Re: GNU License and Computer Break Ins

2000-05-18 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 09:54:39PM -0500, Paul Serice wrote: You don't give me much time to reply. Yes; disingenuous, calculated, misleading remarks do take longer to cook up than the honest truth. -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux |It tastes

Re: Open Source Motif

2000-05-18 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 02:32:21PM +0200, Martin Konold wrote: Due to the fact that the GPL is according to RMS incompatible to anything except itself That is blatantly false, and I find it hard to believe RMS would have uttered any such statement. The MIT/X Consortium and 3-clause BSD

Re: Open Source Motif

2000-05-18 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 11:52:39AM -0500, David Starner wrote: In real life, the vast majority of the people will contribute the patches back under both licenses. In many cases, they don't really have much choice; changes on the scale of bugfixes or small feature enhancements are easily

Re: Open Source Motif

2000-05-18 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 07:49:54PM -0700, David Johnson wrote: But if you add BSD code to someone else's GPL code, you could be in trouble since the BSD license adds an additional requirement to distribute an additional warranty and permission statement. That is only true if: 1) You're

Re: Bug#64129: plugger: cannot build from source

2000-05-18 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Adam Heath wrote: ... plugger is in contrib for a reason. ns-plugin-sdk can't be distributed. I have a local deb of it, but I can't send it anywhere, as it has no copyright at all, and netscape has been deaf to my inquiries. ... plugger is under the GPL but linked with

Re: GNU License and Computer Break Ins

2000-05-18 Thread Paul Serice
Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Paul Serice [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I guess it's a couple of things. First I feel betrayed. Given all the comments I've received about Stallman's reasonably well-publicized philosophy I suppose I have no one to blame but myself. Nobody thinks

Re: GNU License and Computer Break Ins

2000-05-18 Thread Lynn Winebarger
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Paul Serice wrote: I guess I didn't say that too well. I feel betrayed because I thought the GPL was about respecting the work of other people. If those people only want their work to be used openly, then GPL is the license for them (or so I thought). If you want your

Re: GNU License and Computer Break Ins

2000-05-18 Thread Raul Miller
Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Nobody thinks (but you) that the GPL grants to people the right to break into a computer. If you feel betrayed, it's by a misunderstanding; at worst, it's an ambiguous sentence which you read incorrectly On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 06:32:49AM -0500, Paul Serice

repost: disney and copyright

2000-05-18 Thread Raul Miller
I'm forwarding this message to debian-legal [let's see if I can get the right list, this time] because in a year when I look back and want to find it I'm going to want to find it in the debian-legal archives. [Apologies to the folks over on debian-devel *wince*.] Thanks, -- Raul -

Re: Open Source Motif

2000-05-18 Thread Alex Yukhimets
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 04:48:25AM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 02:32:21PM +0200, Martin Konold wrote: Due to the fact that the GPL is according to RMS incompatible to anything except itself That is blatantly false, and I find it hard to believe RMS would have

Re: GNU License and Computer Break Ins

2000-05-18 Thread Paul Serice
Raul Miller wrote: And, since your entire rant seems to be based on the idea that laws are being broken, I think it's up to you to come up with the details. I agree. I will try e-mailing him. The message is at the bottom. I sent it a few seconds ago. Paul Serice

Re: GNU License and Computer Break Ins

2000-05-18 Thread Seth David Schoen
Raul Miller writes: On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 06:32:49AM -0500, Paul Serice wrote: I guess I didn't say that too well. I feel betrayed because I thought the GPL was about respecting the work of other people. If those people only want their work to be used openly, then GPL is the license for

Re: Stallman Admits to Copyright Infringement

2000-05-18 Thread Jules Bean
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 04:05:32PM +, Jimmy O'Regan wrote: On Thu, 18 May 2000, Paul Serice wrote: ) Jimmy O'Regan wrote: ) ) On Tue, 16 May 2000, Paul Serice wrote: ) ) No matter how broadly you read the fair use exception, it does not ) cover Stallman's actions. Fair use

Re: Bug#64129: plugger: cannot build from source

2000-05-18 Thread Steve Greenland
On 18-May-00, 04:30 (CDT), Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 18 May 2000, Adam Heath wrote: ... plugger is in contrib for a reason. ns-plugin-sdk can't be distributed. I have a local deb of it, but I can't send it anywhere, as it has no copyright at all, and netscape has

Re: GNU License and Computer Break Ins

2000-05-18 Thread Mike Bilow
None of this makes a bit of difference. You are making a very obvious error by failing to realize that different authors may elect to put their works under GPL with different intent and different motivation. You are reading too much into the mental process behind the author's action, while what

Fair use defined (was: Re: Stallman Admits to Copyright Infringement)

2000-05-18 Thread Mike Bilow
Do not put too much emphasis on the fair use concept. It is deliberately very vague, much like the concept of due process of law. Exactly what it means in any particular situation can be very hard to pin down without actually litigating the issue. I would argue that there are extreme cases

Re: GNU License and Computer Break Ins

2000-05-18 Thread Richard Stallman
I guess I didn't say that too well. I feel betrayed because I thought the GPL was about respecting the work of other people. The GPL is about establishing and defending the freedom to share and change published software--about respecting community and cooperation. The way to respect a