Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-04-10 Thread dam
Hello

Actually I am sending this again, I was using a different mail reader 
and it seems I didn't send to group, just some guy who quoted me
here(without the full content and/or the context of the earlier note),
so . . .

> - Original Message - 
> From: Scott Ferguson  
> -hv said: 
> >> I think that you need to get root password. 
> >> You maybe better to reinstall the whole thing 
> Scott Ferguson said: 
> *If* Tina had the root password she wouldn't need to rebuild everything. 
> Yes I agree. *If* Tina had the root password, she could probably fix
> it quite easily.  But now she doesn't have it.

> So maybe best to reinstall everything.
 
... 
> knowing the root password. (If I knew how to find the root password,
> I wouldn't tell it here.)
 
> -hv
  
Hello, 
I have been following this for a while, and i have to chime in... 
 
Noone needs to reinstall for lack of root.  there are several easy
alternatives, been using for years...  - if you are booting using
grub, and it is not password protected, you can edit your boot command
line by hitting the option to edit, and just put init=/bin/bash at the
end and it will throw you into a prompt right away, then you mount -a
and you can just type passwd root and enter a new password.  -if you
can't get into grub, you can download a cd/dvd live image like knoppix
or debian live, boot using that, mount the partition that your
installed linux is on, chroot into it, and type passwd root.  umount,
reboot, and your done...  -you can burn a grub boot floppy and boot
from it even if your installed grub does not let you edit the bootargs
without a password.  ... depends on the distro installed what level of
security naziism is set up, but you can always get in without the root
password with a little research and attention to details.

heres a link to do from back in the lilo days: 
http://linuxgazette.net/107/tomar.html 

... heres one for RHEL 
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/forgot-root-password-for-
redhat-enterprise-linux-393172/ 

... here is one of my favorite "rescue" floppies (which you can use from usb 
also for newer mach if u have no floppy drive 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomsrtbt 

... here is a debian link: 
http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/root.htm 
 
... the list goes on, web searching on "forgot root linux" if you are
not happy with above solutions. 
 
And, i guess you could reinstall and claim it's "easier" but the
person who installed it originally probably spend some time to get
everything tweaked like sound and such, flash, possibly installed
software that you would have to redo hours/days of work to get back to
what was already there.  so an hour to install, possibly days to
tweak/modify to your satisfaction, or a few minutes of reading and a
few minutes of actual admin.  Your choice.  
I have been watching this email trail progress for over a week already.  
Have Fun!
 
Dave Moscrip, 
unix/linux sysadmin 
 
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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-04-05 Thread Hannu Virtanen
of course  you can do it without reinstalling all 

and you can do all the things without knowing the password. 


(I was not willing to write here all the ways to give all the commands 

without knowing the password. So that every ten years old guy can find *just 
here* 

all the ways how to destroy  all the debian os they happen to find... Of course 
they can find 

all the information in the net, but they need some time and persistence to find 
it. )  


---


And it is of course possible, even probable  

that the machine needed some tweaking to
get everything working... 


But who needs to get *everything* working?  

I think that what is needed first is to get the net working. 

And it seems that now the user of the machine doesn't even know 

the person, who installed it... 


And I think that it better that the user knows most of the needed things 

herself so that she is not so much in the need of help from somebody else 

if something goes wrong. 

That is just my opinion, I know that many people disagree.   

 
-hv 



- Original Message -
From: "[email protected]" 


Hello,

I have been following this for a while, and i have to chime in...

...

...  the person who installed it originally probably spend some time to get 
everything tweaked like sound and such, flash, possibly installed software that 
you would have to redo hours/days of work to get back to what was already 
there.  

Dave Moscrip,
unix/linux sysadmin 

Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-04-03 Thread Hannu Virtanen
a good idea in my opinion.

-hv



- Original Message -
From: Ruperto Mendiones 

I'm late to this thread and don't fully know the specs of the laptop in
question.

But.. if Tina can boot from a cd, could she use Knoppix  to identify a
hardware problem vs a software one?

Ruperto


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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-04-03 Thread Ruperto Mendiones
I'm late to this thread and don't fully know the specs of the laptop in
question.

But.. if Tina can boot from a cd, could she use Knoppix  to identify a
hardware problem vs a software one?

Ruperto


On Tue, 2012-04-03 at 11:45 -0700, Hannu Virtanen wrote:
> --
> 
> some clarifications:  
> 
> ---
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Hannu Virtanen 
> 
> Of course everybody understands to backup the important files if reinstalling 
> the whole computer? 
> 
> This is just a computer, not a house; to  ('install' was dropped off...) a 
> debian system is normally not a big thing. 
> If the machine has got some parts, which are not working with the standard 
> configuration, then it might become difficult... 
> 
> --
> I think that if the machine cannot now transfer Tina's texts into the net, it 
> is now merely 
> a text editor? 
> 
> And the important files in the machine are text files? 
> 
> By installing the whole thing herself one can get much more command over the 
> machine 
> than leaving that to somebody else... 
> 
> Installing is really not much more difficult than using common installed 
> programs. 
> Debian installation  is nowadays really well made.  
> 
> I've used debian with my computers already something like 15 years. 
> I'm not any kind of specialist with computers, but you learn by doing the 
> things. 
> 
> I've realized that many people are just too much afraid of the machines. 
> 
> If some things don't work within the installation, Tina maybe needs help from 
> somebody. 
> -  
> 
> 
One more thing: Tina: have you checked at your 'firefox' that it (=firefox) 
> for sure allows the net connection? 
> Please look at 'file' column. 
> 
> --
> We really know very little, where the problem lies... 
> 
> I agree with Scott Ferguson, that all this requires a lot of guessing. 
> But what else can we do? 
> -
> 
> -hv
> 
> --
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 2:47 PM EEST Scott Ferguson wrote:
> 
> 
> >Maybe - but without hearing from Tina we're just guessing. And a
> >scenario where reinstalling "fixes things" requires a lot of guessing.
> 
> 


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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-04-03 Thread Hannu Virtanen
--

some clarifications:  

---


- Original Message -
From: Hannu Virtanen 

Of course everybody understands to backup the important files if reinstalling 
the whole computer? 

This is just a computer, not a house; to  ('install' was dropped off...) a 
debian system is normally not a big thing. 
If the machine has got some parts, which are not working with the standard 
configuration, then it might become difficult... 

--
I think that if the machine cannot now transfer Tina's texts into the net, it 
is now merely 
a text editor? 

And the important files in the machine are text files? 

By installing the whole thing herself one can get much more command over the 
machine 
than leaving that to somebody else... 

Installing is really not much more difficult than using common installed 
programs. 
Debian installation  is nowadays really well made.  

I've used debian with my computers already something like 15 years. 
I'm not any kind of specialist with computers, but you learn by doing the 
things. 

I've realized that many people are just too much afraid of the machines. 

If some things don't work within the installation, Tina maybe needs help from 
somebody. 
-  


One more thing: Tina: have you checked at your 'firefox' that it (=firefox) 
for sure allows the net connection? 
Please look at 'file' column. 

--
We really know very little, where the problem lies... 

I agree with Scott Ferguson, that all this requires a lot of guessing. 
But what else can we do? 
-

-hv

--
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 2:47 PM EEST Scott Ferguson wrote:


>Maybe - but without hearing from Tina we're just guessing. And a
>scenario where reinstalling "fixes things" requires a lot of guessing.


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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-04-03 Thread Hannu Virtanen

Just now I'm with a mobile and will not write long. 
Of course everybody understands to backup the important files if reinstalling 
the whole computer? This is just a computer, not a house; to  a debian system 
is normally not a big thing. 
If the machine has got some parts, which are not working with the standard 
configuration, then it might befome difficult... 
One more thing: Tina: have 
you checked at your 'firefox' that it for sure allows the net connection? 
Please look at 'file' column.  -hv

--
 On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 2:47 PM EEST Scott Ferguson wrote:
 
 >On 03/04/12 20:44, Hannu Virtanen wrote:
 >> 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> - Original Message -
 >> From: Scott Ferguson 
 >> 
 >> -hv said: 
 >> 
 >>> I think that you need to get root password.
 >>> You maybe better to reinstall the whole thing
 >> 
 >> Scott Ferguson said: 
 >> 
 >> *If* Tina had the root password she wouldn't need to rebuild everything.
 >> 
 >> -
 >> 
 >> Yes I agree. *If* Tina had the root password, she could probably fix it 
 >> quite easily.� 
 >> But now she doesn't have it. 
 >> 
 >> So maybe best to reinstall everything. 
 >
 >Maybe - but without hearing from Tina we're just guessing. And a
 >scenario where reinstalling "fixes things" requires a lot of guessing.
 >
 >Guessing that either Tina doesn't have anything to back up, or does and
 >has somewhere to backup to (and knows how to perform backups).
 >
 >Guessing that Tina knows how to install and configure GNU/Linux on that
 >laptop - and has both the time and the motivation.
 >
 >Certainly I don't know how long she's had the laptop, or why she can't
 >either get support or the root password from the system builder.
 >
 >> 
 >> I think that it is not configured the right way. 
 >
 >That "appears" to be the case - though I suspect she either needs to
 >configure WPA(2) and/or needs the name of her local (home) network and a
 >password.
 >
 >
 >> And if she would reinstall everything wlan would start working. 
 >
 >Maybe. Big maybe. If the home network requires a password that she
 >doesn't currently know, then she still won't be able to connect.
 >
 >
 >> The machine seems not to be old or broken. 
 >
 >I'm guessing it's not broken. It's definitely not very old, and will
 >connect to most current wireless networks.
 >
 >> 
 >> And while reinstalling it she could give to it such a root password, which 
 >> she would remember. 
 >
 >Perhaps.
 >
 >> 
 >> Somebody made a problem to give the machine away without giving 
 >> the root password with it. 
 >
 >Maybe. Unless the client specifies needing the root password *and*
 >doesn't want a support contract - I don't give them the root password.
 >
 >> It is difficult to configure it without knowing the root 
 >> password. 
 >
 >No. Only if the user isn't in sudoers. That 'may' be the case but I'm
 >not certain of it yet.
 >
 >(If I knew how to find the root password, I wouldn't tell it here.)
 >
 >I hear that a lot - and it's always wrong.
 >
 >Do you believe if you knew where the root password was (/etc/shadow) you
 >should keep it a secret so that no-one knew? Seriously?
 >
 >What happens when you can't remember your password? Do you just
 >re-install? That might be OK if you never do any actual work, but what
 >about when that password is required for places where people do need
 >work? What happens when the sysadmin gets hit by a car? What happens
 >when the sysadmin can't remember the password? Someone with physical
 >acccess to the machine uses one of four methods to become root and
 >changes the root password. (or some with a nice exploit kit gains access
 >and elevates their privileges, in a happy land were unicorns romp in
 >chocolate meadows)
 >
 >If you lose your door key do you build a new house? Do you think if I
 >tell you how to get into your house without a key I'll be encouraging
 >burglars?
 >
 >
 >> 
 >> -hv
 >> 
 >> 
 >
 >
 >Kind regards
 >
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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-04-03 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 03/04/12 20:44, Hannu Virtanen wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Scott Ferguson 
> 
> -hv said: 
> 
>>> I think that you need to get root password.
>>> You maybe better to reinstall the whole thing
> 
> Scott Ferguson said: 
> 
> *If* Tina had the root password she wouldn't need to rebuild everything.
> 
> -
> 
> Yes I agree. *If* Tina had the root password, she could probably fix it quite 
> easily.� 
> But now she doesn't have it. 
> 
> So maybe best to reinstall everything. 

Maybe - but without hearing from Tina we're just guessing. And a
scenario where reinstalling "fixes things" requires a lot of guessing.

Guessing that either Tina doesn't have anything to back up, or does and
has somewhere to backup to (and knows how to perform backups).

Guessing that Tina knows how to install and configure GNU/Linux on that
laptop - and has both the time and the motivation.

Certainly I don't know how long she's had the laptop, or why she can't
either get support or the root password from the system builder.

> 
> I think that it is not configured the right way. 

That "appears" to be the case - though I suspect she either needs to
configure WPA(2) and/or needs the name of her local (home) network and a
password.


> And if she would reinstall everything wlan would start working. 

Maybe. Big maybe. If the home network requires a password that she
doesn't currently know, then she still won't be able to connect.


> The machine seems not to be old or broken. 

I'm guessing it's not broken. It's definitely not very old, and will
connect to most current wireless networks.

> 
> And while reinstalling it she could give to it such a root password, which 
> she would remember. 

Perhaps.

> 
> Somebody made a problem to give the machine away without giving 
> the root password with it. 

Maybe. Unless the client specifies needing the root password *and*
doesn't want a support contract - I don't give them the root password.

> It is difficult to configure it without knowing the root 
> password. 

No. Only if the user isn't in sudoers. That 'may' be the case but I'm
not certain of it yet.

(If I knew how to find the root password, I wouldn't tell it here.)

I hear that a lot - and it's always wrong.

Do you believe if you knew where the root password was (/etc/shadow) you
should keep it a secret so that no-one knew? Seriously?

What happens when you can't remember your password? Do you just
re-install?  That might be OK if you never do any actual work, but what
about when that password is required for places where people do need
work? What happens when the sysadmin gets hit by a car? What happens
when the sysadmin can't remember the password?  Someone with physical
acccess to the machine uses one of four methods to become root and
changes the root password. (or some with a nice exploit kit gains access
and elevates their privileges, in a happy land were unicorns romp in
chocolate meadows)

If you lose your door key do you build a new house? Do you think if I
tell you how to get into your house without a key I'll be encouraging
burglars?


> 
> -hv
> 
> 


Kind regards

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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-04-03 Thread Hannu Virtanen




- Original Message -
From: Scott Ferguson 

-hv said: 

>> I think that you need to get root password.
>> You maybe better to reinstall the whole thing

Scott Ferguson said: 

*If* Tina had the root password she wouldn't need to rebuild everything.

-

Yes I agree. *If* Tina had the root password, she could probably fix it quite 
easily.  
But now she doesn't have it. 

So maybe best to reinstall everything. 

I think that it is not configured the right way. 
And if she would reinstall everything wlan would start working. 
The machine seems not to be old or broken. 

And while reinstalling it she could give to it such a root password, which 
she would remember. 

Somebody made a problem to give the machine away without giving 
the root password with it. It is difficult to configure it without knowing the 
root 
password. (If I knew how to find the root password, I wouldn't tell it here.) 

-hv



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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-04-02 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 02/04/12 23:27, Roshan George wrote:
> Even if you know the root password, 

If you took the time to politely *read* the thread you'll see that the
root password is not know.


> 
> 
> On 4/2/12, Hannu Virtanen  wrote:
>>
>> Ii think that you need to get root password.
>> You maybe better to reinstall the whole thing


*If* Tina had the root password she wouldn't need to rebuild everything.



>> --
>>  On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:54 AM EEST tina braxton wrote:
>>




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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-04-02 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 02/04/12 07:54, tina braxton wrote:
> 
> Thank you for all your ideas.  I have now tried all the suggestions for
> sudo.  Result is "permission denied"

That's not a lot of detail Tina, and "permission denied" is not what
should have happened.

Example of what "should" have happened:-

tina@laptop:~$ sudo ifconfig

We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System
Administrator. It usually boils down to these three things:

#1) Respect the privacy of others.
#2) Think before you type.
#3) With great power comes great responsibility.

[sudo] password for tina: I_can't_remember
Sorry, try again.
[sudo] password for tina: I_still_can't_remember
Sorry, try again.
[sudo] password for tina: I_give_up
Sorry, try again.
^Z
sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts



In the above (example) case you need to create a password for yourself:-

tina@laptop:~$ passwd
Changing password for tina.
(current) UNIX password: (added nothing here because it turns out I
don't have one)
Enter new UNIX password: something
Retype new UNIX password: something
Password changed



> 
> Tried visudo.  It said something about "You have probably been given the
> usual lecture about ..." Then it let me give myself a password.  I
> thought this would be a root password,

No, it's just "your" password.

>  so I tried it out by attempting
> to correct the clock, which is not set for my timezone.  It did not
> work-it said the password was invalid.


To set root's password:-
$ sudo su root
# passwd

> 
> I also tried the command starting with "dig>>".  This was an
> unrecognizable command.
> 
> Command starting with "cat" was also unrecognizable

This is very unusual.

Please copy and paste the exact commands you entered, and the responses.
Instead of going into terminal mode using Ctrl+Alt+F2 (now that we know
you're running GNOME) - just use GNOME-terminal instead


> 
> In answer to the question about what my laptop uses to connect to the
> internet, it uses Network Manager.

Thanks

> 
> Somebody said he has an old laptop, perhaps a vintage like mine, 

Your laptop is not particularly old, the network card in it will support
all modern wireless networks.

> and it does not support wlan networks.  

That information is incorrect.

I suspect that might be what I have at
> home.

Your problem is most likely that it isn't configured for WPA, that is
fixable.



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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-04-02 Thread Hannu Virtanen

Ii think that you need to get root password. 
You maybe better to reinstall the whole thing... debian cds are very cheap. -hv 
--
 On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:54 AM EEST tina braxton wrote:
 
 >
 >
 >Thank you for all your ideas.  I have now tried all the suggestions for 
 >sudo.  Result is "permission denied"
 >
 >Tried visudo.  It said something about "You have probably been given the 
 >usual lecture about ..." Then it let me give myself a password.  I thought 
 >this would be a root password, so I tried it out by attempting to correct the 
 >clock, which is not set for my timezone.  It did not work-it said the 
 >password was invalid.
 >
 >I also tried the command starting with "dig>".  This was an unrecognizable 
 >command.
 >
 >Command starting with "cat" was also unrecognizable
 >
 >
 >In answer to the question about what my laptop uses to connect to the 
 >internet, it uses Network Manager.
 >
 >Somebody said he has an old laptop, perhaps a vintage like mine, and it does 
 >not support wlan networks.  I suspect that might be what I have at home.
 >
 >
 >
 >


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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-04-01 Thread tina braxton


Thank you for all your ideas.  I have now tried all the suggestions for sudo.  
Result is "permission denied"

Tried visudo.  It said something about "You have probably been given the usual 
lecture about ..." Then it let me give myself a password.  I thought this would 
be a root password, so I tried it out by attempting to correct the clock, which 
is not set for my timezone.  It did not work-it said the password was invalid.

I also tried the command starting with "dig>>".  This was an unrecognizable 
command.

Command starting with "cat" was also unrecognizable


In answer to the question about what my laptop uses to connect to the internet, 
it uses Network Manager.

Somebody said he has an old laptop, perhaps a vintage like mine, and it does 
not support wlan networks.  I suspect that might be what I have at home.





Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-03-29 Thread Hannu Virtanen
hi, 

I think that you should get the laptop somewhere with 
an ethernet connection available and update the whole operating system first. 

You should make it sure that the programs needed for the wireless a
connection are installed. Please install other browser besides iceweasel, too. 
Epiphany is one option. 

I'm seldom using any wlan connections, because this old laptop I'm normally 
using doesn't have that hardware, but I see that with my other laptop it is 
available and works with debian out of the box... 

To update the operating system you need to work as 'root' Do you know the root 
password? 

with best, 

-hv
 
--- On Thu, 3/29/12, tina braxton  wrote:

From: tina braxton 
Subject: Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop
To: "Hannu Virtanen" , 
"[email protected]" 
Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 12:11 AM

The laptop connects directly to the internet without any additional program  
(unless it doesn't).  I don't have any internet service on my cellphone.  I 
tried it, before I got the laptop, but it was so slow, everything always timed 
out.  

 
The only browser the laptop has is Iceweasel.  I tried to download Firefox, but 
could not install it.  It kept asking for the root.



From: Hannu Virtanen 
To: tina braxton ; Scott Ferguson 
; "[email protected]" 
 
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop





hello, 


please tell, which program you are using 
to connect the laptop in the net. 


or is it automatically connected after you boot it? 


have you tried other browsers besides iceweasel? 



with best, 


-hv


p.s. i'm myself using about 8 years old hp laptop and a sony ericsson mobile 
phone to connect the laptop into the net.   the program used is wvdial. 





From: tina braxton 
To: Scott Ferguson ; 
"[email protected]"  
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop










From: Scott Ferguson 
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop


On 22/03/12 08:40, tina braxton wrote:
> I received a donated laptop about two years ago. It is an older
> model--an Acer Travel Mate 2480-2779. It has Debian software, including
> Iceweasel browser 3.5.9. 
>  
> Build identifier, in case you need it, is Mozilla /5.0 (XII; U; Linux
> i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko /20100501 Iceweasel/ 3.5.9 (like Firefox/
> 3.5.9)
>  
> My problem is that Iceweasel simply does not work at all with most of
> the wireless services I have encountered. I don't get any error message.
> I just get something that says Iceweasel cannot locate the page. This is
> consistent with every URL I try to bring up.

Can you connect to the internet elsewhere (eg. from home or work)?

ie. Does the problem with Iceweasel *only* happen on wireless
 networks?

Since the phone connection port on this very old laptop does not work, and I 
have not found anyplace to use my ethernet cable (I was told the ethernet port 
works), the only option is to use wireless.  I can't use the wireless 
available where I live, because, although the computer connects to it (it says 
"you are now connected"), Iceweasel does not function with this connection.  
I'm not sure why--it simply acts as though there was no internet connection.  I 
work from home (I'm a writer), so there is no other office connection.  What 
I've been doing is writing my articles on the laptop at home, and then taking 
it to a library or cafe to post the finished article.  This is a big problem.  
The laptop is quite heavy, I'm older and not very vigorous, and my only 
transport is walking.  Also, for about half the
 year, the weather here is either too hot or too cold to take the laptop 
outdoors for extended periods.  So I need to be able to use it at home, with 
the wireless connection that is there.  Putting my work on a disc and bringing 
the disc to the library is not a workable solution, since most of the library 
computers, like the one I'm using now, don't have working disc drives.
>  
> I have to use it mostly public wireless services, at libraries, coffee
> shops, etc. I have tried a few connections at my friends' homes as well.
> Usually, I get a "bars" icon and a message that says I am connected to
> the wireless network. But Iceweasel doesn't do anything at all.
>  
> The person who prepared the laptop for me told me this might happen
> sometimes, and I would have to configure something. But he did not tell
> me how, nor can I find any instructions or anything on the desktop
 for
> this purpose. Also, I do not have the root or admin passwords and have
> not been able to get them.

Probably not necessary

Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-03-29 Thread Rares Aioanei

On 03/29/2012 12:11 AM, tina braxton wrote:
The laptop connects directly to the internet without any additional 
program  (unless it doesn't).  I don't have any internet service on my 
cellphone.  I tried it, before I got the laptop, but it was so slow, 
everything always timed out.
The only browser the laptop has is Iceweasel.  I tried to download 
Firefox, but could not install it.  It kept asking for the root.

Iceweasel IS Firefox, rebranded.

*

*-- 
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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-03-28 Thread tina braxton
The laptop connects directly to the internet without any additional program  
(unless it doesn't).  I don't have any internet service on my cellphone.  I 
tried it, before I got the laptop, but it was so slow, everything always timed 
out.  

 
The only browser the laptop has is Iceweasel.  I tried to download Firefox, but 
could not install it.  It kept asking for the root.


From: Hannu Virtanen 
To: tina braxton ; Scott Ferguson 
; "[email protected]" 
 
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop


hello, 

please tell, which program you are using 
to connect the laptop in the net. 

or is it automatically connected after you boot it? 

have you tried other browsers besides iceweasel? 


with best, 

-hv

p.s. i'm myself using about 8 years old hp laptop and a sony ericsson mobile 
phone to connect the laptop into the net.   the program used is wvdial. 



From: tina braxton 
To: Scott Ferguson ; 
"[email protected]"  
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop





From: Scott Ferguson 
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop


On 22/03/12 08:40, tina braxton wrote:
> I received a donated laptop about two years ago. It is an older
> model--an Acer Travel Mate 2480-2779. It has Debian software, including
> Iceweasel browser 3.5.9. 
>  
> Build identifier, in case you need it, is Mozilla /5.0 (XII; U; Linux
> i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko /20100501 Iceweasel/ 3.5.9 (like Firefox/
> 3.5.9)
>  
> My problem is that Iceweasel simply does not work at all with most of
> the wireless services I have encountered. I don't get any error message.
> I just get something that says Iceweasel cannot locate the page. This is
> consistent with every URL I try to bring up.

Can you connect to the internet elsewhere (eg. from home or work)?

ie. Does the problem with Iceweasel *only* happen on wireless networks?

Since the phone connection port on this very old laptop does not work, and I 
have not found anyplace to use my ethernet cable (I was told the ethernet port 
works), the only option is to use wireless.  I can't use the wireless 
available where I live, because, although the computer connects to it (it says 
"you are now connected"), Iceweasel does not function with this connection.  
I'm not sure why--it simply acts as though there was no internet connection.  I 
work from home (I'm a writer), so there is no other office connection.  What 
I've been doing is writing my articles on the laptop at home, and then taking 
it to a library or cafe to post the finished article.  This is a big problem.  
The laptop is quite heavy, I'm older and not very vigorous, and my only 
transport is walking.  Also, for about half the year, the weather here is 
either too hot or too cold to take the laptop outdoors for extended periods.  
So I need to be able to use it at
 home, with the wireless connection that is there.  Putting my work on a disc 
and bringing the disc to the library is not a workable solution, since most of 
the library computers, like the one I'm using now, don't have working disc 
drives.
>  
> I have to use it mostly public wireless services, at libraries, coffee
> shops, etc. I have tried a few connections at my friends' homes as well.
> Usually, I get a "bars" icon and a message that says I am connected to
> the wireless network. But Iceweasel doesn't do anything at all.
>  
> The person who prepared the laptop for me told me this might happen
> sometimes, and I would have to configure something. But he did not tell
> me how, nor can I find any instructions or anything on the desktop for
> this purpose. Also, I do not have the root or admin passwords and have
> not been able to get them.

Probably not necessary. But trivial problems to solve if necessary.
I tried to replace the programming by running an Ubuntu disc.  A friend 
recommended this.  When I put in the disc, it asked for the root and would do 
nothing without it.  I'm sure it would do the same if I had a disc with a newer 
version of Debian.  Actually, getting the root and admin passwords would make 
this thing easier to use in a lot of other ways.  Without them, it will not 
install anything at all, not even updates.

>  
> I would appreciate any instructions or advice on how to fix this
> problem. Please use simple language--I am still learning.
>  
> Thanks very much.

Let me know if you can browse at all using Iceweasel, and we can then
determine which direction to go for you to browse the internet using
wireless.

In the places where, for whatever reason, I

Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-03-25 Thread Hannu Virtanen
hello, 

please tell, which program you are using 
to connect the laptop in the net. 

or is it automatically connected after you boot it? 

have you tried other browsers besides iceweasel? 


with best, 

-hv

p.s. i'm myself using about 8 years old hp laptop and a sony ericsson mobile 
phone to connect the laptop into the net.   the program used is wvdial. 



 From: tina braxton 
To: Scott Ferguson ; 
"[email protected]"  
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop
 




From: Scott Ferguson 
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop


On 22/03/12 08:40, tina braxton wrote:
> I received a donated laptop about two years ago. It is an older
> model--an Acer Travel Mate 2480-2779. It has Debian software, including
> Iceweasel browser 3.5.9. 
>  
> Build identifier, in case you need it, is Mozilla /5.0 (XII; U; Linux
> i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko /20100501 Iceweasel/ 3.5.9 (like Firefox/
> 3.5.9)
>  
> My problem is that Iceweasel simply does not work at all with most of
> the wireless services I have encountered. I don't get any error message.
> I just get something that says Iceweasel cannot locate the page. This is
> consistent with every URL I try to bring up.

Can you connect to the internet elsewhere (eg. from home or work)?

ie. Does the problem with Iceweasel
 *only* happen on wireless networks?

Since the phone connection port on this very old laptop does not work, and I 
have not found anyplace to use my ethernet cable (I was told the ethernet port 
works), the only option is to use wireless.  I can't use the wireless 
available where I live, because, although the computer connects to it (it says 
"you are now connected"), Iceweasel does not function with this connection.  
I'm not sure why--it simply acts as though there was no internet connection.  I 
work from home (I'm a writer), so there is no other office connection.  What 
I've been doing is writing my articles on the laptop at home, and then taking 
it to a library or cafe to post the finished article.  This is a big problem.  
The laptop is quite heavy, I'm older and not very vigorous, and my only 
transport is walking.  Also, for about half the year, the weather here is 
either too hot or too cold to take the laptop outdoors for extended periods.  
So I need to be able to use it at
 home, with the wireless connection that is there.  Putting my work on a disc 
and bringing the disc to the library is not a workable solution, since most of 
the library computers, like the one I'm using now, don't have working disc 
drives.
>  
> I have to use it mostly public wireless services, at libraries, coffee
> shops, etc. I have tried a few connections at my friends' homes as well.
> Usually, I get a "bars" icon and a message that says I am connected to
> the wireless network. But Iceweasel doesn't do anything at all.
>  
> The person who prepared the laptop for me told me this might happen
> sometimes, and I would have to configure something. But he did not tell
> me how,
 nor can I find any instructions or anything on the desktop for
> this purpose. Also, I do not have the root or admin passwords and have
> not been able to get them.

Probably not necessary. But trivial problems to solve if necessary.
I tried to replace the programming by running an Ubuntu disc.  A friend 
recommended this.  When I put in the disc, it asked for the root and would do 
nothing without it.  I'm sure it would do the same if I had a disc with a newer 
version of Debian.  Actually, getting the root and admin passwords would make 
this thing easier to use in a lot of other ways.  Without them, it will not 
install anything at all, not even updates.

>  
> I would appreciate any instructions or advice on how to fix this
> problem. Please use simple language--I am still learning.
>  
> Thanks very much.

Let me know if you can browse at all using Iceweasel, and we can then
determine which direction to go for you to browse the internet
 using
wireless.
 
In the places where, for whatever reason, Iceweasel works, I have had no 
problem browsing with it.  I don't know why it works in some places and not in 
others, but where it works, it works perfectly.  The problem is, it seems not 
to like most of the internet connections where it would be best for me to work, 
including the one where I live.

Kind regards

Thank you very much for your help.
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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-03-25 Thread xavier limodin
>
> 3. Type the following and then press "Enter":-
>
> sudo ifconfig > /home/$username/results
>
> NOTE: you need to substitute the "username" shown in the "prompt" for
> $username
>
> eg.:-
> sudo ifconfig > /home/tina/Results
>

Hi Tina,

In a place where you can't browse, you should use

"/sbin/ifconfig >> /home/tina/Results"

"/sbin/iwconfig >> /home/tina/Results"

and check name server config with :

"cat /etc/resolv.conf >> /home/tina/Results"

"dig  >> /home/tina/Results"

Connect to the internet where it works

5.  Go to your Yahoo email account, login, find this post, open it, and
Reply.

6. You'll find a file called Results in your home directory. Paste it
into your reply to this post.


Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-03-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/03/12 09:44, tina braxton wrote:
> 
> 
> *From:* Scott Ferguson 
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2012 11:08 PM
> *Subject:* Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop
> 
> On 22/03/12 08:40, tina braxton wrote:
>> I received a donated laptop about two years ago. It is an older
>> model--an Acer Travel Mate 2480-2779. It has Debian software, including
>> Iceweasel browser 3.5.9.
>> 
>> Build identifier, in case you need it, is Mozilla /5.0 (XII; U; Linux
>> i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko /20100501 Iceweasel/ 3.5.9 (like Firefox/
>> 3.5.9)
>> 
>> My problem is that Iceweasel simply does not work at all with most of
>> the wireless services I have encountered. I don't get any error message.
>> I just get something that says Iceweasel cannot locate the page. This is
>> consistent with every URL I try to bring up.
> 
> Can you connect to the internet elsewhere (eg. from home or work)?
> 
> ie. Does the problem with Iceweasel *only* happen on wireless networks?


> Since the phone connection port on this very old laptop does not work,

OK. The modem is a separate issue.


> and I have not found anyplace to use my ethernet cable (I was told the
> ethernet port works),

Also separate issue, but good to know.

> the only option is to use wireless.  

OK.



> This is a big problem. 

Understood.

> The laptop is quite heavy, I'm older and not very vigorous, and my only
> transport is walking.  Also, for about half the year, the weather here
> is either too hot or too cold to take the laptop outdoors for extended
> periods.  So I need to be able to use it at home, with the wireless
> connection that is there.  

OK.



> I tried to replace the programming by running an Ubuntu disc.  A friend
> recommended this.  When I put in the disc, it asked for the root and
> would do nothing without it. 


If you're already familiar with this operating system - best to fix the
one thing that doesn't work instead of installing another, "hoping"
everything will work, and then having to learn again.


> I'm sure it would do the same if I had a
> disc with a newer version of Debian. 

You are correct. And it's unnecessary.



>  
> In the places where, for whatever reason, Iceweasel works, I have had no
> problem browsing with it. 



Excellent, it would be more difficult is it didn't connect anywhere, and
you've given some clues as to why it's not connecting.



Q. Do you know what desktop environment is running on your laptop?
GNOME, KDE, XFCE are several possibilities.

Q. Do you know what program is being used to make the wireless connection?
Wikcd and Network Manager are some possibilities.

If you the answer to those questions it doesn't matter, there are other
ways to find out.


When you are somewhere that your laptop can connect to the internet try
the following:-

1. Connect to the internet (test by loading a webpage in Iceweasel)

2. Switch to "console mode" by holding down both the "Ctrl" and "Alt"
keys and pressing the "F2" key.

You should then be looking at a black screen with white letters. The
"prompt" should show your "username" and "machinename".
The format is (usually) username@machinename:workingdirectory$
eg.:-
scott@work:~$
or
tina@laptop:~$

3. Type the following and then press "Enter":-

sudo ifconfig > /home/$username/results

NOTE: you need to substitute the "username" shown in the "prompt" for
$username

eg.:-
sudo ifconfig > /home/tina/Results

4.  Switch back to your normal desktop by holding down both the "Ctrl"
and "Alt" keys and pressing the "F7" key.

5.  Go to your Yahoo email account, login, find this post, open it, and
Reply.

6. You'll find a file called Results in your home directory. Paste it
into your reply to this post.



If you have problems or question please ask.



NOTE: If you look at the bottom of the page:-
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#HowTo_send_plain_text_emails_to_the_list
you'll see I given instruction on how to send plain text posts from Yahoo.

Kind regards

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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-03-24 Thread tina braxton





From: Scott Ferguson 
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop


On 22/03/12 08:40, tina braxton wrote:
> I received a donated laptop about two years ago. It is an older
> model--an Acer Travel Mate 2480-2779. It has Debian software, including
> Iceweasel browser 3.5.9. 
>  
> Build identifier, in case you need it, is Mozilla /5.0 (XII; U; Linux
> i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko /20100501 Iceweasel/ 3.5.9 (like Firefox/
> 3.5.9)
>  
> My problem is that Iceweasel simply does not work at all with most of
> the wireless services I have encountered. I don't get any error message.
> I just get something that says Iceweasel cannot locate the page. This is
> consistent with every URL I try to bring up.

Can you connect to the internet elsewhere (eg. from home or work)?

ie. Does the problem with Iceweasel *only* happen on wireless networks?

Since the phone connection port on this very old laptop does not work, and I 
have not found anyplace to use my ethernet cable (I was told the ethernet port 
works), the only option is to use wireless.  I can't use the wireless 
available where I live, because, although the computer connects to it (it says 
"you are now connected"), Iceweasel does not function with this connection.  
I'm not sure why--it simply acts as though there was no internet connection.  I 
work from home (I'm a writer), so there is no other office connection.  What 
I've been doing is writing my articles on the laptop at home, and then taking 
it to a library or cafe to post the finished article.  This is a big problem.  
The laptop is quite heavy, I'm older and not very vigorous, and my only 
transport is walking.  Also, for about half the year, the weather here is 
either too hot or too cold to take the laptop outdoors for extended periods.  
So I need to be able to use it at
 home, with the wireless connection that is there.  Putting my work on a disc 
and bringing the disc to the library is not a workable solution, since most of 
the library computers, like the one I'm using now, don't have working disc 
drives.
>  
> I have to use it mostly public wireless services, at libraries, coffee
> shops, etc. I have tried a few connections at my friends' homes as well.
> Usually, I get a "bars" icon and a message that says I am connected to
> the wireless network. But Iceweasel doesn't do anything at all.
>  
> The person who prepared the laptop for me told me this might happen
> sometimes, and I would have to configure something. But he did not tell
> me how, nor can I find any instructions or anything on the desktop for
> this purpose. Also, I do not have the root or admin passwords and have
> not been able to get them.

Probably not necessary. But trivial problems to solve if necessary.
I tried to replace the programming by running an Ubuntu disc.  A friend 
recommended this.  When I put in the disc, it asked for the root and would do 
nothing without it.  I'm sure it would do the same if I had a disc with a newer 
version of Debian.  Actually, getting the root and admin passwords would make 
this thing easier to use in a lot of other ways.  Without them, it will not 
install anything at all, not even updates.

>  
> I would appreciate any instructions or advice on how to fix this
> problem. Please use simple language--I am still learning.
>  
> Thanks very much.

Let me know if you can browse at all using Iceweasel, and we can then
determine which direction to go for you to browse the internet using
wireless.

In the places where, for whatever reason, Iceweasel works, I have had no 
problem browsing with it.  I don't know why it works in some places and not in 
others, but where it works, it works perfectly.  The problem is, it seems not 
to like most of the internet connections where it would be best for me to work, 
including the one where I live.

Kind regards

Thank you very much for your help.
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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-03-21 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 22/03/12 08:40, tina braxton wrote:
> I received a donated laptop about two years ago. It is an older
> model--an Acer Travel Mate 2480-2779. It has Debian software, including
> Iceweasel browser 3.5.9. 
>  
> Build identifier, in case you need it, is Mozilla /5.0 (XII; U; Linux
> i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko /20100501 Iceweasel/ 3.5.9 (like Firefox/
> 3.5.9)
>  
> My problem is that Iceweasel simply does not work at all with most of
> the wireless services I have encountered. I don't get any error message.
> I just get something that says Iceweasel cannot locate the page. This is
> consistent with every URL I try to bring up.

Can you connect to the internet elsewhere (eg. from home or work)?

ie. Does the problem with Iceweasel *only* happen on wireless networks?

>  
> I have to use it mostly public wireless services, at libraries, coffee
> shops, etc. I have tried a few connections at my friends' homes as well.
> Usually, I get a "bars" icon and a message that says I am connected to
> the wireless network. But Iceweasel doesn't do anything at all.
>  
> The person who prepared the laptop for me told me this might happen
> sometimes, and I would have to configure something. But he did not tell
> me how, nor can I find any instructions or anything on the desktop for
> this purpose. Also, I do not have the root or admin passwords and have
> not been able to get them.

Probably not necessary. But trivial problems to solve if necessary.

>  
> I would appreciate any instructions or advice on how to fix this
> problem. Please use simple language--I am still learning.
>  
> Thanks very much.

Let me know if you can browse at all using Iceweasel, and we can then
determine which direction to go for you to browse the internet using
wireless.

Kind regards

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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-03-21 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 22/03/12 10:17, Michael wrote:
> And by the way, if someone else likes to answer by explaining how to
> break root: Please don't do on public lists,

Don't be silly. Security by obscurity is not the Debian model.

> and consider if that really solves anything.


You won't solve anything if you can't gain root.


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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-03-21 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 22/03/12 11:10, Brandon Richards wrote:
> Tina,
> 
> I would go even as far as to recommend Ubuntu.

And the same could be said of Debian - except we don't go to their lists
recommending they use Debian instead of persevering with a broken
derivative.




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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-03-21 Thread tina braxton
Dear New Friends,
 
Thank you for all these ideas.  It's great to have so much support.
 
Actually, I have tried two of the ideas suggested.
 
I have been unable to locate the person who put on the software.  The former 
owner cannot find him, either.
 
I have tried to install Ubuntu, but it won't install anything at all, not even 
updates, without the root.  I tried to reset the root, using several methods 
people have shown me, but none of them worked.  It just kept asking me for the 
root.  I will also try a newer version of Debian, when I can get to someplace 
where I can plug in my cable.
 
I will try the other ideas y'all have suggested.  I think it does have an Intel 
processor.  Will look at the sticker again, to make sure.
 
I'll look up the specs for my laptop.  The manufacturer would not provide 
anything, since the warranty is expired.  But at least some of the information 
should be somewhere on the web.
 
Thanks again! 
 
 





Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-03-21 Thread Michael
Ah, and it was Brandon, not Richard, yepp. Time to go to bed...


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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-03-21 Thread Michael
Richard,

> I'm not convinced I'd go for a daily build, or the testing distro, either, 
> but that's another issue.

I used daily 'testing' installers more often and there never was a problem with 
the installer or base system. If there would be a minor bug with a desktop app, 
later. then you can update or change app.

It is strategic recommendation. I was using stable installers in the past and 
always ended up with upgrade to testing, then unstable, because i wanted more 
recent features. For example, latest video codecs, or new website features 
(css3, html5, flash).  Especially big internet players never wait for Debian 
with their upgrades ... Then, upgrading from stable to testing can be quite 
cumbersome, since the distance can be huge, but from testing to unstable is not 
such a big deal.

Agreed, Ubuntu always is an option and the most popular. But over the last 
years, whenever i installed the latest Ubuntu (up to 11) for someone else (or 
did remote support), i found so many deficits and bugs, that i always ended up 
with installing better or less annoying apps, or just newer versions, and then 
the whole thing just sucks. And i finally switched back to plain Debian. It was 
rather surprising to me too.

But even inexperienced users have specific requirements (even when they got 
used to Windows or Ubuntu since long) and then you can adjust a plain Debian 
much easier. Like, resolving dependencies when upgrading certain packages (or 
all) to unstable.

Of course YMMV and there are good reasons for staying stable too. It's also 
true that even trivial problems can be mountain ranges for someone who no idea 
what's up.

> ie replace ia64 with amd64. ia64 is for Itanium machines, which is mostly 
> expensive servers.
oops...so 'amd' is for intel too ? I always forget it and confuse itsorry!


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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-03-21 Thread Richard Hector
On 22/03/12 12:13, Michael wrote:


> but i recommend to check first if this is really true. The alternative is 
> 64bit and there the respective installer would be  
>  
> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/ia64/iso-cd/debian-testing-ia64-netinst.iso
> (assuming your laptop have an Intel processor, see 'intel inside' sticker.)

Er, no. The url would be
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd6/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-businesscard.iso

ie replace ia64 with amd64. ia64 is for Itanium machines, which is
mostly expensive servers.

I'm not convinced I'd go for a daily build, or the testing distro,
either, but that's another issue.

Richard


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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-03-21 Thread Brandon Richards

Tina,

I would go even as far as to recommend Ubuntu. Easy install and no 
problems accessing anything that you want. Website is: 
http://www.ubuntu.com and you get 5GB of storage when you have ubuntu. 
Just a thought.


On 21-Mar-12 17:31, Michael wrote:

Tina,

Since debugging wireless can be tedious especially under this circumstances 
(newbie and mailing list), i suggest go to the person who prepared the laptop, 
and ask her to configure it for you.





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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-03-21 Thread Michael
And by the way, if someone else likes to answer by explaining how to break 
root: Please don't do on public lists, and consider if that really solves 
anything.


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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-03-21 Thread Michael
Tina,

> I do not have the root or admin passwords and have not been able to get them.

That's another problem. 

If the installed software really already is 2y old, then consider a totally new 
installation. It could possibly solve your problems 'on-the-fly' but there is 
no guarantee, and usually requires help by someone experienced to be finally 
successful.

I'd download and burn a recent Debian Linux installation-CD, and boot this CD 
and follow the instructions. Let it wipe out your old installation, but backup 
your working data and account data first (on memory stick or burn to CD) - you 
would need to restore these in the working new installation, from the backup. 
later. It may include reconfigure your accounts in some applications like 
skype, email, whatever (note this is only the access data stored on your 
laptop, like password and login, of course you do not touch at all your mail 
account at yahoo)

Doing this 'net-install' requires reliable internet access during the process, 
meaning cable connection, to finish the installation. Instead of trying by 
wireless, it is highly recommended to go to some place where you can plug in a 
cable.

Your laptop probably have a 32bit Processor, so you would chose this file 
(download and burn:)

 
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-i386-netinst.iso

but i recommend to check first if this is really true. The alternative is 64bit 
and there the respective installer would be  
 
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/ia64/iso-cd/debian-testing-ia64-netinst.iso
(assuming your laptop have an Intel processor, see 'intel inside' sticker.)

I'm not sure what's the best way for you to find out this spec, unless it's not 
mentioned on some label or in the manual. Maybe you can find your laptop specs 
online. Maybe you have the 'cpuid' command (from a command terminal) available.

Note that i recommended the 'testing' version of Debian here. Despite its name, 
it should run fine, and the 'stable' version is rather old right now. If there 
are bugs, they use to be minor and usually can be fixed with simple application 
update.

If you like to go that way, read http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst and print out 
or do notes from http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386 (for the 
installation process, as seen by the user, the 32 / 64 bit question is rather 
irrelevant, it should be the same).

If your laptop is very important, or if you have NO TIME, then leave all this 
to an experienced linux user or expert. You may ask for help of a local linux 
user group, ask for someone dropping in at your place (or meetiung in some 
suitable, bright lighted populated place :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_User_Group
http://limestone.uoregon.edu/woven/lugww/
http://lug.org.uk/listings

Good luck ^^


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Re: can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-03-21 Thread Michael
Tina,

Since debugging wireless can be tedious especially under this circumstances 
(newbie and mailing list), i suggest go to the person who prepared the laptop, 
and ask her to configure it for you.


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can't get Iceweasel to work on my laptop

2012-03-21 Thread tina braxton
I received a donated laptop about two years ago. It is an older model--an Acer 
Travel Mate 2480-2779. It has Debian software, including Iceweasel browser 
3.5.9.  
 
Build identifier, in case you need it, is Mozilla /5.0 (XII; U; Linux i686; 
en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko /20100501 Iceweasel/ 3.5.9 (like Firefox/ 3.5.9)
 
My problem is that Iceweasel simply does not work at all with most of the 
wireless services I have encountered. I don't get any error message. I just get 
something that says Iceweasel cannot locate the page. This is consistent with 
every URL I try to bring up.
 
I have to use it mostly public wireless services, at libraries, coffee shops, 
etc. I have tried a few connections at my friends' homes as well. Usually, I 
get a "bars" icon and a message that says I am connected to the wireless 
network. But Iceweasel doesn't do anything at all.
 
The person who prepared the laptop for me told me this might happen sometimes, 
and I would have to configure something. But he did not tell me how, nor can I 
find any instructions or anything on the desktop for this purpose. Also, I do 
not have the root or admin passwords and have not been able to get them.
 
I would appreciate any instructions or advice on how to fix this problem. 
Please use simple language--I am still learning.
 
Thanks very much.