Re: LZW patented file left in .orig.tar source package?

2002-10-25 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Debian should not be shipping -- in source or binary form -- anything in main that isn't DFSG-free, because unless we make a good-faith effort to ensure that everyting in main is DFSG-free, our users cannot make a good-faith assumption that they can

Re: LZW patented file left in .orig.tar source package?

2002-10-25 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 09:10:32AM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: Firstly, Debian cannot possibly guarantee that none of the code it distributes infringes on any patent in any country. So users in any case cannot make a good-faith assumption that they are free to use the code in their

Re: [aspell-devel] Problems with aspell-en license

2002-10-25 Thread Peter Makholm
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Under my analysis, it doesn't matter, because you can't copyright that which is not copyrightable. Wether you call it copyright or not it doesn't change the fact that wordlists might fall under the IP-protection described by the European Union's

Re: LZW patented file left in .orig.tar source package?

2002-10-25 Thread Richard Braakman
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 09:10:32AM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: Does a patent make code non-DFSG-free? Perhaps Debian says yes, but I don't quite understand the logic. I think in general no, but Debian long ago moved all gif-writing programs to non-free. IIRC that was a deliberate

Re: [aspell-devel] Problems with aspell-en license

2002-10-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 12:14:46PM +0200, Peter Makholm wrote: The making of usable wordlists is a substantial investment in verification. The work on the danish dictionary is one of the most boring tasks I've ever been involved with in relation to open source. I don't want to know how many

Re: LZW patented file left in .orig.tar source package?

2002-10-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 09:10:32AM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Debian should not be shipping -- in source or binary form -- anything in main that isn't DFSG-free, because unless we make a good-faith effort to ensure that everyting in main is

Re: LZW patented file left in .orig.tar source package?

2002-10-25 Thread David Turner
On Thu, 2002-10-24 at 00:36, Jeff Licquia wrote: On Wed, 2002-10-23 at 19:34, David Turner wrote: I found a case which says that blueprints are components in the sense meant by (c) (well, actually (f), but it's the same language) above: Moore U.S.A. Inc. v. Standard Register, No.

Re: LZW patented file left in .orig.tar source package?

2002-10-25 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
David Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Looking at it from a larger viewpoint, the idea that merely distributing source code and saying, don't use this gets around patent law is fairly silly. Not really. Particularly if in fact no one is using that part of the code distributed by Debian. The only

Re: LZW patented file left in .orig.tar source package?

2002-10-25 Thread David Turner
On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 17:17, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: David Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Looking at it from a larger viewpoint, the idea that merely distributing source code and saying, don't use this gets around patent law is fairly silly. Not really. Particularly if in fact no one is

Re: LZW patented file left in .orig.tar source package?

2002-10-25 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 15:33, David Turner wrote: On Thu, 2002-10-24 at 00:36, Jeff Licquia wrote: While the decision found that blueprints could consititute part of a substantial portion of the components, it was clear that paper and glue were also needed. It's not clear to me that

Re: LZW patented file left in .orig.tar source package?

2002-10-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 12:32:33PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: The DFSG doesn't care what specific part of the law is used to violate users' freedoms; it just cares whether those freedoms are violated or not. I disagree. The DFSG speaks explicitly of the licenses of the software being