Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Richard - That only talks about unmodified executables. So nothing seems to give permission for distributing executables of modified versions of Vim. It is important to give that permission explicitly. It was given implicitly, but I can clear that up to avoid confusion. It seems you

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 01:26:38PM +0100, Bram Moolenaar wrote: Henning Makholm wrote: I don't see this as a relevant problem. The person that distributed the modified version can ask the people he gave the source code to send me a copy. So he can still delete his own copy (although that's

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is allowed to distribute a modified version of Vim, with executables and/or source code, when the following conditions are met. If you distribute a modified version of Vim, you are encouraged to make it available to the maintainer, including the

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Thomas Bushnell wrote: Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is allowed to distribute a modified version of Vim, with executables and/or source code, when the following conditions are met. If you distribute a modified version of Vim, you are encouraged to make it available to

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If this is so, then there are these possibilities: - Nobody has a copy of this modified version. Then it doesn't exist and the license doesn't apply. Wrong, the paragraph says that if you distribute a modified version, then you must provide the

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Thomas - Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If this is so, then there are these possibilities: - Nobody has a copy of this modified version. Then it doesn't exist and the license doesn't apply. Wrong, the paragraph says that if you distribute a modified version, then you

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, the license doesn't say forever. It has no time limit, does it? The easiest way to avoid this is to send me the changes before destroying them. Then you no longer need to keep a copy. And yes, if you distribute a modified version of Vim, the

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 10:10:40PM +0100, Bram Moolenaar wrote: - Nobody has a copy of this modified version. Then it doesn't exist and the license doesn't apply. Wrong, the paragraph says that if you distribute a modified version, then you must provide the changes to the vim

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Thomas - The GPL does not require that you keep the source code forever. When I give a copy to my friend, I have finished all my responsibilities. I have no requirement to keep a copy, or know how to get in touch with my friend next year. The Vim license also doesn't require you keep the

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The GPL does not require that you keep the source code forever. When I give a copy to my friend, I have finished all my responsibilities. I have no requirement to keep a copy, or know how to get in touch with my friend next year. The Vim

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:27:46PM +0100, Bram Moolenaar wrote: The GPL requires you to make the source code available to every user. That's quite bit stickier, in my opinion. For most companies that means they can't make money on their software. That's the main disadvantage of using the GPL

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: I don't need to defend whatever past decisions may have been made; they quite possibly were simply incorrect. Unless, of course, they involved the GNU Emacs Manual, right? :-P -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:27:46PM +0100, Bram Moolenaar wrote: It also does not require that I send the changes to the maintainer. That's the sticking point. The GPL requires you to make the source code available to every user. That's quite bit stickier, in my opinion. For most

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: I don't need to defend whatever past decisions may have been made; they quite possibly were simply incorrect. Unless, of course, they involved the GNU Emacs Manual, right? :-P

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Someone still has a copy. Then the person that made the changes should be able to retrieve it and send the maintainer a copy. If I make a change, and then distribute to John Doe, and then

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 02:01:14AM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: I don't need to defend whatever past decisions may have been made; they quite possibly were simply

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 02:01:14AM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: I don't need to defend whatever past decisions may have been

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Branden Robinson
I SUBSCRIBE TO THIS LIST; DO NOT CC ME ON REPLIES, YOU FILTHY SWINES. On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 04:13:56PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please respect my damn mail headers. And damn headers they are. This business of hiding little requests in

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I SUBSCRIBE TO THIS LIST; DO NOT CC ME ON REPLIES, YOU FILTHY SWINES. On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 04:13:56PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please respect my damn mail headers. And damn headers they

Cc'ing people on mailing list posts

2002-01-01 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 04:54:30PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Well, what I'd prefer is that people all followed of the following: Yes, because clearly you're in the right, and it's the people who don't want to be Cc'ed that're making the special request. Unfortunately, that's _not_ the

Re: Cc'ing people on mailing list posts

2002-01-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 04:54:30PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Well, what I'd prefer is that people all followed of the following: Yes, because clearly you're in the right, and it's the people who don't want to be Cc'ed that're making the

Re: Cc'ing people on mailing list posts

2002-01-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 05:57:49PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Um, it wasn't me that Branden was flaming at. Yes it was. With my followup to your mail. -- G. Branden Robinson| Mob rule isn't any prettier just Debian GNU/Linux | because you

Re: Cc'ing people on mailing list posts

2002-01-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 05:57:49PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Um, it wasn't me that Branden was flaming at. Yes it was. With my followup to your mail. Anthony said It's you that's violating list policy. It wasn't me, it was Henning

Re: Cc'ing people on mailing list posts

2002-01-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 06:15:09PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 05:57:49PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Um, it wasn't me that Branden was flaming at. Yes it was. With my followup to your mail. Anthony

Re: Cc'ing people on mailing list posts

2002-01-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 06:15:09PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 05:57:49PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Um, it wasn't me that Branden was flaming at. Yes

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are not allowed to distribute a modified version of Vim when you are not willing to make the source code available to the maintainer or do not want to let him decide what to do with your changes. This is non-free