Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-12 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 01:54:13PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: I seriously believe that Debian should follow pine license strictly and not accept any special permission only for Debian. This is written in the Debian Free Software Guidelines, and I believe it's a guideline we should follow

YAST License, is redistribution permitted?

2002-11-12 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
Hi guys, please keep [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the Cc: I'm seeking the opinion of -legal regarding an issue I've been discussing on another mailing list. It pertains the YAST license as found in: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/8.1/COPYRIGHT.yast To make this clear from the start:

Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-12 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 04:41:04PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: Andrea Borgia wrote: Does anyone know of some free software that walks like Pine, talks like Pine and looks like Pine but in fact is not Pine? (something like nano instead of pico, mutt-fans please hands off the keyboard) GNU

Re: question about leaving lzw and unknown-license code in source

2002-11-12 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: Is there any way for xmedcon to become official without taking those parts mentioned above out of the source code (which neither the upstream author nor me would find very attractive). Nope. We cannot distribute software that doesn't have a

final licence question.

2002-11-12 Thread Sven Luther
Hello, ... I am about to send upstream my latest advice on the licence issues i discussed here previously, and have one last question. To recapitulate, upstream is packaging a pci adsl modem driver, which use a software library to do the ADSL decoding. They don't have the source to this library

Re: Bug#168589: ITP: xfuse - a ZX Spectrum and TC2048 emulator

2002-11-12 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 08:42:12AM +, Jules Bean wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 09:27:15AM +0100, Radovan Garabik wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 08:49:21PM +, Darren Salt wrote: It depends on spectrum-roms and must therefore go in contrib. We had a discussion abour ZX ROMS some

Re: Bug#168589: ITP: xfuse - a ZX Spectrum and TC2048 emulator

2002-11-12 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 11:37:59AM +, Colin Watson wrote: Hm, it seems that we're actually a surprisingly large part of the way to being DFSG-free here. There are two stumbling blocks: * There's no explicit permission to distribute as part of things that aren't emulators. This is

Re: Bug#168589: ITP: xfuse - a ZX Spectrum and TC2048 emulator

2002-11-12 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 01:54:43PM +, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hm, it seems that we're actually a surprisingly large part of the way to being DFSG-free here. There are two stumbling blocks: * There's no explicit permission to distribute as part of

Re: Bug#168589: ITP: xfuse - a ZX Spectrum and TC2048 emulator

2002-11-12 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You forgot to mention: * The lack of source. That can probably be worked around: As I said elsewhere, they can't make it available, because they no longer have it (um, I can't seem to find where I read that, so I might Sorry, I didn't realise

Re: final licence question.

2002-11-12 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 12:15:42PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: I am about to send upstream my latest advice on the licence issues i discussed here previously, and have one last question. To recapitulate, upstream is packaging a pci adsl modem driver, which use a software library to do the ADSL

Re: final licence question.

2002-11-12 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 09:32:34AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 12:15:42PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: I am about to send upstream my latest advice on the licence issues i discussed here previously, and have one last question. To recapitulate, upstream is packaging

Re: final licence question.

2002-11-12 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 04:38:40PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: If their code is GPL with an exemption, and the library they use is non-free and we can legally redistribute it, and the two pieces of code will be distributed together, this can be uploaded to non-free. Note that being able to

Re: final licence question.

2002-11-12 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 10:02:03AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 04:38:40PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: If their code is GPL with an exemption, and the library they use is non-free and we can legally redistribute it, and the two pieces of code will be distributed

Re: final licence question.

2002-11-12 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 05:06:33PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: What would be needed for the proprietary part ? A licence stating that it is ok to distribute it and link it with the GPLed driver ? Would that be enough ? Permission to redistribute both the .o files, and binary kernel

Re: final licence question.

2002-11-12 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 05:20:39PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Yes, thought so, since the GPL only applies on redistribution, not on something you do in-house. But i think it would be fine to have the exemption and the redistribution rights of the proprietary .o nonethless. If the exemption

Re: final licence question.

2002-11-12 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 10:27:27AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 05:20:39PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Yes, thought so, since the GPL only applies on redistribution, not on something you do in-house. But i think it would be fine to have the exemption and the

Re: final licence question.

2002-11-12 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 05:32:00PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 10:27:27AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 05:20:39PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Yes, thought so, since the GPL only applies on redistribution, not on something you do in-house.

Re: final licence question.

2002-11-12 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 11:16:20AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 05:32:00PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 10:27:27AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 05:20:39PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Yes, thought so, since the GPL only

Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-12 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's outrageous. UWash was going to sue the FSF for infringment of an BSD-style license when it's plainly obvious that no infringement was taking place? No, they argued that there was infringement. Oh, I remember this. The sophists at UWash

Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-12 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 11:45:25AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Unfortunately, it turns out that the UWash lawyers were right about the way these clauses are understood by the courts; it sucks, but there it is. They didn't create the distinction, they just decided to use it. So the BSD

Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-12 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 05:06:55PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 11:45:25AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Unfortunately, it turns out that the UWash lawyers were right about the way these clauses are understood by the courts; it sucks, but there it is. They

LZW patent runs out in the US at 20.12.2002?

2002-11-12 Thread Drew Scott Daniels
I saw recently that there was a problem with OpenOffice having LZW patented code in its source. I imagine this kind or similar problems have effected other packages. There has been an interesting thread on the comp.compression newsgroup that I have been watching. I've been waiting to see if more

Re: question about leaving lzw and unknown-license code in source

2002-11-12 Thread Terry Hancock
On Monday 11 November 2002 11:02 am, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Fortunately, the lzw patent expires this coming June. Is that true? That would be really nice! (Finally, I can support buggy old browsers in my web application). No sarcasm -- lots of people are still using them, and I'd like to

Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-12 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 11:45:25AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Unfortunately, it turns out that the UWash lawyers were right about the way these clauses are understood by the courts; it sucks, but there it is. They didn't create the

Re: DFSG vs Pine's legal notices: where exactly is the gotcha?

2002-11-12 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
David Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 14:45, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Oh, I remember this. The sophists at UWash claim that: Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software and its documentation for any purpose and without fee to the