Re: defragmenting/resizing
Ralf Nolden wrote: > > Question: did anyone try to use qtparted from a Knoppix CD yet to resize an > NTFS partition (with ntfsresize as the backend) ? > > Ralf Well, I've got a Dell Desktop (no it's not a laptop, but the topic is the same :). It's got WinXP on a 200GB drive. I want to end up with 50GB for XP... Fired up Knoppix, ran qtparted/ntfsresize, but could only shrink the XP down to around 120GB, since there were some XP files there. Tired WinXP defrag in normal and safe mode, and tried Norton Utilites' Speed Disk; all to no avail. I've been tossing around the idea of sticking the drive into another XP machine, then copy all the files from the 200GB drive, reformat to the size I want, copy all the files back, and see if it will reboot okay afterwards. I have used that method before with Win98, maybe it'll work with XP? -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: defragmenting/resizing
Ralf Nolden wrote: > > Question: did anyone try to use qtparted from a Knoppix CD yet to resize an > NTFS partition (with ntfsresize as the backend) ? > > Ralf Well, I've got a Dell Desktop (no it's not a laptop, but the topic is the same :). It's got WinXP on a 200GB drive. I want to end up with 50GB for XP... Fired up Knoppix, ran qtparted/ntfsresize, but could only shrink the XP down to around 120GB, since there were some XP files there. Tired WinXP defrag in normal and safe mode, and tried Norton Utilites' Speed Disk; all to no avail. I've been tossing around the idea of sticking the drive into another XP machine, then copy all the files from the 200GB drive, reformat to the size I want, copy all the files back, and see if it will reboot okay afterwards. I have used that method before with Win98, maybe it'll work with XP? -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818
Re: defragmenting/resizing
First, thanks to Jaye, Francois, Ralk, and Micha for the helpful suggestions. Following the suggestions, this is what I did: 1. I read some reviews about Partition Magic on amazon.com and found that it worked for some and not for others. So I decided not to spend the $70. 2. I tried qtparted from the Knoppix 3.2 CD. It doesn't give you an option to defragment, only to define the new partitions. I decided to wipe the hard drive and do a clean install of windows xp from the system restore CDs (set of 4) that came with the laptop. This distribution of xp formats the entire drive, and re-installs everything to the factory settings. After the reinstall I "analyzed" the disk using windows disk defragmenter, and was pleasantly surprised to see that it had kept everything in the first 12G of the 40G space. Then I booted with the Knoppix 3.2 CD, and tried to resize using ntfsresize. First time around it reported of cluster errors. I went back to windows, scheduled chkdsk at boot time. Another boot into windows fixed the errors. Then I booted with the Knoppix CD again, and successfully used ntfsresize to shrink the windows partition to 18G. Following the resize, I booted windows again, and it works fine. Now, onto the fun stuff. Though I have a lot of reading to do on patching kernel to support the hardware on this laptop. Thanks again, all. - Bilal
Re: defragmenting/resizing
First, thanks to Jaye, Francois, Ralk, and Micha for the helpful suggestions. Following the suggestions, this is what I did: 1. I read some reviews about Partition Magic on amazon.com and found that it worked for some and not for others. So I decided not to spend the $70. 2. I tried qtparted from the Knoppix 3.2 CD. It doesn't give you an option to defragment, only to define the new partitions. I decided to wipe the hard drive and do a clean install of windows xp from the system restore CDs (set of 4) that came with the laptop. This distribution of xp formats the entire drive, and re-installs everything to the factory settings. After the reinstall I "analyzed" the disk using windows disk defragmenter, and was pleasantly surprised to see that it had kept everything in the first 12G of the 40G space. Then I booted with the Knoppix 3.2 CD, and tried to resize using ntfsresize. First time around it reported of cluster errors. I went back to windows, scheduled chkdsk at boot time. Another boot into windows fixed the errors. Then I booted with the Knoppix CD again, and successfully used ntfsresize to shrink the windows partition to 18G. Following the resize, I booted windows again, and it works fine. Now, onto the fun stuff. Though I have a lot of reading to do on patching kernel to support the hardware on this laptop. Thanks again, all. - Bilal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: defragmenting/resizing
On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 19:54, Bilal Ahmad wrote: > I have bought recently a HP Pavilion ze5300 laptop w/ a 40G hard drive (38G > actually), and with Windows XP Pro. I want to partition the hard drive so > that I leave 18G for XP Pro and 20G for Debian. Windows Disk Defragmenter > leaves a chunk of files right in the middle of the disk: > > > /*_* > > > > /// System files > *** Contiguous files > ___ Free space > > > > I have tried Diskeeper as well (including at boot time), and couldn't get > those files to move towards the beginning. In the notes somewhere it says > that Diskeeper won't move files that are in the Windows exclusions lists, > such as the space for hibernate mode. > > Is there another way to get the those files to move towards the beginning > without having to wipe out the whole disk first? Any help would be greatly > appreciated. (PS: This will be my first attempt at installing a linux > system. There is no floppy disk in this computer; It has a DVD-ROM/CD-RW, > however.) > > Thanks. > Bilal > Depending on what the files you have the problems with contain (iirc system files are green under defrag) and on how much memory your system has, you can try disabling hibernation, and setting the starting swap size to the minimum (I think 2M), this should remove the offending files (if this is what they are). You can later restore the settings. -- Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: defragmenting/resizing
On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 19:54, Bilal Ahmad wrote: > I have bought recently a HP Pavilion ze5300 laptop w/ a 40G hard drive (38G > actually), and with Windows XP Pro. I want to partition the hard drive so > that I leave 18G for XP Pro and 20G for Debian. Windows Disk Defragmenter > leaves a chunk of files right in the middle of the disk: > > > /*_* > > > > /// System files > *** Contiguous files > ___ Free space > > > > I have tried Diskeeper as well (including at boot time), and couldn't get > those files to move towards the beginning. In the notes somewhere it says > that Diskeeper won't move files that are in the Windows exclusions lists, > such as the space for hibernate mode. > > Is there another way to get the those files to move towards the beginning > without having to wipe out the whole disk first? Any help would be greatly > appreciated. (PS: This will be my first attempt at installing a linux > system. There is no floppy disk in this computer; It has a DVD-ROM/CD-RW, > however.) > > Thanks. > Bilal > Depending on what the files you have the problems with contain (iirc system files are green under defrag) and on how much memory your system has, you can try disabling hibernation, and setting the starting swap size to the minimum (I think 2M), this should remove the offending files (if this is what they are). You can later restore the settings. -- Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: defragmenting/resizing
On Freitag, 15. August 2003 23:23, François TOURDE wrote: > Le 12279ième jour après Epoch, > > Bilal Ahmad écrivait: > > I have bought recently a HP Pavilion ze5300 laptop w/ a 40G hard drive > > (38G actually), and with Windows XP Pro. I want to partition the hard > > drive so that I leave 18G for XP Pro and 20G for Debian. Windows Disk > > Defragmenter leaves a chunk of files right in the middle of the disk: > > > > > > /*_*_ > >___ > > > > > > > > /// System files > > *** Contiguous files > > ___ Free space > > some solutions: > > 1) Remove Windows XP... Using this technique, you can be sure that no more > windows problem will occur... :) It's my prefered one ... > > 2) Use the first free space for /usr and / and swap ... Whatever everything > from GNU/Linux that can fit on this space > > 3) Use partition magic. This software is able to move some 'fixed' > partitions. Question: did anyone try to use qtparted from a Knoppix CD yet to resize an NTFS partition (with ntfsresize as the backend) ? Ralf > > 4) Ask for your vendor the original installation disks... They must have > these disks... > > 5) Remove Windows XP... Did I say that before ?... > > -- > Learning French is trivial: the word for horse is cheval, and everything > else follows in the same way. > -- Alan J. Perlis -- We're not a company, we just produce better code at less costs. Ralf Nolden [EMAIL PROTECTED] The K Desktop Environment The KDevelop Project http://www.kde.org http://www.kdevelop.org pgptiR8ewSUao.pgp Description: signature
Re: defragmenting/resizing
On Freitag, 15. August 2003 23:23, François TOURDE wrote: > Le 12279ième jour après Epoch, > > Bilal Ahmad écrivait: > > I have bought recently a HP Pavilion ze5300 laptop w/ a 40G hard drive > > (38G actually), and with Windows XP Pro. I want to partition the hard > > drive so that I leave 18G for XP Pro and 20G for Debian. Windows Disk > > Defragmenter leaves a chunk of files right in the middle of the disk: > > > > > > /*_*_ > >___ > > > > > > > > /// System files > > *** Contiguous files > > ___ Free space > > some solutions: > > 1) Remove Windows XP... Using this technique, you can be sure that no more > windows problem will occur... :) It's my prefered one ... > > 2) Use the first free space for /usr and / and swap ... Whatever everything > from GNU/Linux that can fit on this space > > 3) Use partition magic. This software is able to move some 'fixed' > partitions. Question: did anyone try to use qtparted from a Knoppix CD yet to resize an NTFS partition (with ntfsresize as the backend) ? Ralf > > 4) Ask for your vendor the original installation disks... They must have > these disks... > > 5) Remove Windows XP... Did I say that before ?... > > -- > Learning French is trivial: the word for horse is cheval, and everything > else follows in the same way. > -- Alan J. Perlis -- We're not a company, we just produce better code at less costs. Ralf Nolden [EMAIL PROTECTED] The K Desktop Environment The KDevelop Project http://www.kde.org http://www.kdevelop.org pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: defragmenting/resizing
Le 12279ième jour après Epoch, Bilal Ahmad écrivait: > I have bought recently a HP Pavilion ze5300 laptop w/ a 40G hard drive > (38G actually), and with Windows XP Pro. I want to partition the hard > drive so that I leave 18G for XP Pro and 20G for Debian. Windows Disk > Defragmenter leaves a chunk of files right in the middle of the disk: > > > /*_* > > > > /// System files > *** Contiguous files > ___ Free space some solutions: 1) Remove Windows XP... Using this technique, you can be sure that no more windows problem will occur... :) It's my prefered one ... 2) Use the first free space for /usr and / and swap ... Whatever everything from GNU/Linux that can fit on this space 3) Use partition magic. This software is able to move some 'fixed' partitions. 4) Ask for your vendor the original installation disks... They must have these disks... 5) Remove Windows XP... Did I say that before ?... -- Learning French is trivial: the word for horse is cheval, and everything else follows in the same way. -- Alan J. Perlis
Re: defragmenting/resizing
Le 12279ième jour après Epoch, Bilal Ahmad écrivait: > I have bought recently a HP Pavilion ze5300 laptop w/ a 40G hard drive > (38G actually), and with Windows XP Pro. I want to partition the hard > drive so that I leave 18G for XP Pro and 20G for Debian. Windows Disk > Defragmenter leaves a chunk of files right in the middle of the disk: > > > /*_* > > > > /// System files > *** Contiguous files > ___ Free space some solutions: 1) Remove Windows XP... Using this technique, you can be sure that no more windows problem will occur... :) It's my prefered one ... 2) Use the first free space for /usr and / and swap ... Whatever everything from GNU/Linux that can fit on this space 3) Use partition magic. This software is able to move some 'fixed' partitions. 4) Ask for your vendor the original installation disks... They must have these disks... 5) Remove Windows XP... Did I say that before ?... -- Learning French is trivial: the word for horse is cheval, and everything else follows in the same way. -- Alan J. Perlis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: defragmenting/resizing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 15 August 2003 09:54 am, Bilal Ahmad wrote: > I have bought recently a HP Pavilion ze5300 laptop w/ a 40G hard drive (38G > actually), and with Windows XP Pro. I want to partition the hard drive so > that I leave 18G for XP Pro and 20G for Debian. Windows Disk Defragmenter > leaves a chunk of files right in the middle of the disk: > > > /*_*___ >_ > > > > /// System files > *** Contiguous files > ___ Free space > > > > I have tried Diskeeper as well (including at boot time), and couldn't get > those files to move towards the beginning. In the notes somewhere it says > that Diskeeper won't move files that are in the Windows exclusions lists, > such as the space for hibernate mode. > > Is there another way to get the those files to move towards the beginning > without having to wipe out the whole disk first? Any help would be greatly > appreciated. (PS: This will be my first attempt at installing a linux > system. There is no floppy disk in this computer; It has a DVD-ROM/CD-RW, > however.) > > Thanks. > Bilal Greetings Bilal: I experienced the same problem as you when I bought my used Gateway laptop with a 10Gb hard drive. I tried to move those files to the front of the drive, but it wouldn't work! Finally, I acquired a copy of Partition Magic. I think it was version 7.0 or something. It *will* move those files carefully to the front of the drive and then part it so you can then begin the process of installing Gnu/Linux on the freed area. I was very nervous as I proceeded to use the program, but after reading all the documentation that came with it, I was very pleased to see how well it did the job. M$-XP never complained about it after it was all over. I was then able to install my favorite OS (Libranet) on the 5Gb partition. Still, you have much more space than I have, so it should be much easier for you! heehee. As far as I know, Partition Magic and one other commercial program like it are all that will modify an NTFS drive. The free software that I looked at was only able to modify the older FAT style of M$ file formats :( Hopefully, this will change in the near future! Still, it has been over a year since I did this, perhaps the free alternatives are able to slice an NTFS drive today. Good luck to you. Wishing you well. - -- Jaye InabnitA Debian-Gnu/Linux user If it's stupid, but works, it ain't stupid. I SHOUT JUST FOR FUN. Free software, in a free world, for a free spirit. Please Support freedom! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: My key available from www.keyserver.net iD8DBQE/PRjTZHBxKsta6kMRAkNLAKDgBvRF0EQrZcl6ngxwxma0L3uTVACgprZU vRj2WyZc/T4Tdga843Zd1KE= =R4WT -END PGP SIGNATURE-
defragmenting/resizing
I have bought recently a HP Pavilion ze5300 laptop w/ a 40G hard drive (38G actually), and with Windows XP Pro. I want to partition the hard drive so that I leave 18G for XP Pro and 20G for Debian. Windows Disk Defragmenter leaves a chunk of files right in the middle of the disk: /*_* /// System files *** Contiguous files ___ Free space I have tried Diskeeper as well (including at boot time), and couldn't get those files to move towards the beginning. In the notes somewhere it says that Diskeeper won't move files that are in the Windows exclusions lists, such as the space for hibernate mode. Is there another way to get the those files to move towards the beginning without having to wipe out the whole disk first? Any help would be greatly appreciated. (PS: This will be my first attempt at installing a linux system. There is no floppy disk in this computer; It has a DVD-ROM/CD-RW, however.) Thanks. Bilal
Re: defragmenting/resizing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 15 August 2003 09:54 am, Bilal Ahmad wrote: > I have bought recently a HP Pavilion ze5300 laptop w/ a 40G hard drive (38G > actually), and with Windows XP Pro. I want to partition the hard drive so > that I leave 18G for XP Pro and 20G for Debian. Windows Disk Defragmenter > leaves a chunk of files right in the middle of the disk: > > > /*_*___ >_ > > > > /// System files > *** Contiguous files > ___ Free space > > > > I have tried Diskeeper as well (including at boot time), and couldn't get > those files to move towards the beginning. In the notes somewhere it says > that Diskeeper won't move files that are in the Windows exclusions lists, > such as the space for hibernate mode. > > Is there another way to get the those files to move towards the beginning > without having to wipe out the whole disk first? Any help would be greatly > appreciated. (PS: This will be my first attempt at installing a linux > system. There is no floppy disk in this computer; It has a DVD-ROM/CD-RW, > however.) > > Thanks. > Bilal Greetings Bilal: I experienced the same problem as you when I bought my used Gateway laptop with a 10Gb hard drive. I tried to move those files to the front of the drive, but it wouldn't work! Finally, I acquired a copy of Partition Magic. I think it was version 7.0 or something. It *will* move those files carefully to the front of the drive and then part it so you can then begin the process of installing Gnu/Linux on the freed area. I was very nervous as I proceeded to use the program, but after reading all the documentation that came with it, I was very pleased to see how well it did the job. M$-XP never complained about it after it was all over. I was then able to install my favorite OS (Libranet) on the 5Gb partition. Still, you have much more space than I have, so it should be much easier for you! heehee. As far as I know, Partition Magic and one other commercial program like it are all that will modify an NTFS drive. The free software that I looked at was only able to modify the older FAT style of M$ file formats :( Hopefully, this will change in the near future! Still, it has been over a year since I did this, perhaps the free alternatives are able to slice an NTFS drive today. Good luck to you. Wishing you well. - -- Jaye InabnitA Debian-Gnu/Linux user If it's stupid, but works, it ain't stupid. I SHOUT JUST FOR FUN. Free software, in a free world, for a free spirit. Please Support freedom! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: My key available from www.keyserver.net iD8DBQE/PRjTZHBxKsta6kMRAkNLAKDgBvRF0EQrZcl6ngxwxma0L3uTVACgprZU vRj2WyZc/T4Tdga843Zd1KE= =R4WT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
defragmenting/resizing
I have bought recently a HP Pavilion ze5300 laptop w/ a 40G hard drive (38G actually), and with Windows XP Pro. I want to partition the hard drive so that I leave 18G for XP Pro and 20G for Debian. Windows Disk Defragmenter leaves a chunk of files right in the middle of the disk: /*_* /// System files *** Contiguous files ___ Free space I have tried Diskeeper as well (including at boot time), and couldn't get those files to move towards the beginning. In the notes somewhere it says that Diskeeper won't move files that are in the Windows exclusions lists, such as the space for hibernate mode. Is there another way to get the those files to move towards the beginning without having to wipe out the whole disk first? Any help would be greatly appreciated. (PS: This will be my first attempt at installing a linux system. There is no floppy disk in this computer; It has a DVD-ROM/CD-RW, however.) Thanks. Bilal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
