Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-10 Thread Andrea Borgia
On 9 Nov 2002, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: TBBPine prohibits the distribution of modified versions. Fine, then ship an unmodified version. Just run configure with the appropriate values, pack the resulting binary and we should all be set. My understanding of the license is that that would be

Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-10 Thread Andrea Borgia
On 9 Nov 2002, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: TBBThis has been tried many, many times. Feel free to give it a shot TBByourself! From your reply, I'm inclined to think the chances are slim ;-( TBBOf course we are legally allowed to distribute unmodified pine. But TBBDebian doesn't include just

Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-10 Thread Andrea Borgia
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: SSPRH can also afford to be sued. IMHO, you're kidding yourself if you do believe they're consciously trying to get sued by systematically ignoring licenses. They're a business and businesses do not survive by actively looking for trouble(*).

Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-10 Thread Andrea Borgia
On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, Santiago Vila wrote: SVNo, if Debian accepts a special permission from UW to distribute modified SVbinaries, they will never see the need to make pine free software. This might be true, but I'm more interested in the opposite question: do you seriously believe that Debian

Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-10 Thread Santiago Vila
Andrea Borgia wrote: Santiago Vila wrote: SVNo, if Debian accepts a special permission from UW to distribute modified SVbinaries, they will never see the need to make pine free software. This might be true, but I'm more interested in the opposite question: do you seriously believe that

Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-10 Thread Andrea Borgia
On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, Santiago Vila wrote: SVIt seems to me that you have not even tried to compile the Debian SVversion of pine, have you? Please apt-get source pine and compile it I already have built pine both from debian official sources and from another source I found, made by another

Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-10 Thread Santiago Vila
Andrea Borgia wrote: Does anyone know of some free software that walks like Pine, talks like Pine and looks like Pine but in fact is not Pine? (something like nano instead of pico, mutt-fans please hands off the keyboard) GNU mana, but it's a dead project (UW was going to sue the FSF for it).

Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-10 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, Andrea Borgia wrote: On 9 Nov 2002, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: TBBPine prohibits the distribution of modified versions. Fine, then ship an unmodified version. Just run configure with the appropriate values, pack the resulting binary and we should all be set. My

Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-10 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Andrea Borgia [EMAIL PROTECTED] [021110 11:18]: TBBPine prohibits the distribution of modified versions. Fine, then ship an unmodified version. Just run configure with the appropriate values, pack the resulting binary and we should all be set. Sorry, but this is no option. My

Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-10 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On Sunday 10 November 2002 02:25, Andrea Borgia wrote: On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: SSPRH can also afford to be sued. IMHO, you're kidding yourself if you do believe they're consciously trying to get sued by systematically ignoring licenses. They're a business and

Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-10 Thread Joey Hess
Andrea Borgia wrote: Fine, then ship an unmodified version. Just run configure with the appropriate values, pack the resulting binary and we should all be set. And what are we then supposed to do when there is a security hole in pine, or a bad interaction with something else in debian that

Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-10 Thread Andrea Borgia
On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, Santiago Vila wrote: SVGNU mana, but it's a dead project (UW was going to sue the FSF for it). Small wonder they were going to sue: they might not object to people shipping prebuilt pine binaries (but then again, as somebody pointed out, they might as well), but they're not

Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 11:46:35AM +0100, Andrea Borgia wrote: SVPerhaps Debian just cares more than others about what is allowed by SVlicenses and what is not. This has happened several times in the SVpast and should not be a surprise. I have to take your word for it, because my talks with

Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-10 Thread Andrea Borgia
On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: SSPyou misinterpreted me. Quite possibly: I twisted your words a little here and there, but mainly I forgot a 8-) at the end of the paragraph. Sorry, my comment was meant to be humorous, not harsh. SSPlist of armchair lawyers. We tend to be a

Re: Pine's legal notices; free Pine alternatives?

2002-11-10 Thread Steve Langasek
[MFT: debian-devel, since this is a proposal for a new packaging project] On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 02:41:10PM +0100, Andrea Borgia wrote: Does anyone know of some free software that walks like Pine, talks like Pine and looks like Pine but in fact is not Pine? (something like nano instead of

Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Andrea Borgia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 9 Nov 2002, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: TBBPine prohibits the distribution of modified versions. Fine, then ship an unmodified version. Just run configure with the appropriate values, pack the resulting binary and we should all be set. My