgrading is my notebook, and at > least some of the questions are laptop-specific. > > Anywho, these are the upgrades I'm considering: > > - kernel: 2.2.19 -> 2.4.9 > > My understanding from previous discussions on this topic is that the > PCMCIA kernel modules in 2.4 are NRFPT (or has this changed in > 2.4.9?), and that I will therefore need to build and install the > pcmcia-cs modules in the same manner that I did for 2.2.x, after > which I will presumably have exactly the same PCMCIA functionality > that I have now. To understand how pcmcia works and what is the different between pcmcia-cs and the kernel stuff please read at http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net Henning Heinold -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Req. advice on upgrades: kernel, X, libc
This is, I humbly submit, at least partially on-topic for this list, ;) since the machine I'm thinking about upgrading is my notebook, and at least some of the questions are laptop-specific. Anywho, these are the upgrades I'm considering: - kernel: 2.2.19 -> 2.4.9 My understanding from previous discussions on this topic is that the PCMCIA kernel modules in 2.4 are NRFPT (or has this changed in 2.4.9?), and that I will therefore need to build and install the pcmcia-cs modules in the same manner that I did for 2.2.x, after which I will presumably have exactly the same PCMCIA functionality that I have now. There's also the issue of whether to compile in framebuffer support, in light of: - XFree86: 3.3.6 -> 4.1.0 My notebook is a Toshiba Portege 7020CT, which has a NeoMagic NM2200 video chip. The XFree86 site lists this chip as "Support (accelerated)" in 4.1.0;[1] do I lose the acceleration if I use the framebuffer? There's also the question of the XF86Config changes; is there a utility to convert an old 3.3.6 config file to the new syntax? Of course, unless I want to download a ~50MB tarball and recompile all of X from first principles, I first have to upgrade: - libc6: 2.1.3 -> 2.2.3 This is the one that's really got me worried. I mean, if this goes wrong, it has the potential to break *everything*. Anything special I need to do here? And, coming full circle, if I do this upgrade before the kernel upgrade, do I still need to use the "bunk" versions of the various 2.4 utilities,[2] or can I just use the versions from testing? TIA, as always. -sbigham [1] http://www.xfree86.org/4.1.0/Status21.html#21> [2] http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/kernel-24.html>
Req. advice on upgrades: kernel, X, libc
This is, I humbly submit, at least partially on-topic for this list, ;) since the machine I'm thinking about upgrading is my notebook, and at least some of the questions are laptop-specific. Anywho, these are the upgrades I'm considering: - kernel: 2.2.19 -> 2.4.9 My understanding from previous discussions on this topic is that the PCMCIA kernel modules in 2.4 are NRFPT (or has this changed in 2.4.9?), and that I will therefore need to build and install the pcmcia-cs modules in the same manner that I did for 2.2.x, after which I will presumably have exactly the same PCMCIA functionality that I have now. There's also the issue of whether to compile in framebuffer support, in light of: - XFree86: 3.3.6 -> 4.1.0 My notebook is a Toshiba Portege 7020CT, which has a NeoMagic NM2200 video chip. The XFree86 site lists this chip as "Support (accelerated)" in 4.1.0;[1] do I lose the acceleration if I use the framebuffer? There's also the question of the XF86Config changes; is there a utility to convert an old 3.3.6 config file to the new syntax? Of course, unless I want to download a ~50MB tarball and recompile all of X from first principles, I first have to upgrade: - libc6: 2.1.3 -> 2.2.3 This is the one that's really got me worried. I mean, if this goes wrong, it has the potential to break *everything*. Anything special I need to do here? And, coming full circle, if I do this upgrade before the kernel upgrade, do I still need to use the "bunk" versions of the various 2.4 utilities,[2] or can I just use the versions from testing? TIA, as always. -sbigham [1] http://www.xfree86.org/4.1.0/Status21.html#21> [2] http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/kernel-24.html> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
