Re: linking to GPL'd libraries WAS Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 01:39:29PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: No. It has always been understood by the GNU Project that using kernel syscalls does not make something one program; the fact that Linus mentions that explicitly doesn't change the fact one whit. How is the GNU Project's

Re: linking to GPL'd libraries WAS Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 01:39:29PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: No. It has always been understood by the GNU Project that using kernel syscalls does not make something one program; the fact that Linus mentions that explicitly doesn't change

Re: linking to GPL'd libraries WAS Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Philip Thiem
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 06:29:50PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If a library's interface is implemented to a standard or similar, than someone linking to a GPL library version should be alright, no? No. Actually linking to the GPL'd library is not allowed

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Thomas Bushnell wrote: Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, so Debian has written and signed permission from all copyright holders? Don't think so... I don't know how valid the copyright and license remarks in the files are. There are quite a few files without a license

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Richard Stallman wrote: c) Provide the changes, including source code, with every copy of the modified Vim you distribute. This may be done in the form of a context diff. You can chose what license to use for new code you add, so long as it does

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Richard Stallman wrote: I have attempted to add the possibility to allow people to distribute a modified Vim, under the condition that they include the source code. This is a free software license, and I think it is better than the current Vim license. So I encourage you to switch

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Glenn Maynard wrote: As I already said, it's allowed to compile, but you might not be allowed to distribute the result. That's actually the main problem of the GPL I don't like. But the dual-licensing would solve that. Which is it, linkable-but-not-distributable or

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Richard Stallman wrote: 2) A user of the modified Vim must be able to see that it was modified, at least in the version information and in the intro screen. The GPL has a similar kind of requirement, but this is more specific, hence not GPL-compatible. I could not find

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:58:44PM +0100, Bram Moolenaar wrote: 2) A user of the modified Vim must be able to see that it was modified, at least in the version information and in the intro screen. The GPL has a similar kind of requirement, but this is more specific, hence

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:15:39PM +0100, Bram Moolenaar wrote: The question is what licenses I could use for modified versions of Vim. Specifically, could I release a modified version of Vim under the GPL? A license is GPL-compatible if it permits that; otherwise, it is not

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Glenn Maynard
Whoops. Botched a couple CC's. I'll forward them. On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:15:38PM +0100, Bram Moolenaar wrote: I'm a bit confused here: d) When you have a modified Vim which includes changes, as mentioned After this comes under c). At the time I quoted this, I had been reading

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:15:38PM +0100, Bram Moolenaar wrote: I think you better use the principle that Vim comes as a package, and the license applies to the whole package, unless stated otherwise in individual files. I agree, just as the copyright notice at the beginning of a book applies

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Glenn Maynard wrote: Isn't it clear that this is about further distributing a modified Vim as was created as mentioned under c)? Does this mean that you can only use 3c for your own changes; and 3d for other peoples' changes? That's ... odd. Yes, because only the person who makes the

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thomas Bushnell wrote: Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, so Debian has written and signed permission from all copyright holders? Don't think so... I don't know how valid the copyright and license remarks in the files are.

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
Another problem that I'm worried about is that many people will think Vim _is_ GPL. It will be mentioned in lists in magazines and on web sites. We would have to check and request correction where it's wrong. Perhaps it would help to give a good name to the dual license. GPL++

Re: [g_dlegal@zewt.org: Re: draft for new Vim license]

2002-01-07 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 02:37:04PM +0100, Bram Moolenaar wrote: Hmm, this only says the files must include a notice. The executable might not display the notice, thus a user might not be able to see he is using a modified version. This clause 2) was not in the previous version of the Vim

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 02:37:04PM +0100, Bram Moolenaar wrote: Does this mean that you can only use 3c for your own changes; and 3d for other peoples' changes? That's ... odd. Yes, because only the person who makes the changes can decide what license to use for them. People further

Re: OT: GNU an Operating System WAS Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Hi, (PS: I am not sure RMS follows this list, and you did not CC him, so he might not have read your mail). On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 03:27:14PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I ask one of my friends what is GNU he doesn't just think of the OS, GNU is more than that. This